Yeah, more populated worlds is what I'm hoping for with KH3.
All of the worlds are desolate, it's quite grating with the happy Disney characters and then running around in a barren ghost town.
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Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 ReMIX coming to NA and Europe this Fall
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Yeah, more populated worlds is what I'm hoping for with KH3.
All of the worlds are desolate, it's quite grating with the happy Disney characters and then running around in a barren ghost town.
Sadly, you're right.
Kingdom Hearts 3 should have cities packed full of characters moving around and going about their day. Unfortunately, Square and HD towns usually don't mix.
I don't think it is. I think it was Disney's decision.
I didn't really think about this until after finishing three Kingdom Hearts games, but, the worlds are all completely empty.
Why is there no one at the Coliseum? Why is there no one in Mulan's China?
Maybe they could explain away that all people have been turned into heartless and nobodies, but then at least at the end in the credits show people coming back to life in their respective home worlds.
I feel like Sora should land in Ancient Greece and see everyone being terrorized by Hades and his heartless army and immediately start tearing shit up and saving people....instead of it always feeling like these KH worlds are empty backdrops with no one really living inside them. Even Radiant Garden didn't feel like a town because NO ONE IS OUT ON THE DAMN STREET even though in some areas there are no heartless or nobodies.
They really need to fix that shit in KH3 and they have no excuse because of the power at their disposal to render town citizens and stuff.
Coliseum was so awkward hearing people cheer in the cutscenes when the stands are completely empty...
Why is there no one at the Coliseum? Why is there no one in Mulan's China?
Maybe they could explain away that all people have been turned into heartless and nobodies, but then at least at the end in the credits show people coming back to life in their respective home worlds.
I feel like Sora should land in Ancient Greece and see everyone being terrorized by Hades and his heartless army and immediately start tearing shit up and saving people....instead of it always feeling like these KH worlds are empty backdrops with no one really living inside them. Even Radiant Garden didn't feel like a town because NO ONE IS OUT ON THE DAMN STREET even though in some areas there are no heartless or nobodies.
They really need to fix that shit in KH3 and they have no excuse because of the power at their disposal to render town citizens and stuff.
Coliseum was so awkward hearing people cheer in the cutscenes when the stands are completely empty...
Andrefpvs
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Are you talking about Dearly Beloved?
Perfect Cha0s
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Hopefully that is something that gets addressed since KH3 will be on PS3 or PS4, but in my darkest nightmares, I hear Nomura saying something like "we were going to populate them since we had the means to do so, but it seemed like a staple of the series to leave the worlds empty, so we left them like that." It was especially strange in KH3D on worlds like Prankster's Paradise (I think that's the name..) and Traverse Town; they were massive worlds made to allow you to play around with FlowMotion, but they felt completely empty because you were the only one there, until you found some enemies.
Ideally, NPCs would be present, and maybe even moving around, and then they fade out when enemies spawn.
KH areas have generally been structured as action RPG levels. Even though there should be people there's no one there because they want you to fight things instead.
In KH3 they really need big towns then have "dangerous" areas branch off from them. However, one problem to that is, if you look at Notre Dame for example, you can fight in the whole town, even around (and inside) the Cathedral and such and that makes for interesting setpieces than just the graveyard or the tombs in that world where having only enemies and no NPCs works out better. So the balance between having interesting setpieces and where to fight needs to be worked out but I don't know how.
Areas like the coliseum definitely need people though. The thing that's funny is that you can hear people but still jump on the stands and fight there lol.
In KH3 they really need big towns then have "dangerous" areas branch off from them. However, one problem to that is, if you look at Notre Dame for example, you can fight in the whole town, even around (and inside) the Cathedral and such and that makes for interesting setpieces than just the graveyard or the tombs in that world where having only enemies and no NPCs works out better. So the balance between having interesting setpieces and where to fight needs to be worked out but I don't know how.
Areas like the coliseum definitely need people though. The thing that's funny is that you can hear people but still jump on the stands and fight there lol.
no, I am talking about the music that was used in some of the title screen openings, like
KH 3D op
maybe this is not a theme song.
edit: actually, I just realized this is alternate Hikari without lyrics....lol
Napalm_Frank
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They will 99% likely release 1.5+2.5 soundtrack that includes the remastered music but I really doubt they bundle it with the games.
Thats Hikari Orchestra. Heres Passion Orchestra from KH2.
They are basically instrumental versions of Simple&Clean/Hikari and Sanctuary/Passion
Hikari
Yea for some reason all these years I didn't realized that it was Hikari orchestra version.
Honestly, if ps2 wasn't able to populate those areas, then there was no reason to expect the 3DS to able to do so. If Kh comes to Ps3/ps4/360/Wii u or Vita then maybe we can expect a change.
This became obvious in BBS when Zack takes a seat at the coliseum.....and hes the only spectator lol
This is a terrible excuse because I'm sure it was unintentional, but the emptiness of the worlds make sense in the context of the story. KH is heavily emo about Nothings and Heartless and stuff and the worlds have this weird dreamlike vibe because they're so static. It's kind of like Disneyworld in that it's designed to look lively but it's really hollow. Again, I feel like it's unintentional though.
For that reason I don't want full on towns day/night cycles and whatnot (unless it was done in a Majora's Mask unsettling sorta way) but the worlds do need expanding. In KH1 specifically the worlds were just collections of tiny decorated rooms.
I'm not trying to justify it. I'm just pointing something out and breaking people's nostalgia memories and such.
1.75 remake for PS4.
Napalm_Frank
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KH2 has much more NPCs than DDD or BBS for example. You really see that when going from BBS->KH2 for example. Twilight Town is full of people, Radiant Garden has people, Mulans China has imperial soldiers ect. It certainly was technical issue for BBS for example. I think KH3 will be better in this regard.
The worst is Princes ball in BBS. He has 4 guests :lol.
The worst is Princes ball in BBS. He has 4 guests :lol.
Napalm_Frank
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I think it has lot to do with the technical problems too. AFAIK PS2 tech doesn't scale easily for PS3 (or XBOX). If they were built from ground up with same assets they could totally run 1080p 60fps but that would be insane amount of work.
I wouldn't be surprised if Birth By Sleep is 1080p 60fps tho if they don't go overboard with texture work.
badcrumble
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I promise to have a whole list of complaints, but most of them will be complaints with the original games (which I love, except for 358/2 Days because it is terrible).
When I finish any game, though, I tend to make a bunch of notes on how I think the game design could've been improved.
To be honest, I agree with you.
The worlds biggest flaw are how empty they are. There are not many worlds that I enjoyed. Being younger, the idea of going through Disney worlds is exciting, but it's quite hollow in retrospect. It was always weird being in Agrabah or somewhere else with little to no people. I'd just like to see more original worlds with a bit more life. It's all in the detail so I hope with KH3, there is more effort in presenting the worlds that they feel like they're alive.
Traverse Town I loved because of the aesthetic.
Edit:
Oh, and the Kingdom Hearts main theme I was referring to is Dearly Beloved.
RPGCrazied
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Are you playing 1080p? Maybe it'll be 60 for 720p.
Not to mention, PS2 actually had higher memory bandwidth than PS3 does.
SolidSnakex
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How's the image quality? There was a report earlier that it has 4xMSAA. So it should look really clean. Which would be a really good thing for the artstyle.
WrenchNinja
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Reading this thread made me want to play Kingdom Hearts on the PS2.
I go and lug out my old PS2 and Kingdom Hearts case and lo and behold...THE DISC IS MISSING!
I'm so pissed right now. Now I need this collection more than ever.
I go and lug out my old PS2 and Kingdom Hearts case and lo and behold...THE DISC IS MISSING!
I'm so pissed right now. Now I need this collection more than ever.
Napalm_Frank
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I do wonder how much they are willing to do when remastering BBS. Otherwise its fine but some textures will be TERRIBLE in HD. They need to redo the main character models at least, I'm not sure if they already were in DDD.
Yeah it does. IQ is super clean and looks great.
They should also redub all of Terra's and Aqua's lines.
Terra sure but Aqua's voice grew on me. It's very distinct.
TAV models were in DDD. Same with MX and Vanitas.
R10Neymarfan
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If it was a PS4 exclusive then you get your wish. Although they are looking at PS3 and all 256mb of slow XDR ram.
Viola of the Abyss
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I agree with kayos, Aqua's voice was a little odd, I didn't like it much :/
Too bad as she's my favorite character from the whole series together with Xion.
A voice change now though would feel weird, I may dislike it but I'm used to it now.
Too bad as she's my favorite character from the whole series together with Xion.
A voice change now though would feel weird, I may dislike it but I'm used to it now.
Napalm_Frank
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I mean if they upgraded them for DDD. BBS had pretty rough textures on their clothes on closeups.
Terra was pretty mediocre but he killed it on the most important scenes when he is angry. Listen to this beast roar
SniperHunter
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nice! how is the frame rate?
WrenchNinja
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Still cant believe it's Logan Echolls.Terra was pretty mediocre but he killed it on the most important scenes when he is angry. Listen to this beast roar
peronmls
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What? It looks amazing playing on emulator at it original resolution. I don't know why you think that and god of war origins looked very nice.
Napalm_Frank
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Sora is Everyone if old
Soooo apparently KH 2.5 HD Remix is mentioned in this Famitsu interview with the sound team....
http://www.famitsu.com/news/201303/18029994.html
Thanks to KHInsider
http://khinsider.com/news/KINGDOM-HEARTS-HD-1-5-ReMIX-Sound-Team-Interview-3249
Doesn't that basically confirm that it's happening?
Terrible Google Translate:
Soooo apparently KH 2.5 HD Remix is mentioned in this Famitsu interview with the sound team....
http://www.famitsu.com/news/201303/18029994.html
Thanks to KHInsider
http://khinsider.com/news/KINGDOM-HEARTS-HD-1-5-ReMIX-Sound-Team-Interview-3249
Doesn't that basically confirm that it's happening?
Terrible Google Translate:
Seems to be Shimomura talking about the music going by auto-translate.
Napalm_Frank
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Well to be fair Nomura pretty much ''confirmed'' it a while back by saying it would be weird not to do a HD version of KH2.
It was weird of them to make a Birth By Sleep and KH2 Final Mix when they said the only reason they made one for KH1 was because Americans got exclusive content....then it was even weirder for them to go through the trouble of localizing Re:CoM for North America, but not KH2FM which would have been less work for them to localize. It's weird that BBS is not on the PSN for digital download.
I don't know. They do weird stuff all the time, in my opinion.
Like, Square Enix is SO odd, I wouldn't be surprised (though I would be devastated) if they made BBS into a movie like 358/2 and put it in 2.5 so that everyone could play a version of Coded instead. Lol.
I'm glad to basically see that it exists and it will probably come to NA.
If only there was a Persona HD collection for PS3 then I wouldn't really need my PS2 that much anymore
Napalm_Frank
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It was weird of them to make a Birth By Sleep and KH2 Final Mix when they said the only reason they made one for KH1 was because Americans got exclusive content....then it was even weirder for them to go through the trouble of localizing Re:CoM for North America, but not KH2FM which would have been less work for them to localize. It's weird that BBS is not on the PSN for digital download.
I don't know. They do weird stuff all the time, in my opinion.
I'm glad to basically see that it exists and it will probably come to NA.
If only there was a Persona HD collection for PS3 then I wouldn't really need my PS2 that much anymore
Well Americans did get exclusive content in BBS
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Zoe
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It says "if KH -HD 2.5 Remix were to come out." The team uses the same wording in their response.
Napalm_Frank
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Zoe
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Of course. But that interview is hardly a confirmation.