Anticitizen One
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yes but I think we all want FF7 remake
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Kitase: Would people REALLY want a FF6 remake with turn-based battles?
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Green Mamba
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They tried what? A low budget Final Fantasy spinoff released with absolutely no fanfare? If there really is no future for turn based games on consoles, why are they bothering to release FFXHD? That will be a better barometer for whether or not menu based games can remain in Final Fantasy.
And ultimately, yes, I will be stubborn and whine. I won't support shit like this. The fact that Kitase actually asked this is very bothersome.
For home consoles?
EDIT: You can really tell who actually read the interview and those who just read the topic title.
They're doing FFX HD because the budget for making it is nowhere near as much as a new turn based FF game.
But you're right, that will be interesting to see how it sells. Good point.
PseudoKirby
Banned
I don't want a next-gen remake of FFVI. I want a next-gen Final Fantasy that borrows from everything that made FFVI great.
- Large, decently developed cast
- Fast turn-based combat
- Unique character skills AND customization
- An engaging story that doesn't focus around just one character
- A villain worth killing
- Other things I can't think of right now...
shakin_haitian
Banned
Going away from turn based battles is one of the major reasons why I hate Square now. That and their retarded ass "magic" systems they have going on.
Zoe
Member
Not in HD as a mainline release.
The Jason
Member
I agree they have to modernize the turn-based system, but the strategic turn-based style of combat is what JRPG fans want.
Also they will never appeal to mainstream western gamers with effeminate character designs and over the top anime style action.
the fear is overwhelming me
What's wrong with FFV on iOS?
thesolidshark
Member
Bolded needs to be overstated.
Would I buy FFVI if it were made for a current gen console, ala PS3/360/PS4? Hell yes, and I would buy a $150 Collector's Edition of it too.
And just because they keep it turn based doesn't mean it has to be exactly as it was, either. They can retain the same basic ideas behind VI's combat (Esper summons, equipping espers to learn magic, each character's personal special attack types, etc.), but tweak it/speed it up/improve it.
Shit, I'd go all in on pre-orders for CE editions of current gen / PS4 remakes of VI, VII and IX without the slightest hesitation, at whatever silly CE price they charged.
If it were remade on a handheld? Would probably never bother.
And just because they keep it turn based doesn't mean it has to be exactly as it was, either. They can retain the same basic ideas behind VI's combat (Esper summons, equipping espers to learn magic, each character's personal special attack types, etc.), but tweak it/speed it up/improve it.
Shit, I'd go all in on pre-orders for CE editions of current gen / PS4 remakes of VI, VII and IX without the slightest hesitation, at whatever silly CE price they charged.
If it were remade on a handheld? Would probably never bother.
disappeared
Banned
FFVI on either present or new-gen consoles would look ridiculous, assuming they kept the overall atmosphere intact. And of course they'd need Uematsu to approve the soundtrack.
So yes, absolutely.
So yes, absolutely.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
This is the kind of question that makes me afraid of a FF VII remake. I want the exact same battle/materia system. Don't change a fucking thing.
CharminUltra
Member
I would LOVE to see a new, remixed version of FFVI to be honest. I played the original right after playing Chrono Trigger and it just felt insipid and long-winded in comparison. They could maybe fix the pacing during the second half to make it feel more coherent and less like a chore.
The music was great, though. A remixed OST would be amazing.
The music was great, though. A remixed OST would be amazing.
Zoe
Member
Actually the question is whether it's turn based. FFIV was just an example. He could be talking about any generic turn based game.
Does a turn based system still work on a next-gen, HD, AAA game?
SatelliteOfLove
Member
How's about getting current-gen-from-last-gen games out the door first?
Honest snark out of the way, turn-based RPG combat can't be out-dated due to how "modularized" action combat has gotten this generation IMO. It fits right in, both in tone and with the PR aims of his choice of words...
Honest snark out of the way, turn-based RPG combat can't be out-dated due to how "modularized" action combat has gotten this generation IMO. It fits right in, both in tone and with the PR aims of his choice of words...
graywolf323
Member
says a lot about the current state of Square-Enix that they even ask this...
Sprite for characters were way better on original to say the least.
I would love a good 2D remake of FF5 & FF6 with the same quality FF4 PSP had.
If not for that I'd rather play the original.
His somewhat black-and-white and dismissive view on the matter is kind of unfortunate.
Lots of great, exciting turn/command-based RPGs out there, and I'm sure there's plenty of room for more. I feel there's bigger issues and potential obstacles with the series than the combat.
Lots of great, exciting turn/command-based RPGs out there, and I'm sure there's plenty of room for more. I feel there's bigger issues and potential obstacles with the series than the combat.
The Spoony Hou
Member
Never played it, but from that one screen I can say it looks like shit.
MoogleWizard
Member
Is this a serious question? A lot of fans would love this. A real remake on an actual console, NOT that iOS trash. Announce it and I'll be dancing mad.
Basileus777
Member
The battle system would have to be changed or tweaked heavily. It's the one area FF6 has aged extremely poorly, the combat is snooze inducingly boring and mindlessly easy. The problem isn't it being turn based though, you can make interesting turn based battle systems.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
Who said we wanted a modern HD remake? How about just a 3DS remake like FFIII/IV?
SirCrush
Member
Well played lol
I personally would LOVE to see what they come up with. Over the course of 9 or 10 iterations, they were able to take a rather bland concept and evolve it into something engaging and that worked well in conjunction with several OTHER ingenious systems involved in those respective games. I think it'd be MORE important to have some unique and deep systems like that to support a classic ATB infrastructure for battles.
That being said, I don't think the current stock of gamers would receive it well from a sales standpoint. Sure, all of us old school Final Fantasy fans would LOVE to play these games but even the sales for the mobile and digital versions of these games don't sell particularly well. This might have SOMETHING to do with emulation, but I doubt it. I think this is because the younger or newly assimilated gamers don't enjoy this type of game. It always was the geekier crowd who loved Final Fantasy for most of its iterations.
Acrylic7
Member
Trying to improve on something that's perfect!!!!
yeah no.
Stop trying to "breath new life" into things that need to be left alone. Last time someone tried that we got Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus.
Finish a game sometime this year, like 13Vs... oops I meant ff14... oops I meant ff15.
and learn to count.
I can never fathom how Square fans begs for ff7 and 6 remakes. Why?
What the game was famous for would be thrown out of the window. How are you supposed to show 1997 breakthrough console graphics, innovative design, and superb advancement in Role playing games through current gen standards?
Younger gamers, or anyone who has never played the original would easily say "I dont get why this game is praised".
yeah no.
Stop trying to "breath new life" into things that need to be left alone. Last time someone tried that we got Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus.
Finish a game sometime this year, like 13Vs... oops I meant ff14... oops I meant ff15.
and learn to count.
I can never fathom how Square fans begs for ff7 and 6 remakes. Why?
What the game was famous for would be thrown out of the window. How are you supposed to show 1997 breakthrough console graphics, innovative design, and superb advancement in Role playing games through current gen standards?
Younger gamers, or anyone who has never played the original would easily say "I dont get why this game is praised".
SMT
this show is not Breaking Bad why is it not Breaking Bad? it should be Breaking Bad dammit Breaking Bad
Kitase: People really want a Final Fantasy 7 Remake?
Fans: Yes!! We've been crying for years.
Kitase: Well, don't dry your tears, fuck you!
Kitase: Do people really want a FFVI remake with (traditional) turn-based combat?
Fans: Yes, please, remake FFVI!
SMT: FUCK YES, I'm too lazy to play real-time hip rpgs nowadays! AM CRY
Kitase: What were we talking about? Oh yes, FUCK YOU!
Fans: Yes!! We've been crying for years.
Kitase: Well, don't dry your tears, fuck you!
Kitase: Do people really want a FFVI remake with (traditional) turn-based combat?
Fans: Yes, please, remake FFVI!
SMT: FUCK YES, I'm too lazy to play real-time hip rpgs nowadays! AM CRY
Kitase: What were we talking about? Oh yes, FUCK YOU!
Basileus777
Member
If you think FF6's combat is perfect, you have low standards or are being blinded by nostalgia.
Christ what a horrible "question". I WANT turn based games. I'm loving Persona 4 (my first Persona) partially because it is turn based (or you can make it be). Sure it isn't ATB but it's still turn based.
If they took FF7 (I'll use that instead of 6 as it's my favorite) and removed the turn based gameplay I would be extremely upset. For me it's part of the appeal. I don't get why RPG developers thinks gamers don't want turn based games anymore. I guess maybe the masses don't, which makes me sad.
That said, FF15 looks amazing.
If they took FF7 (I'll use that instead of 6 as it's my favorite) and removed the turn based gameplay I would be extremely upset. For me it's part of the appeal. I don't get why RPG developers thinks gamers don't want turn based games anymore. I guess maybe the masses don't, which makes me sad.
That said, FF15 looks amazing.
YES to the maximum extent of possible yesness.
I like the direction FFXV is going just from watching the video, but I really dont want all FF offline games to go that way, or watered down menu based combat like XIII.
SMT
this show is not Breaking Bad why is it not Breaking Bad? it should be Breaking Bad dammit Breaking Bad
They should have an option for turned based, and something like FFXII or Crisis Core.
Some days, I just want to do all the work in my mind, and press a button afterwards.
Screw fast thinking!
I would love this! No, it's more than that. A Final Fantasy 6 remake WITHOUT ATB battlesystem is a NO-BUY, simple as that.
I wouldn't mind if they used the Grandia 1 (PSX) battle system, though.
That's really the only other RPG battle system that I would be ok with, IF they really had to get rid of the ATB system.
Anthing else is UNEXPECTABLE.
I wouldn't mind if they used the Grandia 1 (PSX) battle system, though.
That's really the only other RPG battle system that I would be ok with, IF they really had to get rid of the ATB system.
Anthing else is UNEXPECTABLE.
Acrylic7
Member
played it a year ago :/
its not nostalgia and doesn't have low standards. Its a game from the early 90's man.
Magicpaint
Member
I wouldn't want a remake on any system if it isn't turn based.
Bravely Default: Flying Fairy.
I want more, yes
God yes remake it for the 3DS or vita just upgraded graphics still turn based.
It isn't, but I'd like to see both remade anyway.
And yes with turn-based battles. I wouldn't rend garments if they were action RPGS but... I like and miss proper turn-based strategy.
robertsan21
Member
If they do this, then do it right! Aim for ps4type graphics, updated battle system that is like ff XII or like the new FF XV
No, please...no to the battle system change.
lightchris
Member
I certainly would like a new, original Final Fantasy with turn based battles better (what have they done with FF15? 
).
Still, a full 3D remake/reinterpretation of FF6 would also be welcome. If it doesn't come out right I can still play the original, no harm done.
). Still, a full 3D remake/reinterpretation of FF6 would also be welcome. If it doesn't come out right I can still play the original, no harm done.
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
No, As much as I love FFVI I can't stand it being treated like dirt (FFV IOS)
Chuck Norris
Banned
It's a good question, I don't think they could get away with random turn based battles on a console
Elaugaufein
Member
Want to know what they mean by "next-gen" game. I've seen too many terrible attempts to improve turn based games by adding overly obnoxious real time elements. But assuming he doesn't mean that I'm going to have to Learn to Combo or Dodge in real time to play the game then my answer is Hell Yes.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
It really is time. I think FFVI deserves a modern game that helps new generations to experience this amazing story. It's been nearly 20 years... I bet a lot of self-described old school FF fans were too young for it!