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Maxis is, yet again, removing basic features from new Sims 4
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spindoctor
Member
I hate this line of thought, although I admit it's correct in theory. The devs should do their goddamn job and deliver a full-featured game and not rely on some poor idiots with too much time on their hands and a burning desire to help others in their spare time for free.
Slightly relevant Jimquisition (around the three minute mark).
Its the exact same thing because EA will just add this type of stuff with the first few expansions.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
You need to talk to your GF and make her see the light.
Aquamarine
Member
Yeah, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the elements Maxis actually decides to include are awesome.
I really, really want to like The Sims 4...it's heartbreaking how that's becoming more and more difficult to do so as we learn more about it.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
No BURGLARS!?! Nope, I'm done. This game is just a huge disappointment.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Time to put Maxis in the ditch.
demosthenes
Member
It's ironic that Maxis is robbing you of your money (in the first expansion or so) to be robbed in game.
Aquamarine
Member
I really like the theme song:
http://simsvip.com/2014/08/04/creators-camp-exclusive-the-sims-4-theme-song/
That's something...right?
http://simsvip.com/2014/08/04/creators-camp-exclusive-the-sims-4-theme-song/
That's something...right?
Note: not defending this game, it looks like they tried to make it like SimCity but gutted it after the backlash and this is what's left. Disappointing. However, I'm probably still gonna buy it because I want to play a Sims game, and Sims 3 is broken. The game ran poorly regardless of your computer specs, the pathfinding was frustrating (invite sims over for a party, and watch them all leave because their needs depleted while they were traveling 8 hours to your house), and toying with mod settings (nraas, etc) felt like playing favorites with which bugs you could tolerate for certain performance & playability trade-offs. I know S4 will have bugs but it felt like Sims 3 just had a fundamentally broken infrastructure that they could never manage to fix, just add content to. The mods helped a ton but they also made the game crash a lot, at least for me.
Having to buy all the content as expansions is going to be ridiculous, but hopefully this time the core game won't be broken from the start and I can have some fun with it after a few sales.
Having to buy all the content as expansions is going to be ridiculous, but hopefully this time the core game won't be broken from the start and I can have some fun with it after a few sales.
it's kind of fascinating to see the difference between Maxis in 2014 and Firaxis in 2014
it's interesting because they're both kind of trying to do the same thing; open up their games to wider audiences by lowering the barrier to entry
the execution couldn't be more different, though. where firaxis lowers the barrier to entry but keeps the depth and complexity for pros, maxis is lowering the barrier to entry by removing the complexity altogether.
sad to see one of the most important developers of all time in this state. hopefully the sims 4 will be a relative flop and they'll see the error of their ways.
it's interesting because they're both kind of trying to do the same thing; open up their games to wider audiences by lowering the barrier to entry
the execution couldn't be more different, though. where firaxis lowers the barrier to entry but keeps the depth and complexity for pros, maxis is lowering the barrier to entry by removing the complexity altogether.
sad to see one of the most important developers of all time in this state. hopefully the sims 4 will be a relative flop and they'll see the error of their ways.
Aquamarine
Member
I think the difference is the leadership.
Sid Meier is still at Firaxis...we really see his influence shine through.
But Will Wright is no longer with Maxis. I know Spore got all messed up but...I miss him. :-(
Doubtful that this will flop, and if it does there will be no lesson learning. They'll be closed down.
serenewarfare
Banned
If Sims 4 flops, EA will blame the consumers and close Maxis. Literally no result could cause EA to "see the error of their ways".
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Even putting Sid aside, Firaxis has some great people working for it who have had leadership roles in producing/directing/designing games. Jake Solomon did awesome work on XCOM with Sid advising on the sidelines. I don't really see any Jakes over at Maxis.
How many modders would actually be interested in unborking TS4 when they've already spent years making TS3 fantastic?
I'm honestly seeing no reason to upgrade. TS3 gutted some features, but made things like cars from TS2 expansions baseline and some other expansion odds and ends - on top of create a style and the whole new town and neighborhood systems. It only got better as time went on, with features being patched into the base game.
TS4 adds... body sliders? Which can already be modded into TS3? I'm just not seeing the benefit if it adds nothing to the base experience and they're gonna nickel and dime every gutted feature back in. There's not even going to be a good meltdown since there's no always online functionality to be broken from the start.
I'm honestly seeing no reason to upgrade. TS3 gutted some features, but made things like cars from TS2 expansions baseline and some other expansion odds and ends - on top of create a style and the whole new town and neighborhood systems. It only got better as time went on, with features being patched into the base game.
TS4 adds... body sliders? Which can already be modded into TS3? I'm just not seeing the benefit if it adds nothing to the base experience and they're gonna nickel and dime every gutted feature back in. There's not even going to be a good meltdown since there's no always online functionality to be broken from the start.
The same thing could've been said about TS3 and the core community will more than likely move over and make mods.
I still prefer the theme from 3, haha!
This is Willow Creek. All of it(from what I can gather on the official Sims forum)
Amazing. So many missing things that existed even in TS1 but we're supposed to ignore it because "EMOTIONS!"
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Wow... that neighborhood is so small... also it lacks detail. Like some shit from mobile.
So this world and the other one are connected right? Where you can move between them easy? I suppose thats fine. I read a article on jobs and seeing the emotions effect your jobs more just seem good. Sigh I cant wait to watch the simmers I follow play the game least i'll get to see how they react to it.
I can't believe how much of a downgrade this is... I played bugger all Sims 3 but enjoyed it. No create a style, open world, or community lots is insanity. There's no excuse for it, zero. "Not enough time" isn't a fucking excuse, don't release it until the content is in! This seriously blows my mind. If it's EA causing this shit, I hope the game crashes and burns and I really feel sorry for Maxis. If it's Maxis, fuck them.
EA knows exactly what it wants - maximum return on investment, which means pushing their customers as much as they can to pay for additional content. That's what they'll learn, not how to take care of your fan base.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Reading this thread really just makes me want to play Sims 3 more.
"Obviously, we didn't innovate enough."
They already do that now and it works so they would just assume that Maxis is done or something.
MarcoZombieCannon
Member
Looks like I'll need to finally just buy all The Sims 3 stuff on Steam when it's on sale again. (Although I do want this just based on it being the sims alone, there's too much going on here for me to do that.)
lololol, Maxis: "EA sent us to hell, but we're going even deeper."
Sephiroth87
Member
Wasn't it "we innovated too much but you weren't ready"?
Pakoe
Member
This is Willow Creek. All of it(from what I can gather on the official Sims forum)
LOL, wat?
peanutbutterlatte
Member
It's like they took one of the feature-starved, shrunk down console ports of Sims 3 and tried to sell it as a sequel.
Is that really a huge disappointment...really? They basically existed to force you to buy burglar alarms and that was it. In fact they seemed so rare in The Sims 3 that I think i've seen them once or twice throughout all my playtime (I own all the expansions). If I didn't read this I don't think I'd have even noticed their absence.
I really hope it's the proper expansion model, like every other Sims. Their expansions are genuine expansions with a lot of content, old-school PC style. That's how expansions/DLC should be. Granted there was a lot of them, but you can grab them so cheap even at launch if you know where to look!
Whilst it's easy to focus on the missing bits (just like any Sims release), there's some positives. They're actively supporting modding from day 1 by the looks of things, something which is pretty damn rare in today's market.
A.D. Skinner
Member
Bye bye Miss. Burglar!
I'm sure the game will still be great fun to play but they've not done a very good job of selling it!
I'm sure the game will still be great fun to play but they've not done a very good job of selling it!
Seeing the game in this sorry state hurts even more after recently going back to the Sims 2 and remembering what good fun the game was, thanks to the Ultimate Collection.
Well, outside of the base game, I missed out on the Sims 3-era games, so I guess I can try those ones while observing what becomes of the Sims 4. We live in an age where it's easier to express your opinion on something like this, so maybe enough feedback will convince them to fix what's wrong with the game, albeit likely post-launch if at all. Either way, I'm sure I'll want to try it eventually, someday...
Well, outside of the base game, I missed out on the Sims 3-era games, so I guess I can try those ones while observing what becomes of the Sims 4. We live in an age where it's easier to express your opinion on something like this, so maybe enough feedback will convince them to fix what's wrong with the game, albeit likely post-launch if at all. Either way, I'm sure I'll want to try it eventually, someday...
The_Endgamer
Member
Ha! And game companies wonder why their sales aren't meeting expectations.
spindoctor
Member
I agree, and I'm not buying the game. Just pointing out that those who still do can at least have some hope that modders will make their experience better.
Did you watched the gameplay videos (page 15 or 16) ?
Because, imo, they didn't look smarter at all...
Such a downgrade...