RadioHeadAche
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I was really hoping for a CE. I'm hoping for a midnight release, though. Hopefully, the RE5 CE will be decent.
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KILLZONE 2 - input lag now? if you want a reskinned COD4, go play WaW
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SolidSnakex
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Why does a LE even matter? It really has nothing to do with how they'll market the game anyway.
Private Hoffman
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SolidSnakex said:
It's a cool thing to give to the fans that have been following the game since E3 2005.
It also gives off the impression that a title is of great importance. Microsoft does CE's with all of their major games (Fable 2, Gears of War, Halo, etc).
Nintendo doesn't do CE's, but they're not necessarily going after the hardcore audience. Sony, however, IS going after a rather hardcore audience with Killzone 2. By not having a CE, it almost instills a lack of confidence in the title itself, which is really quite disappointing given how great the product has apparently shaped up to be.
Unless I'm missing something here -- do CE's lose companies more money than SE's? That really doesn't make much sense to me.
RadioHeadAche
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lupinko said:
A Helghast head, like the Master Chief one for the Halo 3 LE would have been really cool.
Clinton514
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I consider it a pretty significant part of marketing. Not that this is an indication of how things will go in the coming weeks but I think peeps are right to be worried considering the mild marketing push behind some of "AAA" titles during this past holiday season.SolidSnakex said:
This is not an attack against R2, but why can't KZ2 get the same treatment...a Helghast figurine at the least?
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Deleted member 30609
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LEs are over rated, the money put into making a limited edition could be much better spent.
And hey, if they do have a making of film or something, maybe they'll release it for free rather than making the fans pay a premium.
Props to whoever it was that decided against the LE at Sony/GG.
And hey, if they do have a making of film or something, maybe they'll release it for free rather than making the fans pay a premium.
Props to whoever it was that decided against the LE at Sony/GG.
Bearillusion
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Private Hoffman said:
You really believe that?
Private Hoffman said:
This.
Releasing a CE by itself has a marketing effect.
It's possible CEs have a slimmer profit margin than SEs, but Sony, by not emulating the hardcore market leader Microsoft in its marketing tactics, is sticking their heads far too high up their asses.
Clinton514
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Free DLC...we wantsRez>You said:
Private Hoffman
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Bearillusion said:
I believe so, yes. In the minds of consumers, having a CE gives off the appearance that a title is important or worthy enough to warrant its production. Some people may go "Hmm, this game has a CE? You know what, I've never really heard of Killzone 2 before, but apparently its a pretty big title...I'm going to go check it out and maybe I'll buy it"
MvmntInGrn
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Well guess I will finally pre-order it now. Damn I was really hoping for a artbook and steelbook case CE.
Not horribly unhappy but disappointed.
So thats marketing -1.
-1 no CE/LE
-5 Demo requires pre-order, not free to everyone tll after release
-10 Likely no commercials upfront
EDIT: None of these points necessarily hurt overall sales, but they do potentially hurt launch sales.
The game will likely sell very well over time and will debut with healthy sales but it had the potential for more. It seems clear that, like always, Sony has no interest in marketing up front. They tend to wait a month or two before doing anything big and continue small advertising for extended periods.
Not horribly unhappy but disappointed.
So thats marketing -1.
-1 no CE/LE
-5 Demo requires pre-order, not free to everyone tll after release
-10 Likely no commercials upfront
EDIT: None of these points necessarily hurt overall sales, but they do potentially hurt launch sales.
The game will likely sell very well over time and will debut with healthy sales but it had the potential for more. It seems clear that, like always, Sony has no interest in marketing up front. They tend to wait a month or two before doing anything big and continue small advertising for extended periods.
Schrade
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I had a mention about you in my post that I deleted. I predicted you would come out in support of this, of course. I thought that it would stir things up again so I just deleted it in the hopes you would grow up. I'm sorry to say that your predictable post failed my hopes.Rez>You said:
iamcool388
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Rez>You said:
And you think Sony is going to put that money to good use? Yeah right. Damnit i'm pissed. Why doesnt Sony want my extra 20-30 dollars?
Chalk another one up in the list of stupid Sony decisions this gen. That list is probably over 9000 by now.
I'd put a laughing smiley at the end of that last statement, but even juvenile humor cant help in a situation so FUBAR.
Private Hoffman
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Shadow780 said:
That's not my point though...
Even if they get the regular edition, that's a sale.
The CE is a marketing tactic which gives a title a sense of presence and importance, and it also gives a title two different faces on retail shelves.
The presence of a CE may perk someone's interest if they haven't even heard about the title before. Consumers think the product is important, therefore they'll research it a bit more and see if it's for them.
There's not that affect with just a regular SE.
RadioHeadAche
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TTP said:
What does it include?
MvmntInGrn
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iamcool388 said:
I'll do it for you.
iamcool388 said:
Just re-watch the IGN videos, makes the pain go away.
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Deleted member 30609
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wait, so me stating opinion (LEs suck), is some kind of trolling? Me congratulating Sony and GG on a sensible move is uncalled for? What the fuck is your problem, did I eat one of your babies in another life?Schrade said:
LEs suck. I'd rather see the thousands of dollars invested in the LE process put toward advertising, but apparently I'm in the minority.
EDIT: fixed up some shitty grammar, added a sentence (I was posting from my iPhone before).
RadioHeadAche
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Schrade said:
I hope she was just trying to ruffle your feathers.
Probably not :|
untoldhero
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Never forget
still have this myself at home woo
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Deleted member 30609
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I understand the point of view, it's nice to give fans a pat on the back and say "thanks for supporting us", but honestly they're usually over priced, and don't have anything that is truly worth while. Although maybe I'm just bitter from some of Ubisoft LEs that just plain sucked.Iain Howe said:
CrushDance
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Wow. Sony fails again at marketing a game, when will these guys get a damn clue!?
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Deleted member 30609
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Assuming every copy gets sold, I'm sure they do. But from experience, I usually see a hell of a lot of LEs sitting on store shelves after launch, but then I live in Australia, the market isn't exactly booming here.spoon! said:Are you saying the premiums on a LE doesn't increase the margins they make on a game?
And for the record, I didn't post anything inflammatory. How did this turn into an everybody attack me situation!? Jesus.
SolidSnakex
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CrushDance said:
They actually got a 2.5D platformer to sell in a generation where the platforming genre is essentially dead outside of Mario. So they're a bit better than people give them credit for.
RadioHeadAche
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untoldhero said:
Never forgetstill have this myself at home woo
Very cool. I'm assuming the US didn't get that, right?
Private Hoffman
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SolidSnakex said:
This speaks more to the brilliance of Media Molecule's LittleBigPlanet than it does to Sony's Marketing department...
Alias03
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Rez>You said:
I can see where your coming from in a certain way, but you almost have to expect the replies you receive if you continuously kick somebody when their down. Now what I thought you said wasn't all that harmful but it seems to me through out this thread you've been less than stellar when it comes to making your point in a positive or non confrontational way. It's obvious that many people were expecting/excited for a possible LE and if you come in saying in a round about way your glad its not coming. People are bound to get sensitive.
MvmntInGrn
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RadioHeadAche said:
I don't believe the US got it.
You, and I'm sure most consumers may not think that a CE is worth it in terms of monetary value, but I think it's undeniable that CE's are a good marketing tactic in themselves. They make a game stand out as a AAA title and seem more important to your average consumer, and, as PrivateHoffman said, increase the game's shelf presence, which can never hurt.Rez>You said:
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