DeepEnigma
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So that's why I kept hearing my friend's pad clicking like a mofo whenever I played Fortnite with her. I thought she was just being overly aggressive on the controller.
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Massive FTC Leak: Mid Gen Xbox Hardware, Series S/X Refreshes, New Controller, and Game Plans!
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Pro models are a relatively new concept in console gaming.
Everyone acting like it’s now a requirement because Sony put out a Pro to do 4K and MS essentially put out a new console because of the Xbox One being an underpowered flop - that’s annoying.
This obsession with Pro models and people pretending they are now 100% definitely required as if it’s some decades old rule in console gaming is really annoying.
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aclar00
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Not when 50,000 consoles breakdown and people want another console to play their disc based games
People have got to learn to stop interpreting old documents that have been leaked as if they’re official press releases. Nothing seen here is an announcement by MS, so it all needs to be placed in that context of “this was a possible plan, at one some point”.
You can have no idea what MS’ actual current plans are by looking at old documents. Companies change plans and strategies, sometimes repeatedly.
I’m not at all surprised to hear from Spencer today that these old documents don’t fully reflect MS current plans and that some of their strategy has changed since these were created.
Next time there’s a leak guys, please treat it as what it is: a leak showing a snapshot in time.
Everything in these documents could have been trashed in a change of strategy months or even weeks later.
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aclar00
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With you, my launch PS4 thankfully lasted the entire gen. Vant really see myself getting a pro...unless my kid wants a PS5 and i may just get the pro, bit thats even a pretty big if
Crayon
Member
I understand plans can change. Taking phil's word for is is hilarious given what we know about his trustworthiness, but I digress. The point is that it shows the ethos of the leadership. They seem to think they should be "the game company" for reasons and they just need to get the world to understand that truth. Eliminating competition would be in the best interest of everyone. Help them understand how great xbox is.
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Elder Legend
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What 50,000 consoles are you talking about? Grasping at straws I see.
killatopak
Member
It’s a consequence of longer generations.
Some people started whining about this crap as soon as the new consoles came out.
Some of you won’t be happy until we’ve got like a 2 year refresh cycle going, I swear. Yeah, let’s make consoles like smart phones, that’ll be great.
Jesus Christ is there a way to block every post that talks about Pro consoles? Give me a break.
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aclar00
Member
Yes i grasped with the figure
. I just imagine that electronic devices have some kind of failure rate. I just cant see myself having bought an Xbox Series X, bought 2 dozen disks based games over 4 years and then have little recourse to replace it or to even buy a second one for a kid or another room while the gen is still ongoing.Then again MSFT may make more money off of repairs?
KURDISTAN YPG
Member
Who knows? Maybe microsoft agree with sony on cod has to do with refresh gens must be all digital - sometimes most basic is the most successful
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pasterpl
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It is not what this slide says. lol.It is INSANE how many documents there are leaked. I am browsing and just found this gem.
HEY DONT WORRY GUYS, IF WE TAKE COD AWAY, PS WILL ONLY SELL 3% OF CONSOLES sales lol
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
People like to keep regurgitating this when its simply not true even from Sony's own mouths and have been linked here in these forums countless times
rofif
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ps could've forgone at least 3% of it's past console sales
Rocco Schiavone
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twilo99
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But everyone is assuming there won’t be .. I doubt that very much
Topher
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pasterpl
Member
You said above, which is incorrect. And responded with the below:
which is correct. They say that making COD exclusive could make 3% of gamers that play or plan to purchase ps5 buy Xbox instead. Nothing on the slide says that;
graywolf323
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they’re more likely to try to help cover it upyou have the usual suspects on Twitter doing exactly that already
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
clarky
Gold Member
Dude i have around 3000 plastic boxes in the loft that i "own" dating back to the 2600. Not touched them in years You know what would be awesome? If i could just play them at whim at the touch of a button.
If someone actually took away the software licence to a game I owned( has this ever happened?) and I was actually arsed id just grab the cracked version.
YOU PC BRO?!
Member
You seem to have completely missed the point. With digital only games you don’t have access to the licence. You can’t trade, sell or gift the licence to another party. You should be able to as you own it. This is anti consumer and deliberate on behalf of the platform holder. You keep obsessing over the convenience of digital and not the basic ownership rights you have sacrificed to have it. What I’m trying to say is that there is no reason we can’t have it both ways.
Fair enough. Now can we also agree that if a mega corporation wants to dominate an industry, floats the idea of buying a competing console manufacturer, and then buys Bethesda plus Activision, we shouldn't assume they gave up on the industry domination goal because of a tweet?
sachos
Member
Its insane they actually have a chance to pull this stunt again if things keep going as the leak suggest.
EDMIX
Member
Truth.
I wouldn't be shocked if their efforts to buy those publishers had to do with this push to all digital.
Anyone thinking that this is going to be convenient for customers needs to take a look at them COD prices on Steam lol
They want 1 market.
Don't be shocked if sales boil down to single digit days a year, don't be shocked at Overwatch 2 type shit where they remove 1 game to push the other, but this time with ANY type of game and don't be shocked that they magically remove that return policy.
I don't think people fully get the slippery slope that they are getting into.
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DeepEnigma
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What's the overall consensus in the 1 hour and 20 minutes?
Elder Legend
Banned
That's pretty funny.
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Rocco Schiavone
Member
Of course It's fake.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Listening now, Rich does mention he thinks the PS5 Pro (if real) will have around 3080 level real world performance
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Daneel Elijah
Gold Member
I did not see the video, so I probably lost most of the good bits. But I saw one segment close to the end and the question was If Sony can make a PS5 Pro at a good price and Xbox do not follow, then what?
Their answers are pretty amazing to listen to. You should try it is just a few minutes.
A 3080 level pro gen console wont accomplish much so I hope amd manages to accomplish something better than that 2 generations beyond ampere but knowing amd....sigh.
King Dazzar
Member
I only scanned a few moments. For me its a surprisingly pretty good take imo. In general they're bemused by MS and scratching their heads like the rest of us. Of course its expressed diplomatically.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Like they talk in the video though if Sony has that type of performance its literally priceless to be able to say without a doubt the best experience of playing 3rd party titles is on the PS5 Pro
Daneel Elijah
Gold Member
Halo product was said. Made me pretty hyped, even as I am already hyped for the PS5 Pro.
Most people have already deduced that the ps5 is an equal to the Series X we are almost 4 years into this gen and honestly overall its the lead platform for multiplatform games. A slight boost in resolution isn't going to be a strong argument to pay 600$ in this economic climate when ps5 is already dominating the console sales and is the defacto choice for most, the series x isn't the other option here really it has to distinguish itself well against the ps5 to target the enthusiast crowd who are all in on rt.
They need at least a 3080ti equivalent so that they can turn on comprehensive rt tech like gi/shadows while aiming for resolutions like 1440p making a clear distinction from the base console as there are diminishing returns to simple boosts in raster compute currently.
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DeepEnigma
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The consensus is that it will be in the 3080 ballpark with platform holder customizations to exploit the feature-set they want (like better RT) as
HeisenbergFX4
has been saying this entire time from what he's heard.It will also be well worth it if it's running the base PS5 quality (30fps) modes in 60fps.
Riky
$MSFT
The DF video, I've watched all about the Xbox stuff and they are up and down about the whole thing really.
Not happy about price, they think it should be cheaper.
Not happy about the removal of the optical drive.
Not happy about the move to 6nm, they think Xbox should be more aggressive.
More excited about the controller and it's cloud connection reducing latency.
They have some very interesting thoughts about the Next Box.
They don't see the point of making another machine like Sony, Xbox should lean more heavily into the PC market and they suggest go Nvidia, they also discuss the move to Arm and how BC could still be achievable maybe through the cloud.
To be fair anyone who thinks they are somehow paid by MS will not think so after watching this.
I think it would be a great topic to discuss, should Xbox ditch AMD?
Not happy about price, they think it should be cheaper.
Not happy about the removal of the optical drive.
Not happy about the move to 6nm, they think Xbox should be more aggressive.
More excited about the controller and it's cloud connection reducing latency.
They have some very interesting thoughts about the Next Box.
They don't see the point of making another machine like Sony, Xbox should lean more heavily into the PC market and they suggest go Nvidia, they also discuss the move to Arm and how BC could still be achievable maybe through the cloud.
To be fair anyone who thinks they are somehow paid by MS will not think so after watching this.
I think it would be a great topic to discuss, should Xbox ditch AMD?
West Texas CEO
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Even with customizations and improvements aka rdna4/3.5 I would be optimistic in claiming it would equal ampere in rt tech and ml, so if its limited in compute capability to a 3080 and is going to be hard pressed to match it in architecture its going to struggle aiming for higher resolutions/rt settings and 60 fps that level of gpu simply isnt going to achieve all of these things.The consensus is that it will be in the 3080 ballpark with platform holder customizations to exploit the feature-set they want (like better RT) as
It will also be well worth it if it's running the base PS5 quality (30fps) modes in 60fps.
Again this is my opinion but I seriously doubt simply maintaining ps5 settings and achieving 60fps is going to be a strong enough sales pitch for a premium console not to mention even consistent 60fps is going to be heavily dependent on a decent cpu upgrade looking at how next gen games are hammering the console cpus. So barring a significant upgrade in cpu tech the only real option to distinguish the console is going to a visual leap which I dont think will be that impressive if aiming for a 3080.
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Horseganador
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Going from the performance of an RTX 2070-2080 that the current PS5 has to something similar to an RTX3080 with better RT would be an absolutely great midgen console.
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DeepEnigma
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Rocco Schiavone
Member
3080 performance makes no ense.
Especially not If the rumors are true that the Strix Halo APU will be on 4070Q level.
Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
They are "100% required" if we're going to get another 7+ year-long gen.
asdasdasdbb
Member
People were saying 7700/7800 XT performance for the PS5 Pro... and the 3080 really isn't that far off from that.
Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
If it's 3080 level with FSR 3.0+ capabilities, I think that could be a considerable upgrade.
asdasdasdbb
Member
Again, the PS5 Pro is for 30 fps haters and not much else. It's not intended to be a generational upgrade.
It's totally understandable that MS doesn't want to spend the $200 million R&D plus try to sell a $600, $700 console just for that.
It's totally understandable that MS doesn't want to spend the $200 million R&D plus try to sell a $600, $700 console just for that.
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MisterXDTV
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But they were happy to do it in 2017....
What changed???
Also the prices you wrote are pure fiction
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