Oh lawd multiquote wars...
Angry Grimace said:
What I'm saying is that it's not a particularly skillful, ingenious or particularly creative callback. I sincerely doubt Eiichiro Oda thought it was anything other than a nice touch. You're totally exaggerating the skill it takes to take a quote one guy said and have another guy say it.
Okay if you say-so. Try writing a story for over 10 years straight and you call me back on that. First-hand accounts weigh far more than your opinion.
Angry Grimace said:
Hmmmm: "Well it's a pretty big deal because most writers out there don't even include references like that, even high tier Western writers don't keep that level of consistency. It's a clear reference...of a reference of an Asian proverb. Oda keeps track of almost everything in One Piece which can't be said for most writers or manga-ka out there."
Since when was anything by George R.R. Martin considered to be writing practices by "most writers"? Is all the literature you've read A Song and of Ice and Fire?
Angry Grimace said:
I'm not going to sugar coat this: where the fuck do you get this? Have you ever read anything outside of Berserk, One Piece, Naruto and Bleach? This is frankly complete and utter nonsense and reflects only a passing familiarity with literature in general.
Where the fuck did I get this? Read any interviews with any major writers,
any, about old books they haven't written in years. Very rarely do they recall, 10 years later, obscure aspects of their works. It takes real talent to be able to either keep track or recall small elements. It's abysmally idiotic and factually wrong to even suggest this is a common talent amongst the writing community.
Angry Grimace said:
Speculation, but even then I don't see the connection to One Piece.
That isn't speculation, Neil Gaiman said in an interview a while back, a video one I believe, that he re-read Sandman and was surprised by all the things he wrote in it and found it a better read since he hasn't dealt with Sandman for so long. It was pretty clear and was a pretty big part of the interview. Most writers
aren't inhuman machines that are able to keep of database of everything in their heads.
Angry Grimace said:
Listen, I'm trying to debate you seriously, but when you get to the point that you're defending One Piece by arguing that only the most talented writers are capable of remembering their own characters motivations and plot points, I really don't know what to tell you. There really isn't any evidence to support this textually, anecdotally or otherwise.
Yeah cause I'm totally arguing that...