NotTheGuyYouKill
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Most rumors had it going for November anyway. It'll air this year, I'm sure of it.
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Marvels Punisher Pulled From New York Comic-Con Following Las Vegas Shooting
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Most rumors had it going for November anyway. It'll air this year, I'm sure of it.
yet_another_alt
Member
Frank wasn't the target. He just happened to be there.
They made the right call.
Frank and his fetishisation by the Police and Army has become problematic. Frank only really works for me when it's like MAX and he's portrayed as a fucking psycho killing machine who uses his families deaths as an excuse to go on a murder spree and only looks good in comparison to the over the top evil people he is killing (like the sex traffickers)
Any anti-hero or kinda heroic reading just can't work for me now. It's why I'm hoping this show isn't going to make his family dying a big conspiracy. You should only feel sympathetic towards Frank to a point. He is a monster.
Frank and his fetishisation by the Police and Army has become problematic. Frank only really works for me when it's like MAX and he's portrayed as a fucking psycho killing machine who uses his families deaths as an excuse to go on a murder spree and only looks good in comparison to the over the top evil people he is killing (like the sex traffickers)
Any anti-hero or kinda heroic reading just can't work for me now. It's why I'm hoping this show isn't going to make his family dying a big conspiracy. You should only feel sympathetic towards Frank to a point. He is a monster.
Speaking of Kitchen Irish, in the end when Frank helped that young soldier find and kill his dad's killer, he and the general who helped him find Frank had this small conversation.
The last panel was Frank walking away still looking miserable. I like how the writer was saying that anyone who idolizes him was missing the point.
NullPointer
Member
Which is why I actually like how he's been portrayed in his Netflix form. He's never been a hero, just different levels along the spectrum of psycho.
It makes the whole idea of giving him his own series touchy, but they've won me over enough to give them the benefit of the doubt at least.
I'm split on this.
On one hand I think it was the right decision.
On the other it feels like a completely empty gesture. The show was still made, it will still be released, and it glorifies gratuitous violence...
If they announced that they were going to bury to show, never to be released, and stop making entertainment featuring so much violence, then... well, that would be something meaningful.
This is meaningless.
On one hand I think it was the right decision.
On the other it feels like a completely empty gesture. The show was still made, it will still be released, and it glorifies gratuitous violence...
If they announced that they were going to bury to show, never to be released, and stop making entertainment featuring so much violence, then... well, that would be something meaningful.
This is meaningless.
Gaz Pwnage
Member
Does this show feature full on, no holds barred violence in true punisher fashion?
Probably for the best if so.
Probably for the best if so.
CitizenCope
Member
Good. I never read comics or the Punisher to be exact. Last Holiday my brother had me take home a Christmas comic of the Punisher. Couldn't believe what I saw(read?). WTF! Disturbing.
darkwing-buck
Member
Yeah in DDS2, the violence was HBO level of depiction. Very graphic.
styl3s
Member
I kept hearing October 13th or November 13th. I always had my bet on November 13th because as far as i know Netflix has never stealth dropped a BIG show like this and they just started doing billboards and heavy advertising which makes sense for a early-mid November release.
The good will earned by DD season 2 and the fact they have someone from Hannibal working on this means I have faith. Hannibal isn't a bad example of how he should be handled actually.
But it is a fine line they are treading with this character especially with the way things are right now.
NullPointer
Member
Hell, release close to Halloween where some space is allowed for the macabre.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
This is about presenting something under better circumstances.
Totally. Dude should be portrayed like a slasher villain anyway so it could work.
The Punisher has always been an extended issue of Marvel's "What If", crossing into D.C. territory.
The Punisher is "What If Batman had a Gun?", basically. He is supposed to be, and is at his very best as a character, when he is portrayed as a broken shell consumed with both rage and sorrow, from whence everything human is slowly draining away, or being consumed by his rage... including his sorrow. He is meant to be seen as an empty man - a machine still going, long after it has served its purpose, and lost all human function. He got his revenge IN HIS ORIGINAL MINI SERIES, for crying out loud. He's a broken record of the cycle of revenge. He's his own Old Yeller.
The Punisher is "What If Batman had a Gun?", basically. He is supposed to be, and is at his very best as a character, when he is portrayed as a broken shell consumed with both rage and sorrow, from whence everything human is slowly draining away, or being consumed by his rage... including his sorrow. He is meant to be seen as an empty man - a machine still going, long after it has served its purpose, and lost all human function. He got his revenge IN HIS ORIGINAL MINI SERIES, for crying out loud. He's a broken record of the cycle of revenge. He's his own Old Yeller.
Probably for the best. Still disappointed, but it's the right move.
He's a great character when he has good writers, but even as a huge fan I can see how problematic he is as a character now that he has become such an influential pop culture symbol in America, the land of guns.
It's probably the fact that so many bad writers have gotten a hold of his character over the years that so many people can only see his character through the most superficial lens of "the hero who kills". It's a classic problem with many superheroes, except that at his worst the Punisher is glorifying extrajudicial killings.
He's a great character when he has good writers, but even as a huge fan I can see how problematic he is as a character now that he has become such an influential pop culture symbol in America, the land of guns.
dead souls
Member
Nope, they won't step all over Stranger Things S2.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
He's not really meant to be a hero, but that doesn't mean he can't be a great protagonist.
Silent Chief
Member
There were 10 issues of The Punisher Armory. The nuances of the character are "Should I murder this guy with a Glock or a Desert Eagle?". Paddock's arsenal was comparable.
No harm in waiting a week or 2 to glorify this "lifestyle".
Impeccable
Member
Erm, okay.
Straight Edge
Member
Don't we have shootings every day in the US?
Damn he really missed the point of the character.
MysteryQuesadilla
Member
So I actually was thinking about this as shower thoughts yesterday given that the character was more a product of his time (high crime in urban areas received heavy media coverage) and wondered just how the Punisher fits in the current climate. I wondered if the show or Marvel will address his character within a more "realistic" setting with mass shootings being a common occurrence.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Take away the fictional guns not the real ones. USA USA!
Let's be honest, most people do.
Bill R Boggess
Member
The Punisher is the very definition of antihero.
Exactly. Youre allowed to have protagonists who are shitty people but also not villains. I fucking LOVE the Punisher comics, one of my favorite characters out there. Do I idolize him? Of course not. Is he a good person? No. Is him going on rampages and killing tons of people good comic book fodder? Absolutely. Hes a broken man whos family was murdered and the only way he can function is by doing what he thinks is the noble mission of wiping out criminals using immense violence.
Theres no good time to release a Punisher series in the US because weve become a country where mass shootings are going to happen almost every day, its just something the country has accepted. I understand Netflix pulling from comic-con to avoid bad press, but theres no reason for them to delay the release of the actual show more than a few weeks.
Messofanego
Banned
pretty much
kylecoley182
Banned
Just released it tomorrow
Haha yeah, my first thought.
Who knew this episode of BoJack Horseman would be so relevant.
Good of them.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
It's called an anti-hero.
Bill R Boggess
Member
Hes a fictional character who basically acts like the bogeyman for horrible, violent criminals.
Its understandable that people get a certain pleasure from him doing bad things to bad people.
Now, those who emulate him as the ideal cop or soldier, well, thats another story entirely
Its like Charles Bronson in Death Wish. Most people don't really acknowledge what a fucked up person he is and the terrible shit he's doing because its cathartic to see evil caricatures get blown away by a bad ass with a chip on his shoulder and an axe to grind.
Sorry I meant more in the way that Wolverine is portrayed as an anti-hero. Questionable methods, dark past but with a heart of gold or that sort of thing.
EYEL1NER
Member
Pretty much how I feel about The Punisher too. I love the comics, the character, the movies (Tom Jane Punisher and War Zone, don't care to watch the Dolph film). I also don't wish anyone like that existed or think it's something for someone to aspire to. I don't even support capital punishment.
He's not a hero
WhiteWaterM00se
Member
We live in a day of 24 hour news coverage that is amplified by social media. I fully expect Netflix to push this into early 2018 at this point. I'm not saying it is right or wrong, just what I'm expecting.
kylecoley182
Banned
I cant see them pushing it back till next year
Punisher is just a ripoff of The Reprisaliser anyway
(pics from A Gun For George - short film by Matthew Holness. Sort of shows the kind of person who would write Punisher stories)
(pics from A Gun For George - short film by Matthew Holness. Sort of shows the kind of person who would write Punisher stories)
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
They're not on this level of tragedy that effects the entire US.
Welp.
IndoAssassin
Banned
I think people are taking that quote out of context. To me it sounds like he is trying to express how he will do his best playing the character as he understands how far Punisher's fandom goes. I don't think he meant anything political by but people gotta make everything political these days.
But I guess that's just people, take every single thing out of context to match their political views.
How about blaming the interviewer for not delving deeper whether he meant it politically or metaphorically.
How about getting pissed at your gov't for allowing such unprofessional behavior of the people who represent the state or country? Only in America is this crap allowed.