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Lucas is a stubborn prick
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If one were to chart it out on a venn diagram both groups of people (people who care about the changes, and people who already downloaded a "despecialized" version) almost comletely overlap.
I totally agree that there's no market.
Dash_Riprock
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Yeah, that must be why The Force Awakens flopped critically and commercially.
OP no, it his baby, your opinion doesn't matter. That's why he went the route he did, it's all his.
Doesn't he own Disney stock?
Glass Rebel
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we really got people defending the cgi in the OT SEs huh
paradise_circus
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I think they could do it after episode 9 and the han solo movie to brick the time for the next trilogy
Defending Lucus right to do what he wants, he came up with it all, we have no say. A segment of SW fans are just entitled babies. We've seen what they'd do if they had control, the fan made films are some of the biggest crimes known to cinema, clearly have zero idea on how to carve a scifi epic.
I admire that he done what he wanted, not controlled by the audience or the execs, that's how he's always been. We'll always be observers, were owed nothing.
Not the CGI but the SEs are the superior versions alone because of Victory Celebration.
It's over, man. We got the best outcome possible, here. Time to move on.
The oldest Version I seen is the pre special edition vhs releas. Wasnt that the originals?
eddievanclaylen
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Yeah, it's loco
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Having just recently re-watches the OT in their "special" edition I can say that every added scene or creature sticks out like a sour thumb, ruins pacing and detracts from the whole.
I wish that Disney just re-made episodes 1 through 3. Make them about a hippie dude (Obi-Wan) who seeks out Yoda to learn about the force, then goes to war where he teams up with a pilot (Anakin), who he tries to show the ways of the force, and a roguish girl (the mother of L&L) in the clone wars where he becomes a general. Their struggle is torn between two mentors (Yoda and The Emperor) and... the story kind of writes itself.
I wish that Disney just re-made episodes 1 through 3. Make them about a hippie dude (Obi-Wan) who seeks out Yoda to learn about the force, then goes to war where he teams up with a pilot (Anakin), who he tries to show the ways of the force, and a roguish girl (the mother of L&L) in the clone wars where he becomes a general. Their struggle is torn between two mentors (Yoda and The Emperor) and... the story kind of writes itself.
Spiritwalker
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Indeed
SchrodingerC
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I'd be fine with more edited special editions.
Most of ESB's newer effects enhances the movie, but it's hard to say the same for ANH and ROTJ. The random shots of CG creature in Hope needs to be expunged; like when Luke and Obi Wan are approached the first time by stormtroopers a random creature wanders in front of the scene, blocking the frame with its ugly textured ass. The CG creatures needs to be reduced as they are distractions, not enhancements. One ANH SE positive is the Jawas new sandcrawler, it's an upgrade from the original strugglecrawler.
Also, Jabba's scene can go back into the deleted scenes section where it belongs.
That awful dance number in Jedi needs to be wiped from existence; seriously, what the hell was Lucas thinking by adding that.
Most of ESB's newer effects enhances the movie, but it's hard to say the same for ANH and ROTJ. The random shots of CG creature in Hope needs to be expunged; like when Luke and Obi Wan are approached the first time by stormtroopers a random creature wanders in front of the scene, blocking the frame with its ugly textured ass. The CG creatures needs to be reduced as they are distractions, not enhancements. One ANH SE positive is the Jawas new sandcrawler, it's an upgrade from the original strugglecrawler.
Also, Jabba's scene can go back into the deleted scenes section where it belongs.
That awful dance number in Jedi needs to be wiped from existence; seriously, what the hell was Lucas thinking by adding that.
Glass Rebel
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"Doing what he wants" has led to Lucas making three shitty prequel movies that not only were terrible movies by themselves, they also retroactively damaged parts of the mythos and characters of his own universe. Lucas is probably the prime example of why "doing what one wants" isn't always the best thing.
Also "we're owed nothing" is the laziest fucking argument ever in these discussions. If Lucas didn't want to be beholden to the expectations of his fans, he should have kept this Star Wars shit to himself.
I don't agree, I believe theyre responsible for some of the best moments in SW, the music, Obi Wan, villians and explanations for Jedi dogmatic beliefs are interesting angle's to view some of SW core concepts, parts of which are woven into the new movies, proving it has enriched it.
He created a journey that people are invited to enjoy, that's it, if you don't like it move on. The OT was shat on too when it released, the actors thought it was a joke, Alec Guineas joked about its shitty dialogue, but Lucas continued with what he believed was right. If it's not good, that's fine, it's his mistake to make.
The early VHS release had a number of changes since the theatrical release.
The films have been changed numerous times from day 1. "EPISODE IV A NEW HOPE" was added to the crawl as early as 1981 for example.
Unless you saw it in theaters in 1977, 1980, and 1983 you have never seen the actual theatrical releases.
Does the Library of Congress know what it's talking about?
They have asked Lucas for prints of the original films as they were theatrically released for historical preservation and Lucas has refused.
He wouldn't even support historical preservation. He's a jerkoff. Hopefully once the distribution is fully out of his hands Disney can do the right thing for us and for history.
Good thing then that it is out of his hands.
Man, smh. Star Wars threads really show why Fake News are thing, everyone posts half truths ranging from Disney makes Star Wars moves up to Lucas is still secretly involved.
Glass Rebel
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It's so weird because they are his films. The guy self-financed the prequels no less - say what you will about quality, he'd have been fucked if they bombed.
I actually respect him a lot. And dumb as the prequels are, this year has shown us how truly shite blockbusters can be with Alice and Warcraft. I'll take grooming Palpatine over two CGI orcs lying down having a casual conversation any day,
Well thought out retort, well done.
Glass Rebel
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Your opinion doesn't need a retort from my side. I said my piece about the prequels, you said yours and we're both entitled to our opinions. It's just that I disagree vehemently with yours.
PHOENIXZERO
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Talk about a topic that's over four years late...
Aaron Strife
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Chuckie
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It is weird he thinks cultural history shouldn't be re-written yet deems it necessary to add "Nooooooooooooooooooooo" to the famous Darth Vader vs Emperor scene.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Star wars fans are the weirdest. So much anger and entitlement over something so trivial.
I want them purely as a collectibles to say I own it, if anything. They're hard to watch after being spoiled by the updated sound and SFX( like space battles, not shitty CGI inserts) of the rereleases. Disney will Disney Vault that shit at some point for the really small fan base that actually cares.
People need to get over being mad at Lucas, it's not even his call anymore. He let the shitty EU exist for crying out loud before Disney did what he should have done and nuked it. That makes him a saint as far as I'm concerned.
People need to get over being mad at Lucas, it's not even his call anymore. He let the shitty EU exist for crying out loud before Disney did what he should have done and nuked it. That makes him a saint as far as I'm concerned.
DiipuSurotu
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You're deluded if you think "Digitally Unremastered" is something that's going to sell to anyone except supernerds.
Best case scenario, the original cuts will be added as bonus features in some mega collection.
Now that I think about it, Id pay good money for a BRD collection of the movies and TV shows
Best case scenario, the original cuts will be added as bonus features in some mega collection.
Now that I think about it, Id pay good money for a BRD collection of the movies and TV shows
Lucas was a bit of a stubborn prick, to be honest. I honestly think a lot of his edits/additions to the original trilogy were done mostly to spite fans who liked the original movies more than the prequel trilogy because the prequels were more directly his vision while the original trilogy had more finger prints from others on them. The "NOOO" addition to Return of the Jedi was a straight up slap in the face.
devildog820
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Not sure how much it has been pored over, but I believe the issue is with distribution rights.
20th Century Fox owns distro rights to ep 4 in perpetuity. They own 1-3, 5-6 rights until 2020 (I think). Disney could probably live with getting 2/3 of the money for the original trilogy distribution, but not 0/3. So around 2020, they will either outright buy ep 4 and release the trilogy, or revenue share and release the trilogy. They love money too much not to do something along those lines.
20th Century Fox owns distro rights to ep 4 in perpetuity. They own 1-3, 5-6 rights until 2020 (I think). Disney could probably live with getting 2/3 of the money for the original trilogy distribution, but not 0/3. So around 2020, they will either outright buy ep 4 and release the trilogy, or revenue share and release the trilogy. They love money too much not to do something along those lines.
ryutaro's mama
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Yes, a movie (with the original 3 back after 32 years away) that was the safest reboot route imaginable, didn't flop.
Shocking.
you're deluded if you think selling nostalgia to the star wars fanbase wouldn't work
ryutaro's mama
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Yep. They sold $2B worth of it at the box office last year.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Uh most of his additions to the OT were done before the prequels came out.
He's done a bunch after too. Sorry, I was specifically referring to the post PT additions/changes
This. Fuck the haters so much!!!
I think the best we can hope for is eventually getting the theatrical versions released as an alternative way to watch.. But even that may be too much work for it to be even justified. Hope I'm wrong though.
Shocking.
I know, the safest and most nostalgic films are given to make 2 billion dollars in gross earnings.
Shocking.
friskykillface
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I also like Yub Nub
I'm 27
I love all the movies except episode 2, that shit sucked
I camped out for episode 3 because I thought that was it for Star Wars movies
Glad I was wrong
Luke gonna fuck up some fools in episode 8
I'm 27
I love all the movies except episode 2, that shit sucked
I camped out for episode 3 because I thought that was it for Star Wars movies
Glad I was wrong
Luke gonna fuck up some fools in episode 8
John Kowalski
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I don't see why him doing bad work in any way supports the perception that he must relieve himself of control over his work and move according to what consumers want him to do. With perhaps the exception of his own financial interests.
"We're owned nothing" might be a worn notion but often (the colloquially called) hardcore fans are extremely quickly to dismiss authorship and just as often they have fantastical and dehumanizing ideas about the person or persons behind the woks they admire, and "we're owned nothing" is necessary to make people think with their feet on the ground.
plagiarize
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George Lucas from 1997 onwards:
Hardly. Kids love the prequel trilogy.
Personally, I think Episode 1 was okay, and 2 and 3 terrible, but there are loads of kids that love them, and contrary to what a lot of adults believe, kids don't just love any old crap.
Lucas achieved *almost* everything he set out to do with the prequel trilogy. He revolutionized film making. Forced cinemas to convert to digital projectors. Made a movie kids loved...
He just failed to make movies adults loved. Myself included in that group.
But the 'lol he is out of touch with children' line is so far from the mark, given how kids feel about the prequel trilogy (and the clone wars TV show).
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