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[jrcbandit]

Super boxes like hinted at here would die on the market as they'd have to be $400-$500. This just confirms the suspicion that next gen will see subscription fees/subsidized boxes.

Agreed, the more I hear about how powerful the 720/PS4 will be, it sounds like a given that the traditional pricing model wont be used for them. Sony can't afford to sell a $600-1000 console for $300-400 anymore. How much were they losing with the PS3 being initially sold at $599?

Also, with Kinect 2.0 with improved sensor chip + powerful GPU/CPU, Microsoft wont be pricing the console at $300 without some sort of Xbox Live subsidy.

 

[gofreak]

I just assume it's a lot harder for western publishers to know what's going on with a japanese company because of the bubble japanese companies work in. But didn't we have rumours of a dev kit schedule for the PS4. If those were accurate it would seem like everything seems to be on track for the most part.

Well, I'm just going by rumours, but first rumours of PS4 came a couple of months after 720 rumours. Then there's talk about how each of their chipsets arrived in certain middleware release notes a few months apart.

If two companies come to you and say 'we want to release for holiday 2013', and one brings you hardware and tools earlier, and gives you detailed plans, and one brings you hardware and tools a few months later, with less detailed plans about releases in your main territories...it's easy to see how you might consider one to be more on the ball than the other.

The bit about relative detail of release plans is just my guess...but would be completely unsurprising to me if Sony is (as usual) planning a Japanese launch first, and then sort of hand-waving about re. western launches, depending on manufacturing etc.

 

[Beerman462]

According to this article.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/24/xbox360_component_breakdown/
The CPU for the 360 was $102 and GPU was $141 in 2005. The total BOM was $126 more than the retail price. I wonder if they are going risk that much loss this time.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Well, I'm just going by rumours, but first rumours of PS4 came a couple of months after 720 rumours. Then there's talk about how each of their chipsets arrived in certain middleware release notes a few months apart.

If two companies come to you and say 'we want to release for holiday 2013', and one brings you hardware and tools earlier, and gives you detailed plans, and one brings you hardware and tools a few months later, with less detailed plans about releases in your main territories...it's easy to see how you might consider one to be more on the ball than the other.

The bit about relative detail of release plans is just my guess...but would be completely unsurprising to me if Sony is (as usual) planning a Japanese launch first, and then sort of hand-waving about re. western launches, depending on manufacturing etc.

I see what you're saying.

Either way I see this for Sony. NA and Japan in 2013, Europe gets the 2014 shaft because Sony figures they already have them. I don't think this is so unreasonable. MS on the other hand will probably launch in all territories in 2013.

 

[abadguy]

Sounds good to me.

Yup. Bring on the next gen!

 

[QP3]

Sounds good to me. Xbox 720 sounds like it will be out just in time for me to xmas it to myself. It will be my first xmas out of college and making "real" money...cant wait!

 

[krypt0nian]

SOOO HYPED for nextgen to finally get here. These consoles are long in the tooth.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

Please either

1)Microsoft allows online play for free (LOL)
2)Let Orbis be able to run 3rd party games decently.

Don't ruin next gen for me MS and Sony! Nintendo already did ;_;.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Isn't this outdated? Also, as a chip, the prices classified under GPU and Thermal should be considered (if GDDR5 isn't being used) to calculate the sum total.

It is yes, but I thought it would be a good guide. If it costs only $120 for the GPU part of a $500 retail graphics card, why not the same or less for today's 7970?

Not that I think for a second that such GPUs will be in next gen (I wish!) The cost to Sony/MS could be a lot lower than we think *for just the GPU chip alone* is my point.

 

[mrklaw]

Super boxes like hinted at here would die on the market as they'd have to be $400-$500. This just confirms the suspicion that next gen will see subscription fees/subsidized boxes.

So? The bloody wiiU is $350 for the deluxe, would you really begrudge paying $50 more for the kind of machine being rumoured?


IMO the core gamers have pent up demand and even if the new machines are expensive they'll break records at launch.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Please either

1)Microsoft allows online play for free (LOL)
2)Let Orbis be able to run 3rd party games decently.

Don't ruin next gen for me MS and Sony! Nintendo already did ;_;.

well if the hardware rumours are true, number 2 is probably something that won't be as much of an issue next-gen between ps4/720. WiiU on the other hand...

 

[BobLoblaw]

Give me 1080P/60 FPS or give me death.

Spoiler

I want to live.

 

[Corto]

So the second most powerful PC today is 8x more powerful than Xbox 360? Crazy metrics there. How many calories is that? These kind of comparisons are so ambiguous that become meaningless.

 

[DopeyFish]

According to this article.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/24/xbox360_component_breakdown/
The CPU for the 360 was $102 and GPU was $141 in 2005. The total BOM was $126 more than the retail price. I wonder if they are going risk that much loss this time.

Xbox 360 had some terrible yields out of the gate

I'm sure they'll be a LOT better off this time around

 

[EloquentM]

I hate myself for saying this but I'm seriously thinking about considering a "720" over "ps4" although I may eventually get both.

 

[quest]

According to this article.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/24/xbox360_component_breakdown/
The CPU for the 360 was $102 and GPU was $141 in 2005. The total BOM was $126 more than the retail price. I wonder if they are going risk that much loss this time.

Not a chance in hell they will eat that kind of loss this time around. I would bet they sell it at BOM and then sell 2 games to break even after advertising and R&D. Nothing any of the Big 3 have done in the last few years suggest eating a ton of money upfront any more. These are companies selling 7 year old consoles at 250 dollars!

 

[kodt]

I'm ready for a 720. Can't get motivated for this gen anymore. I kind of wish Dark Souls 2, MGS V and even GTA V, were next gen launch games.

Give me 1080P/60 FPS or give me death.

Spoiler

I want to live.

We will get the same as this gen. Some 60fps some 30fps, some 30 fps with drops to 15.

Everything will look nicer though.

 

[Always-honest]

For a dedicated gaming machine that sounds pretty nice actually.

 

[dwu8991]

PS4 Better come with PS Plus with PS4 games free at launch !!!

I'll be happy to go on board at launch if that were to happen.

 

[Beerman462]

It is yes, but I thought it would be a good guide. If it costs only $120 for the GPU part of a $500 retail graphics card, why not the same or less for today's 7970?

Not that I think for a second that such GPUs will be in next gen (I wish!) The cost to Sony/MS could be a lot lower than we think *for just the GPU chip alone* is my point.

On your chart the 6970 was $85 followed by the 6950@$70 and the 6870@$50. I could easily see the 79/78 series being similarly priced now and used in 720. The rumors of an AMD APU with a semi SLI function with AMD cards was very interesting as well.

 

[quest]

So the second most powerful PC today is 8x more powerful than Xbox 360? Crazy metrics there. How many calories is that? These kind of comparisons are so ambiguous that become meaningless.

I think they meant second to high end class PC GPU which would be 660/7800 series level. Which makes a lot more sense. It would still be much better than the current generation when rendering at 1080p. People forget these high end PC GPUs are for people with 1440p or triple monitor set ups.

 

[soundahfekz]

Sony shouldn't aim to be the ultimate powerhouse this gen, keep it within range of having ports and stay afloat, there's enough wizardry with their 1st party to keep up and remain profitable without having the definitive system in specs. Even 4-6gb of ram and most of rumored apu specs would suffice.

I've owned all playstations, but I think microsoft will beast out with those deep pockets this gen. It's gonna be interesting to see what happens. Either way , I'll be getting both.

 

[i-Lo]

Didn't the 'old' specs he's talking about that was backed by ign consist of amd 6670? Is he using the same metric to create that '8x' multiple? If so then he surely can't mean the same specs rival the so called second most powerful PC available at retail today...

 

[Plinko]

All I know is that if it:

A) Makes you be always online

or

B) Restricts used games

I won't own it. I'm not supporting companies who encourage anti-consumer activities.

 

[2MF]

TDP people... Look it up.

 

[Sid]

Sony shouldn't aim to be the ultimate powerhouse this gen, keep it within range of having ports and stay afloat, there's enough wizardry with their 1st party to keep up and remain profitable without having the definite system in specs. Even 4-6gb of ram and most of rumored apu specs would suffice.

I've owned all playstations, but I think microsoft will beast out with those deep pockets this gen. It's gonna be interesting to see what happens. Either way , I'll be getting both.

Going by most rumors including this one they'll be pretty close in power just like this gen.

 

[nelsonroyale]

That is an atrocious piece of reporting

 

[phosphor112]

Lmao, bahahaha. Oh wow.... yeah. This was a pointless rumor. Wtf are they even saying? 2nd most powerful PC on the market? LOL WUT DOES THAT MEAN!?

 

[Corto]

I hate myself for saying this but I'm seriously thinking about considering a "720" over "ps4" although I may eventually get both.

There's nothing at the moment substantial enough to support choosing either console over the competitor. Only the services continuity (ie. XBox Live/PSN, Trophies/Achievements, social), off the record "impressions" and apples vs. oranges metrics.

 

[verbum]

Uh oh. I love my PS3 and its exclusives are some of the best looking console games on the market, but it's no secret that I get pretty much all multiplats on the 360. If Durango is more powerful at a base level than Orbis then Sony is in REAL trouble.

Not necessarily. Depends on the content and features. If Sony could get their multiplayer network with all the same features as Live and at a cheaper price....or free....they could hang around.

 

[DragonSworne]

Lmao, bahahaha. Oh wow.... yeah. This was a pointless rumor. Wtf are they even saying? 2nd most powerful PC on the market? LOL WUT DOES THAT MEAN!?

It will be as powerful as Dell's second most powerful PC

 

[ponpo]

Some joke post talking about the power being used to run new HD dashboard ads that you are paying for.

Spoiler

Joke post that is actually serious lol @ buying next MS console

 

[Snowden's Secret]

So? The bloody wiiU is $350 for the deluxe, would you really begrudge paying $50 more for the kind of machine being rumoured?


IMO the core gamers have pent up demand and even if the new machines are expensive they'll break records at launch.

I'm betting Wii U dies on the vine at $350 as well, so I wouldn't use that as a counter point.

 

[Grief.exe]

Just like PC gamers will do when specs are announced xD

Don't worry, we will laugh no matter what gets announced.

Then cry when we realize its another decade of being held back.

That is an atrocious piece of reporting

Welcome to Kotaku. We really shouldn't be giving them page views.

If you feel like you really have to post an article from them, use pastebin or just quote the whole thing in the OP.

 

[Plinko]

Watch IGN go out and put together a cost-analysis of the "2nd most powerful PC" and say that this is what the system will be.

 

[test_account]

How is it that Sony, a hardware company is getting beat to the punch by Microsoft a software company getting hardware to market. I guess it is all money but this shows you how incompetent Sony is.

100-1 that MS's system is straightforward and Sony's has some over-engineered technological brainchild of Kutaragi and Jeff Rigby that is holding this up. This over-engineered component will end up providing no benefit vs what they lose by delaying launch.

After the PS3 being so expencive to produce at launch, i'd say it is more the other direction, that they will no go with some really exotic/special designed hardware for the PS4. The Vita also seems to be a change in this direction, using off-the-shelf parts.

 

[KingKong]

I don't understand how it could be as powerful as the second best PC and still be reasonably priced.

The retail price is ~300 just for a graphics card, even with however much they pay Nvidia directly, considering all the other components, kinect 2.0, r&d cost, retail cuts, etc etc etc, how could they sell it for less than $500?

 

[phosphor112]

It will be as powerful as Dell's second most powerful PC

Dell owns XPS... lol.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

Not necessarily. Depends on the content and features. If Sony could get their multiplayer network with all the same features as Live and at a cheaper price....or free....they could hang around.

I think Sony can manage fine with 2014 release, survive with weaker (not too much) hardware but if online is not free they will lose a lot of customers to MS and PC. Unless it's part of PS+ with online gaming for free. I also think live gold is the single biggest reason keeping potential customers away from Xbox, way more so than Sony or Nintendo exclusives.

 

[Majanew]

Didn't the 'old' specs he's talking about that was backed by ign consist of amd 6670? Is he using the same metric to create that '8x' multiple? If so then he surely can't mean the same specs rival the so called second most powerful PC available at retail today...

That was the old reporting, which was mentioned in the OP, and followed by them hearing it's as graphically capable as the 2nd most powerful PC on market right now. Don't worry, Debbie, the Durango will make you squeal with glee when you see the games running on it.

 

[abadguy]

Can't wait to see what 343i, Turn 10,

Spoiler

Rare

, Santa Monica, and Naughty Dog will do graphically with all the extra power. Gonna be some mind blowing shit!

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

That was the old reporting, which was mentioned in the OP, and followed by them hearing it's as graphically capable as the 2nd most powerful PC on market right now. Don't worry, Debbie, the Durango will make you squeal with glee when you see the games running on it.

You know this for a fact? Please say yes.

 

[flippedb]

I think next-gen consoles should have 10 cpus with 10 cores and 10 threads each. Also 32 TB of RAM and a grill on top, so I can cook while I play.

The meltdowns here will be amazing.

 

[Newton Crosby]

What I would like to see is:

6-8 core CPU, 12-16 threads don't care about PPC or x86 (I would bet on IBM ahead of AMD though if I had to choose)
160ALUs on the CPU
Dedicated audio/video decoding hardware with compatibility for the latest codecs (HEVC)
GTX670 equivalent dedicated graphics power
80GB SSD
802.11ac
BDXL 100GB triple layer discs
8x read speed with acoustic silencing
4G radio for future proofing

I think that can be done for $399 with a small loss up front, maybe $50.

Not even close.

 

[RaijinFY]

According to this article.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/24/xbox360_component_breakdown/
The CPU for the 360 was $102 and GPU was $141 in 2005. The total BOM was $126 more than the retail price. I wonder if they are going risk that much loss this time.

One thing is sure, if they go with Jaguar cores, CPU is going to be much less expensive compared to XCPU at that time.

 

[Xater]

Good to hear that the power will be very close. I want there to be by little difference in terms of power. It'll make things a lot easier for devs.

I'm willing to bet that the lack of confidence in Sony is due to the fact that their specs, mainly RAM, still seem to be in flux while MS has probably had them nailed down for a while now. I also don't think as many devs have PS4 kits as Durango kits.

I'd add to add the development environment. From what I understand the tools of Microsoft have always been easier to use. It being a DirectX environment probably helps as well. Makes it very easy to develop between PC and Xbox.

 

[FunkyMunkey]

People hoping the next consoles will be able to max out Crysis 3 are overshooting. They won't meet the same level of res, AA, textures, or overall fidelity of the game maxed out on a strong PC. I'm not saying it won't look fantastic, just that it's nearly impossible to fit the power needed into a sellable(priced friendly) console. There will be optimization, but to a degree.

 

[verbum]

People hoping the next consoles will be able to max out Crysis 3 are overshooting. They won't meet the same level of res, AA, textures, or overall fidelity of the game maxed out on a strong PC. I'm not saying it won't look fantastic, just that it's nearly impossible to fit the power needed into a sellable(priced friendly) console. There will be optimization, but to a degree.

Will we hear fans?

 

[Somnid]

Sounds expensive. I know people are excited for new hardware but man super expensive systems just aren't going to do it for me and I can't see them selling very well out of the gate. I'm not very keen on an Xbox subscription plan either. They should be modestly priced with some interesting hook. I already have more than the "second most powerful PC" right now and most of it isn't being used.

 

[Wizman23]

Sounds good to me. I have a 560ti which blows both the 360 and PS3 out of the water and is considered just an average video card. Anything better then that for next gen is icing on the cake