Barack Lesnar
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Nice, it sounds like that could be a graphical showcase at launch.
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Kotaku posts new rumors about Xbox 720/PlayStation 4 (Power, Release Timing)
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Nice, it sounds like that could be a graphical showcase at launch.
KillerMan91
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PS+ is so much better value nowadays than Live Gold that when Sony gets cross game chat included with PS4 I really don't see any reasons to pay for Live.
Arguing that it is so cheap you should just mow a couple yards is inherently fallacious.
The cost isn't the argument, its execution that can, and should, be argued for.
Paying for a p2p connection is just ridiculous in the first place and should be argued against.
It's even more stupid and childish to 'defend' it
Beerman462
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Companies love people like you.
Like I said before. If it's free elsewhere I'm not paying for it. It made sense in 2005, not so much now. I'm glad you mentioned buying an Xbox because I probably won't be buying the new one.
I honestly find paying for shit thats free on every other device to be one of the stupidest most immature things you could be proud of.
Sony charges you for additional services I might want, as does Microsoft. I'm fine with that. However, holding demos, and online features hostage until I essentially pay twice for my Internet use is as anti-consumer as you can get.
Live fees are not "stupid and childish to complain about". It's a legitimate and unnecessary paywall that many gamers have been bothered by.
eso76
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Yes, in fact i was wondering;
Do they mean they have a 660/7800 (or a similar specced GPU) or does it mean they have an inferior GPU which however -put in a console- will provide similar results as a 660 in a PC ?
I need a new PGR game. Its the only racer this gen I've been interested in (other than F1) Make Playground Games make it.
You actually believe this? Kotaku aren't speculating based on thin air, they are speculating based on what they've heard from within the industry. I'm sure both Sony and MS are being tight lipped to the media regarding their next gen systems, but where does it make sense to be tight lipped with your publishing partners?
I swear the lack of logic and thought in some of the posts here makes my head spin.
Wait, really?
It's really not anything bad regarding the PS4. They have always lagged behind MS when it came to communicating to the development community AFAIK. So it's not like this is a clear sign of dark times ahead for Sony.
The PS4 will turn out fine IMO and I think anyone would be happy to get it at launch.
Maybe. But I feel that $50 a year is a small price to pay to have a cohesive online service that is just in a different league than PSN.
Beerman462
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Yup I used to defend it. Back in 2005 it wasn't matched at the time. Even as recent as last year I had Live. I let it run out because I wasn't playing anything. Then I found out that Netflix requires live....hell no.
I wonder why Rare hired a ex-Codemaster Producer, Senior Game Designer, Software Director and Lead Artist. Meh.
Its what im expecting to be the first big "Oh Shit, next gen!" moment for me.
See, I'm fine with that argument, if you ignore any and all features that it also entails.
Once you look at the feature set though, it's hard to argue you can get a similar feature set at the same cost anywhere else. In fact, it's impossible to argue you get the same feature set for a single cost anywhere else.
For example....say me and 3 friends bought the cheapest 360 @ $149, a copy of BLOPS II $60, and a $35 12 month Gold Card a few weeks ago. We all just spent $244.
Now, our goal is to have 4 player cross chat in any game...and if anyone wants to drop out..to continue talking in that same cross chat while the other guy plays something else, or watches netflix, or surfs the web. To do so we don't spend another dime or have to make any effort to connect/keep our group together. It's convenient, easy, and takes no effort or extra spending.
You show me any other system that can do that....that cheaply, exactly as I typed it....and that's including free internet.
Again, complaining about it is stupid.
Note: 90% of my gaming is PC based. I'd fall in the enthusiast....just below fanatic category.
Read the above. You'd have to pay more on other setups to achieve the above INCLUDING paying for Gold Live. In the PS3's case it can't even do a number of things during online games that a 360 can on LIVE..let alone a PC.
If your only interest is Neflix and Hulu...of course it's a stupid investment.
Is what free? It's a service you're paying for not the internet connection. MS don't have to offer a console with online gaming full stop, but they do, and you have to pay for it, and you know about that in advance.
THE:MILKMAN
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I remember that Youtube video that was supposed to be Forza next-gen. Turned out to be real-life footage of a motorway/freeway in Madrid that had been fiddled with.
I look forward to seeing the "real" thing!
I'm not sure how much credibility this article has.
I mean....hardware close to the second-most powerful PC on the market today....it's a statement without any sense at all since there's no way to define such a thing.
Also Sony is aiming for end of 2013 release but people don't believe they'll make it.....now really what are we discussing about? Someone's personal feelings or preferences?
It's just Kotaku, they're looking for hits, they don't want other websites like vg247 to be the only source for next gen rumors and they're trying to say their own...but if this is the result
I mean....hardware close to the second-most powerful PC on the market today....it's a statement without any sense at all since there's no way to define such a thing.
Also Sony is aiming for end of 2013 release but people don't believe they'll make it.....now really what are we discussing about? Someone's personal feelings or preferences?
It's just Kotaku, they're looking for hits, they don't want other websites like vg247 to be the only source for next gen rumors and they're trying to say their own...but if this is the result
Beerman462
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Read my other posts I can get streaming services and play multiplayer on other boxes without the extra charge.
Again, I don't have an issue with them charging for additional Live services, as long as I can use my Internet and play demos in peace. And charging me so I can access a service I already have a paid subscription to? Nope.
metalslimer
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2nd most powerful PC in the market? lol these machines are not going to be 300 watt supercomputers that cost 700 dollars. Anyway can't wait to see more although the Sony thing doesn't sound good at all.
Beerman462
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Yeah if they want to put chat and even multiplayer behind a wall thats fine. I am already paying for streaming services Im not paying again.
Well than all you need is a change off attitude/view angle.
Pay $35 a year for cross party chat and a multiplayer standard, get Netflix and Hulu access free. LOL
Forza 5 will be my reason to buy the NeXtbox. Should be incredible.
Beerman462
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Tesla.....
If my friends played on PSN then I might use that.
IMO if f2p becomes a large business model next Gen, sticking online mp behind a pay wall could be an issue for MS.
Chuck Norris
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You realise your whole argument boils down to paying $50 per year for cross chat functionality?
REMEMBER CITADEL
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That has merit because we all know it was Xbox 360 that had the OS with a high memory footprint and they still couldn't implement often asked for features that were standard on the competing product. Developers weren't happy with the memory situation either. We can only hope Microsoft has learned a valuable lesson there.
It's no secret that Turn 10 is working on Forza 5, but people expect it to launch next year based solely on the series' regular schedule and the notion that it would be a good game to offer at launch. However, in a Horizon thread one of Turn 10 Gaffers has suggested that people perhaps shouldn't be so certain Forza 5 would launch next year.
For what it's worth, I don't expect it at launch, a more arcadey racer would probably be a better fit.
+1, and that is the risk for Sony. I think there is a pretty big pent up new console urge, and one of them comes to market first with really good supply...well, I know I won't be buyin two $400+ consoles in the space of a year.
So whichever console comes out second will need to have a great hook to get people to buy it over the established one. It would be disastrous if the late launcher had no hook and third party games were equivalent or worse.
As far as the industry not having confidence in Sony, why would they? I mean could Sony have fucked up the 00's any worse?
- Walkman brand: dead
- TV brand: dying
- Retail locations: dying (there is an Apple Store three shops down from the Sony Store in my local mall, and the difference in the # of people and the enthusiasm of those people is epic
- Playstation handheld brand: barely breathing
- Playstation home console brand: still good, but given the position they were in in 2004 wrt the market domination of PS2, the PS3 has to be seen as a moderate failure.
If I was in the games industry, and my job depended on choosing the right horse to back, I'd have real hard time coming up with reasons to go with Sony. I would love to be able to come up with those reasons, because I've always liked sony hardware. Well, except for their shitty mp3 players that didnt play mp3s in the early to mid 00s.
The only reason I can come up with that gives me hope for Sony next generation is that MS is run by super greedy motherkrunkers, and that greed may make the xbox a poor value proposition for consumers. You know, like charging for Netflix access. and that that greed will squeeze develops hard enough that they will give more support to other platforms for no other reason than they don't want MS holding all the strings.
Nealand Liquor
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Whoa, I wouldn't say 'it's stupid and childish' to talk about game related costs on a message board dedicated to gaming. There's really no need for the hostility and insults over a difference of opinion.
In my case I have zero problems affording live, I don't even have much of an issue paying to play MP on my xbox, but that doesn't mean I'm ever especially happy when renewal time comes about. Personally I'd much rather spend that money on a game, points, whatever.
I have no issues paying for Live, if I feel like I am getting value out of it. I think Sony has done well with PSN+. since you get some free stuff and access to beta's etc. I am sure if MS did that on a higher frequency, then the Live cost would see pretty reasonable.
Beerman462
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I don't need cross party chat if I did I use my PC thats where I do 90% of my gaming.
It's about your usage. You use your Xbox alot apparently, so it makes sense to maintain a subscription. I used my Xbox once last year for Halo and the 14days free was enough to see the MP and say no thanks.
As a set top box that gets minimal usage as a game machine locking Netflix behind a pay wall is a killer.
Also you act like $35 is the standard price...it's not. If I wanted Live right now it would cost me $60. If Im willing to wait, I saw a $40 card on Google.
How powerful is the second most powerful PC going to be in a year? That is a little too vague lol.
Also, when it comes to XBL I don't see paying as a problem(though I think them wanting $60 a year is a bit too much for what you are getting) but certain features like Netflix shouldn't require a gold account.
Also, when it comes to XBL I don't see paying as a problem(though I think them wanting $60 a year is a bit too much for what you are getting) but certain features like Netflix shouldn't require a gold account.
It has nothing to do with Kotaku. Why there'd be much confidence in PS4 after PS3 and Vita launches, I have no idea. No matter how you look at it, Microsoft starts at a better position than Sony.
"as powerful as the 2nd most powerful pc on the market" is just about the most subjective comentary ive heard. c'mon peeps, its PR speak. Itd be like announcing a new family car and saying "hey guys! its about as cool as the second most awesome sports car on the market today". Has no weight whatsover. There are too many variables in PC land.
Ive no doubt it will have beastly specs for a console, but it wont have any high end PCs sweating imo.
Ive no doubt it will have beastly specs for a console, but it wont have any high end PCs sweating imo.
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I would rather call that "motherkrunkers that had some business sense knocked into them after the colossal money pit that was the original Xbox". In other words, motherkrunkers who have learned how to keep the operation going, which is of long term benefit both to their business partners and to people who enjoy their products, since they're less likely to close the shop due to financial difficulties.
Uno Venova
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Well I hope there isn't a big gap in multiplat quality.
That's pretty much what it usually is.
That's pretty much what it usually is.
If both came out at the same time and were equivalent in power, I'd have no hesitation in choosing the playstation. Both will have the same quality third party games and both are likely to have similar third party media services like Netflix, Hulu etc. but playstation doesnt hide things behind a paywall and seems more willing to invest in a range of first party games that interest me
Now, all of those are variables and may change with the next machines (Sony might charge for online, MS might drop the charge, MS might invest more in first party), so it's all a bit hypothetical at the moment.
MS has been rebuilding their first party studios and hiring new talent steadily for the past couple of years actually( as well as adding Twisted Pixel to their first party). Between that and XBLA, not seeing the loss of focus on gaming.
BlindMonkey
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Really looking forward to seeing what these new consoles will be capable of in the right hands, games like uncharted 3 really push out visuals way beyond what the specs suggest should be possible.
Not really caring about the next Xbox, this gen I had the 360 at launch, the ps3 a year later at its launch, then after a year of trying to play both, ended up with only enough time for one, so chose the ps3.
Next gen I'll just get the ps4.
Not really caring about the next Xbox, this gen I had the 360 at launch, the ps3 a year later at its launch, then after a year of trying to play both, ended up with only enough time for one, so chose the ps3.
Next gen I'll just get the ps4.
People are free to be confident in whatever they want.
But you can't base rumors on personal feelings. The last part of the article sounds like "Sony has told developers they're targeting a 2013 release but no one believes them because...emmm...it's Sony?"
And they make an article out of this and the 'second most powerful PC on the market" stupidity?
In this sense it has a lot to do with Kotaku and not in a good way
yurinka
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Even considering all the mistakes that Sony made, PS3 sold 70 millions after 5/6 years. With Vita, Sony learned from their mistakes from PS3 and PSP. With a pricecut announced for next year, its main issue is the 3rd party support.
It's pretty likely that if they learned from these mistakes for Vita, they'll do it for PS4 too. So there won't be too high pricing, there won't be bizarre hardware too difficult and expensive to develop for, there will be crossgame chat etc. So if there is a parity on performance with 720 like PS3 and X360 had, it won't have the main issues that Vita and PS3 had, because at this point of the market the 3rd parties need multiplatform for home consoles.
For me it seems to be the more likely the case, and if this happens I'm pretty sure that PS4 will make a better job than PS3 during its first years. Specially if Live and PS+ work in the same way the next generation than in the current one. But I'm pretty sure that MS won't charge for online, Netflix, etc to compete.