SushiReese
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Why do people still go out to beach during this time period?it's not going to happen, there's still people on the beaches in my area and they've been locked
people will die
Why do people still go out to beach during this time period?it's not going to happen, there's still people on the beaches in my area and they've been locked
people will die
These are the actual quotes from the EU without the journalist tripe:
"The coronavirus crisis has highlighted the challenge of protecting the health of the population whilst avoiding disruptions to the free movement of persons, and the delivery of goods and essential services across Europe," the European Commission said in a note to the 27 member states.
"The implementation of... checks of persons and goods should be governed by the principle of solidarity between member states,"
"In order to avoid shortages and a worsening of the social and economic difficulties that all European countries are already experiencing, maintaining the functioning of the Single Market is key,"
Nobody gives a scooby about "social difficulties" and "free movement of persons" when everyone should be staying the fuck at home anyway.
Why do people still go out to beach during this time period?
hahaha that's nonsense, almost every european nation was also ahead of testing in comparison to the US, nobody botched the tests like the CDC.
Western countries just lack the sophisticated cell phone tracking that the Asian countries have.
:lol
It’s not , because we don’t know if you get immune, or how long it lasts ...
First do a full fucking strict lock down ... to get organized. After that do your immunization trick. Also it’s not predictable as influenza.
You better hope America goes into full lock down this week.
From the same article :
"With the official death toll in Italy now at nearly 1,300 cases and at about 300 in Spain, the Commission's calls for unity and solidarity have been falling largely on deaf ears as each nation tries to fend for itself, and reports spread of cars and trucks getting stuck at what are normally invisible borders."
It's not about keeping open borders out of pure ideology, it's because adding too much control on borders will disrupt the transport of goods. It's even the first sentence of the article ;
"European Union countries must take care not to damage food and medicine supply lines as they slap on border restrictions in the drive to curb the spread of coronavirus, the EU's executive arm said on Monday. "
Germany is an example of how early testing can safe lives. One company in Germany had a testing kit ready pretty soon, even the WHO got many from them. You can see the results in their death rates. Most people agree that the early testing is what is making a difference in Germany.I agree the CDC f'd up. But for all the testing being done by the EU, it hasn't helped then one bit. Italy/Spain/Germany/UK/France, all the nordic countries their testing hasn't stopped anything.
People are extremely hardheaded & think shit will go back to normal in a week or two. Doesn’t help that the government is floating the same dream.
We have not, no rooms , not enough icus . Worst gamble ever.There is no need to go full lockdown if you got hospitals and rooms to spare. Locking people up in there houses is the dumbest thing u could do. What's going to happen when u tell them to get out of there houses again? boom massive spread starts all over again. And that's exactly what's going to happen in all of those country's.
It's just there to releave hospitals from pressure and that's about it. But even that isn't working well.
The only solution is get imuum and the weak can lock themselves up if they want to, to wait for a cure or some form of treatment to appear while they are at it.
Anybody that still thinks about preventing instead of herd immunity is living in lala land.
Germany is an example of how early testing can safe lives. One company in Germany had a testing kit ready pretty soon, even the WHO got many from them. You can see the results in their death rates. Most people agree that the early testing is what is making a difference in Germany.
Basically this. Japan's confirmed case numbers are extremely low because they don't test. They've been lucky to not see almost any deaths, but we know community spread has been there for months.
Testing is very much a damned if you do, damned if you don't thing in regards to media coverage and general perception.
I mean, it is true that there is a mask culture in Japan, but nearly all people wearing masks is simply not true.Nearly all Japanese wear masks in public, as do Koreans and Chinese, it protects the wearers, but much more importantly, it shields the infected. That alone cannot not have a major impact on spreading.
People are extremely hardheaded & think shit will go back to normal in a week or two. Doesn’t help that the government is floating the same dream.
If you test a lot of people and get them in the early stages you have three advantages as I see it. 1) Symptoms are easier to control and monitor in early stages since patients are not arriving in critical condition where options are reduced. 2) You stop them from dispersing the virus further by containing them. 3) You can trace easier their whereabouts and test people that were close to them further detecting sources of the disease. With all this combined you can plan better which patients need hospitalization and which need other less extreme measures.How does early testing save lives when there isn't any drugs right now to treat the virus?
it's not going to happen, there's still people on the beaches in my area and they've been locked
people will die
How does early testing save lives when there isn't any drugs right now to treat the virus? Or did German tests somehow make less people die and get out of the ICU quicker? And its not like Germany doesn't
So from that, as of 3/28:
0-29: 1
30-39: 18
40-49: 76
50-59: 314
60-69: 971
70-79: 2967
80-89: 3344
90+: 767
Total: 8458 (Total as of 3/28 is actually 10,023 so this data must be 1-2 days old)
As of 3/19 data:
0-29: 0
30-39: 9
40-49: 25
50-59: 83
60-69: 312
70-79: 1090
80-89: 1243
90+: 285
0-29: 100% increase! (well just 1)
30-39: x2.00 increase
40-49: x3.04
50-59: x3.78
60-69: x3.11
70-79: x2.72
80-89: x2.69
90+: x2.69
So, the old people deaths (70+) are increasing at a slower rate than those under 70. Whether this is due to the overloaded healthcare system or just running out of old people to kill? I don't know.
For Spain, the numbers I found through 3/26:
0-9: 0 (0.0%)
10-19: 1 (0.1% of total deaths)
20-29: 4 (0.3%)
30-39: 7 (0.5%)
40-49: 19 (1.4%)
50-59: 35 (2.6%)
60-69: 119 (8.7%)
70-79: 319 (23.3%)
80-89: 608 (44.5%)
90+: 255 (18.7%)
Total: 1367 (The current data for today says 5690 deaths so this data is relatively old).
So basically Spain from.. roughly a week ago, looked very much like Italy, though a few more young deaths, whereas Italy had none for a long while.
I am guessing the older patients are dying faster once they get COVID-19 and the younger people are sticking around longer. My guess is we'll see this trend younger and younger as more time passes, especially with the health care systems getting overloaded. I would guess patients in their 20's and 30's will probably end up mostly fine, but 40's and 50's are going to be higher risk.
Spain recorded close to or over 8000 new cases the past 4 days. Spain's population is something like 46M and Italy is 60M. Wtf is going on in Spain (he ask's, again).
It hurts because people go back out and socialize earlier than they should and more people die. People are planning to go back to church on Easter Sunday if they could. That would cause even more pain.How does it hurt, though? What do you think the general response would be if Trump got up on the podium and announced that this shit is probably going to require as all to hunker down for half a year?
That doesn’t sound extreme at all tbhIt's better that people have hope. Could you imagine the situation if they now said this will go on for another 6 weeks for example?
It hurts because people go back out and socialize earlier than they should and more people die. People are planning to go back to church on Easter Sunday if they could. That would cause even more pain.
Whatever the reaction would be it would at least be some concrete certainty.
That doesn’t sound extreme at all tbh
Well, oh.
So right now, with undercounting, Italy is at an 11% sCFR. What will this cause it to jump to?
Why not say "I truly hope for the best" other stuff is redundant. It would not even cross my mind to say "I pray for you". Just saying.Americans, I'm not praying for you as I have no religious beliefs but I truly hope for the best. You have some really rough times ahead. Your doctors, nurses and everyone else in the healthcare industry are about to go through hell like never before.
Stay safe and stay inside. Go through your steam library and play all those games you bought for a dollar on sale but you never played. Use that nes/snes mini you bought but only played for 5 mins. Actually start watching all those movies you added to your netflix list. Just stay inside.
I know it sounds melodramatic and most of you will be absolutely fine (health wise), but your hospitals are going to be overwhelmed and everyone needs to do their part to try and prevent further spreading.
Here's hoping we can find some way to get on top of this soon.
If you test a lot of people and get them in the early stages you have three advantages as I see it. 1) Symptoms are easier to control and monitor in early stages since patients are not arriving in critical condition where options are reduced. 2) You stop them from dispersing the virus further by containing them. 3) You can trace easier their whereabouts and test people that were close to them further detecting sources of the disease. With all this combined you can plan better which patients need hospitalization and which need other less extreme measures.
Also Germany higher numbers can actually be a product of higher testing rates. In that case the rate of detecting cases in the US can be way lower than Germany and so the numbers are misleading.
Americans, I'm not praying for you as I have no religious beliefs but I truly hope for the best. You have some really rough times ahead. Your doctors, nurses and everyone else in the healthcare industry are about to go through hell like never before.
Stay safe and stay inside. Go through your steam library and play all those games you bought for a dollar on sale but you never played. Use that nes/snes mini you bought but only played for 5 mins. Actually start watching all those movies you added to your netflix list. Just stay inside.
I know it sounds melodramatic and most of you will be absolutely fine (health wise), but your hospitals are going to be overwhelmed and everyone needs to do their part to try and prevent further spreading.
Here's hoping we can find some way to get on top of this soon.
Of course it does. When you are testing people early you are taking the small number of people who are testing positive out of the population in your country so they can't infect other people. Your curve decreases exponentially if you lower the initial velocity. By acting soon, you are not going to get the exponential growth because there won't be enough of people to infect others.
You have put out a small fire. Look at the curve again. It grows like a fire. Very small in the beginning and then engulfs everything. Which is easier to put out a small stove fire or a forest fire? Which is easier to control a small number of people who have it or millions of people who have it? You have time in the beginning to act to remove people from society so it doesn't spread exponentially.
If China was able to test and isolate patient 0, this never would have spread. If the USA was able to test and isolate the small group of people that had the virus in January, it wouldn't have spread to millions of people. Common sense.
Oh shut the fuck up you whiny bitch. My hopes go to everyone bar you now.Why not say "I truly hope for the best" other stuff is redundant. It would not even cross my mind to say "I pray for you". Just saying.
You people can't be helped. Burn in petty hell.This is a weird post. While I am sure there are some younger folks here with no responsibilities, most of us have jobs and kids and life doesn't just stop. We can't sit around eating cheetos and playing cheap steam games. I wish I could, but I have a family to support and a job to still do.
Oh shut the fuck up you whiny bitch. My hopes go to everyone bar you now.
Just kidding. I hope for everyone including you. I said it because I know it's common for many people over there to say thoughts and prayers. I wanted to get the same meaning across.
You people can't be helped. Burn in petty hell.
Joking. Stay safe.
Oh shut the fuck up you whiny bitch. My hopes go to everyone bar you now.
Just kidding. I hope for everyone including you. I said it because I know it's common for many people over there to say thoughts and prayers. I wanted to get the same meaning across.
You people can't be helped. Burn in petty hell.
Joking. Stay safe.
EU is completely invisible towards EU citizens right now. Nobody even hears them. Everybody looks at their own country's. They could scream tommorow open boarders and nobody would follow. EU is done for as it stands now.
That website (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105061/coronavirus-deaths-by-region-in-italy/) updated their numbers again, I guess they do it daily? If so, that's nice. They're still behind though as the death total went from 8458 to 9220 (+762, this is about on-par with the 3/27 numbers).
0-29: 1 - (No increase, yay!)
30-39: 20 - x1.11 (+2)
40-49: 81 - x1.06 (+5)
50-59: 340 - x1.08 (+26)
60-69: 1073 - x1.10 (+102)
70-79: 3206 - x1.08 (+239)
80-89: 3652 - x1.09 (+308)
90+: 845 - x1.10 (+78)
So it seems to be killing about on par with #s across the board I guess, for a 1-day snapshot. Will be interesting to follow it and see if/how it changes over time.
People dying in large amounts and trump is tweeting about his ratings.
What a fuckin idiot. How anyone can still support this POS is beyond me.
Man Louisiana looks like it is going to be another hot spot. Is the government there taking this as seriously as other places?
You are not going to be able to control it completely but you will slow it down so that your hospitals can handle people coming in. The death rate is about 1% if your hospitals are not overrun. It only goes up if there are people waiting outside to get treated and can't get the proper care. In Germany, it looks like their hospitals are able to handle the case load hence the lower death rate.But just because Germany tested people early doesn't mean the virus decided to kill .8% instread of 7.5%.
This. The EU had an opportunity to show that it meant something, and was capable of handling something. Instead, they all looked the other way when China announced a new SARS outbreak, and all switched the news channel and cancelled all their meetings when China locked down 50 million people.
Instead of hearing the blaring alarms when Hubei went into lockdown, and preparing an EU wide lockdown at the first case, they did fuck all. An EU wide lockdown with borders closed and guarantees of support to which ever countries were affected from day one would have put this bed quickly, efficiently, would have cost less and more importantly, would have saved thousands of lives and suffering. The death toll would have been reduced dramatically and the cost financially although in the billions, would have been cheaper than the trillions that this is going to cost.
The EU is nothing. I have always been firmly in the middle regarding the EU. Now though, the whole thing is joke, No one stepped up, nobody planned anything. They have demonstrated that they are useless.
You are not going to be able to control it completely but you will slow it down so that your hospitals can handle people coming in. The death rate is about 1% if your hospitals are not overrun. It only goes up if there are people waiting outside to get treated and can't get the proper care. In Germany, it looks like their hospitals are able to handle the case load hence the lower death rate.
Of course. I am in the EU, so I directed it towards them. The UN, Trump, The EU, there was no coordinated response, they all looked the other way. Everyone thought of their economies. Now though, the inaction is going to cost trillions. Borders MUST stay closed until lockdowns can eradicate it, a medecine is found that renders it no more than the flu or a vaccine. Or, borders open, and you are on 3 weeks quarantine before you are allowed out.Everything you said can be aplied to the US or any other place on earth, no one was looking, no one cared until it was already there.
The EU is nothing. I have always been firmly in the middle regarding the EU. Now though, the whole thing is joke, No one stepped up, nobody planned anything. They have demonstrated that they are useless.
2) we talk about pre-existing conditions and how those with pre-existing conditions are more susceptible.. but is it the actual condition or the meds that person may be on that is contributing to them being more susceptible ?
The US doesn't have 5 x the population of Germany. US 327m vs Germany 82mWell we will see how Germany starts doing because their death rate per million is only 1 less than the US and is rising at the same rate as the US. Hopefully they can turn things around but they are looking like they will break the 100 dead a day mark today or tomorrow.
The US and Germany are essentially on the same trajectory, just the US numbers are bigger because they have 5 times as many people in their country. So both countries may have "slowed" it down early on, but aren't now. So I pray that German hospitals can continue to not be overrun and they turn their numbers around quicker.
Still doesn't explain why my country which was lax on testing till about 2 weeks ago has 1 death per million. We didn't do Germany style advance testing here. And we are borders with the US and have tons of snowbirds coming across the border so distance isn't something thats helping us.
The US doesn't have 5 x the population of Germany. US 327m vs Germany 82m
Looks like Japan is finally banning all foreigners coming from the US, most of Europe, Korean, and China (or have been to any of those countries in the previous two weeks) from entering the country at all, probably within the next couple of days. I guess postponing the Olympics is finally letting them get serious.
米中韓から外国人入国拒否へ - Yahoo!ニュース
新型コロナウイルスの世界的な感染拡大を受け、日本政府は米国、中国、韓国の全土と、英国など欧州のほぼ全域からの外国人の入国を拒否する方針を固めた。水際対策を大幅に強化する。news.yahoo.co.jp
The only English article I could find mentions only the US, but the Japanese article cites all of the above countries as well as potentially some others in SE Asia and Africa.