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[Cooter]

It's official, Nintendo has passed the torch back to Sony. DS is dead and the Wii finally lost its gimick.

Welcome back to the natural order of things. Long live the Sony......Here, here for Playstations.

Nice try Nindendorks.

 

[Sharp]

"Dead" is 70k a week now?

The Wii is in serious trouble but I find it hard to believe that anyone really thinks the PSP is going to have sustained sales like this.

 

[DefectiveReject]

Maybe Nintendo wanted to let Sony feel a bit better.
I mean a few weeks until any new BIG releases. Maybe they got bored of being on top?

"Dead" is 70k a week now?

Nope, just the DS set a VERY high bar.

The Wii is in serious trouble but I find it hard to believe that anyone really thinks the PSP is going to have sustained sales like this.

How?
If Wii is in trouble what position are the PS3 and 360 in?

 

[NomarTyme]

I thought it was obvious sarcasm on Cooter part.

 

[Sharp]

I thought it was obvious sarcasm on Cooter part.

It was for him, but there are other people who are actually arguing that point.

And yes, of course the Wii is selling better than the 360 and PS3, but it's still selling kind of like crap.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

I think it's more like Japan is just running out of people to sell Wiis to. *shrugs*

It has a population of over 100 million and 20 million PS2s were sold there.

Whoa! That's just sick.

 

[Sharp]

It has a population of over 100 million and 20 million PS2s were sold there.

 

[Polari]

If Wii is in trouble what position are the PS3 and 360 in?

Completely fucked.

Nintendo had better get to work on Nintencats for Wii though. Is Wii Fit still scheduled for this year in Japan?

 

[NomarTyme]

It was for him, but there are other people who are actually arguing that point.

And yes, of course the Wii is selling better than the 360 and PS3, but it's still selling kind of like crap.

I don't see it.

 

[DefectiveReject]

It was for him, but there are other people who are actually arguing that point.

And yes, of course the Wii is selling better than the 360 and PS3, but it's still selling kind of like crap.

How is 25,000 units at a particularly quiet time of year with no big software release crap??

PLease explain rather than stating a retarded self indulgant comment

Completely fucked.

Nintendo had better get to work on Nintencats for Wii though. Is Wii Fit still scheduled for this year in Japan?

Yeah
Wii-Fit
Mario Galaxy
Smash Bros Brawl
all this year, and people think Wii is in trouble.......................... :lol :lol

 

[ITA84]

If Wii is in trouble what position are the PS3 and 360 in?

Disregarding those other two consoles' performance, if Wii sales are still going down (albeit slower now) and have yet to level off, it's a sign that something's missing, and we know it can't be supplies.
Among the upcoming games in Japan, WiiFit looks like to be the only one that would grant the Wii substained sales (like Brain Training for DS); it's a gamble I thought Nintendo wouldn't take a second time.

But I guess Sony is making it easier for Nintendo to take their chances: with their market lead, they could probably afford to go on with subpar sales for a while, even up to an Animal Crossing game coming out. And who knows, maybe Mario Galaxy and SSBB could do wonders for the system.
But if Nintendo is aiming for market expansion, WiiFit failing isn't an option in my opinion.

 

[DefectiveReject]

Disregarding those other two consoles' performance, if Wii sales are still going down (albeit slower now) and have yet to level off, it's a sign that something's missing, and we know it can't be supplies.
Among the upcoming games in Japan, WiiFit looks like to be the only one that would grant the Wii substained sales (like Brain Training for DS); it's a gamble I thought Nintendo wouldn't take a second time.

But I guess Sony is making it easier for Nintendo to take their chances: with their market lead, they could probably afford to go on with subpar sales for a while, even up to an Animal Crossing game coming out. And who knows, maybe Mario Galaxy and SSBB could do wonders for the system.
But if Nintendo is aiming for market expansion, WiiFit failing isn't an option in my opinion.

Seriously. You are questioning whether Galaxy or Smash will help Wii sales????

Also Wii sales are still high

JoshuaJSloane needs to come in here and show us PS2's average sales this time into it's release

 

[Sharp]

DefectiveReject, it's pretty crap when you consider how long it took the PS2 to get down to 20k a week without supply constraint. It is also pretty crap compared to the weeks before the Wii suddenly became a not-hot item, and it's pretty crap in the same sense that the PS3 was crap when it went down to 20k a week. If this were a one-week thing, which I initially thought, it wouldn't matter so much, but these constantly lowering sales aren't exactly reassuring as to that point. What the hell is self-indulgent about saying that? Do you think I want to see the Wii fail in Japan? It's my console of choice.

 

[Cooter]

I'll end the suspense. Of course I was being sarcastic. I have to respond to this:

Disregarding those other two consoles' performance, if Wii sales are still going down (albeit slower now) and have yet to level off, it's a sign that something's missing, and we know it can't be supplies.
Among the upcoming games in Japan, WiiFit looks like to be the only one that would grant the Wii substained sales (like Brain Training for DS); it's a gamble I thought Nintendo wouldn't take a second time.

But I guess Sony is making it easier for Nintendo to take their chances: with their market lead, they could probably afford to go on with subpar sales for a while, even up to an Animal Crossing game coming out. And who knows, maybe Mario Galaxy and SSBB could do wonders for the system.
But if Nintendo is aiming for market expansion, WiiFit failing isn't an option in my opinion.

Four words, New Super Mario Bros. You seem to think Mario has no ability to move consoles. Not only is the next Super Mario Bros in a highly successful, 20 year franchise coming out but it's fighting spinoff, Super Smash Bros is also being release 1 month later. Considering that Smash Bros. is now outselling the traditional Mario's, I think your entire post should be deleted.

 

[cvxfreak]

DefectiveReject, it's pretty crap when you consider how long it took the PS2 to get down to 20k a week without supply constraint. It is also pretty crap compared to the weeks before the Wii suddenly became a not-hot item, and it's pretty crap in the same sense that the PS3 was crap when it went down to 20k a week. If this were a one-week thing, which I initially thought, it wouldn't matter so much, but these constantly lowering sales aren't exactly reassuring as to that point. What the hell is self-indulgent about saying that? Do you think I want to see the Wii fail in Japan? It's my console of choice.

PS2 fell below 20K in its 35th week.

 

[Sharp]

PS2 fell below 20K in its 35th week.

But it was supply-constrained, was it not? I was under the impression that Sony was diverting shipments to other territories at that point.

 

[DefectiveReject]

DefectiveReject, it's pretty crap when you consider how long it took the PS2 to get down to 20k a week without supply constraint. It is also pretty crap compared to the weeks before the Wii suddenly became a not-hot item, and it's pretty crap in the same sense that the PS3 was crap when it went down to 20k a week. If this were a one-week thing, which I initially thought, it wouldn't matter so much, but these constantly lowering sales aren't exactly reassuring as to that point. What the hell is self-indulgent about saying that? Do you think I want to see the Wii fail in Japan? It's my console of choice.

first off it aint crap.
The PS3 sales of 20,000 WERE crap as it was a new Playstation and should of been selling what the Wii WAS doing. The thing also with PS3 sales is they hit 20,000 and kept sliding.

Aside PSP (Which only has a bump due to a new unit and a BIG game) all hardware has been on a slide the last few weeks. People are just back to school, finished summer holidays and preparing for Xmas.
Why would you buy your kid a PS3/Wii/DS now with Xmas around the corner?

The thing is Wii will jump back to those numbers very shortly and stay there.
Mario, Smash, Wii-Fit, Animal Crossing, Mario Kart and more on the way in the next few months will start of the next wave of Wii sales.
The DS had a similar sort of ride, out of the gates, slowed down and then WHAM.
For the DS and Wii to start slowing down at EXACTLY the same time, seems a bit odd to me. Maybe stock Japan wide is low? Maybe Nintendo aren't pushing them so much at the moment. Maybe you know its a quiet time of year for sales.

 

[cvxfreak]

But it was supply-constrained, was it not? I was under the impression that Sony was diverting shipments to other territories at that point.

You're completely right actually.

 

[DefectiveReject]

But it was supply-constrained, was it not? I was under the impression that Sony was diverting shipments to other territories at that point.

And they aren't doing this with Wii?
All reports say Wii sales are up in USA and Europe, and everywhere i go at the moment, Wii in main is out of stock, you'll find one in your day but it'll likely be a forced bundle.

 

[KyanMehwulfe]

Nice PSP numbers. I'm grabbing a Slim in early October when FFT releases.

 

[Sharp]

And they aren't doing this with Wii?
All reports say Wii sales are up in USA and Europe, and everywhere i go at the moment, Wii in main is out of stock, you'll find one in your day but it'll likely be a forced bundle.

It's not. Supply-constrained. In. Fucking. Japan.

We've been over this.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

Nice PSP numbers. I'm grabbing a Slim in early October when FFT releases.

Ditto.

 

[DefectiveReject]

It's not. Supply-constrained. In. Fucking. Japan.

We've been over this.

I haven't.
And i didn't say it was, only it may be.

 

[Cooter]

It's not. Supply-constrained. In. Fucking. Japan.

We've been over this.

I don't know what's going on but it's amusing that sales in the US have went up almost at the excat time Japanese sales went down. When you also take into account that Europe doesn't have a very reliable source of tracking it is atleast plausible. You need to relax. I very rarely see a need to drop an F bomb on the gaming forum.

 

[Sharp]

Ask any of the JGAFers here how hard it is to find a Wii. Ask Vinnk if you must.

 

[cvxfreak]

I haven't.
And i didn't say it was, only it may be.

Not at all. Not at all.

If I wanted to buy 100 Wii systems right now, I could easily do so here in Japan. That goes double for the DS Lite.

 

[DefectiveReject]

Ask any of the JGAFers here how hard it is to find a Wii. Ask Vinnk if you must.

Anecdotal evidence FTW!!!

ZOMG Wii sold out in my local game store....... WORLDWIDE SELL OUT CONFIRMED

Not at all. Not at all.

If I wanted to buy 100 Wii systems right now, I could easily do so here in Japan. That goes double for the DS Lite.

Bring em to Europe. We're all sold out!

 

[Sharp]

Anecdotal evidence FTW!!!

ZOMG Wii sold out in my local game store....... WORLDWIDE SELL OUT CONFIRMED

There is not a single GAFer in Japan who has had any trouble finding a Wii in recent weeks. There is a report from Kotaku and from various other sources. How much data do you need?

 

[cvxfreak]

Bring em to Europe. We're all sold out!

People are already doing that for other Asian countries actually.

 

[Fafalada]

PS2 fell below 20K in its 35th week.

PS2 was going through pretty nasty supply issues for most of the first year, they failed to get their 180nm production online by the US/Euro launch, which basically shredded their production capacity at that time (not to even mention they lost more money on transition).

 

[Lobster]

Wii needs games..now! Hurry your ass up Mario!

 

[cvxfreak]

From last week's MC thread. It's like that at every store.

PS2 was going through pretty nasty supply issues for most of the first year, they failed to get their 180nm production online by the US/Euro launch, which basically shredded their production capacity at that time (not to even mention they lost more money on transition).

"Production issues" is no excuse. Wii had production issues all year, really.

 

[reilo]

Anecdotal evidence FTW!!!

ZOMG Wii sold out in my local game store....... WORLDWIDE SELL OUT CONFIRMED



Bring em to Europe. We're all sold out!

From last week's MC thread. It's like that at every store.



"Production issues" is no excuse. Wii had production issues all year, really.

Anecdotal, meet photographic evidence!

 

[DefectiveReject]

There is not a single GAFer in Japan who has had any trouble finding a Wii in recent weeks. There is a report from Kotaku and from various other sources. How much data do you need?

I didn't deny there was.

120m Japanese peeps Vs GAF !

Anway who gives a shit Wii sells like shit (As you say) yet still doubles PS3 sales. Guess Home consoles are in trouble in Japan.

And when Mario and Wii Fit hit, every single one of those Wii's will most likely disappear so if you can buy 100 CVX buy them now and store them til Xmas, then sit outside a big store and sell them

Anecdotal, meet photographic evidence!

Objection.
Photographic meet spin off demand

 

[zallaaa]

I wonder how many week could the PSP keep the first position. I don't think it will last for a long time, but maybe a coulple of weeks it could.

 

[apujanata]

Not at all. Not at all.

If I wanted to buy 100 Wii systems right now, I could easily do so here in Japan. That goes double for the DS Lite.

The big question is : Will Wii still be as available as today when SMG & SSBB hit Japan ? Everyone think not. Will everyone be right, or will some surprise happen ?

If Wii is not sold out during this period, there is a valid reason for Nintendo to hit the "panic" button.

I wonder how many week could the PSP keep the first position. I don't think it will last for a long time, but maybe a coulple of weeks it could.

I am thinking around 2 weeks - 4 weeks. If DS can get 100K+ again, then it is closer to 2 weeks. If DS still only managed 70K+, then it is closer to 4 weeks. I think Nintendo can start re-allocating some of their DSL production capacity to produce Wii. Nintendo can safely reduce their 2.5 Million / month DSL production to 2.0 Million/month, and still maintain healthy DSL stock for Nov and Dec. (IMO).

 

[Fafalada]

"Production issues" is no excuse. Wii had production issues all year, really.

Not compared to PS2 back then - Nintendo makes probably close to 1M/month, PS2 in month 10 was lucky to produce 200k (ok I'm pulling that out of my ass, but they missed their shipment targets for US/Euro by a factor of nearly 4).

 

[reilo]

Anway who gives a shit Wii sells like shit (As you say)

It seems like that you care more-so than anyone else in this thread...

 

[Lobster]

It seem as if Nintendo think they've won Japan and instead are trying to winning US and Europe.

 

[cvxfreak]

Not compared to PS2 back then - Nintendo makes probably close to 1M/month, PS2 in month 10 was lucky to produce 200k (ok I'm pulling that out of my ass, but they missed their shipment targets for US/Euro by a factor of nearly 4).

If you can't meet demand, it's technically a production issue as well. They're just two very different kinds.

Anywho, DefectiveReject is right about these Wii systems. They're eventually going to sell. We have proof in this very same thread that systems will eventually reach low points for whatever reason and will bounce back up under the right circumstances.

 

[Moor-Angol]

Wii > PS3 + PS2 + 360


so... WHERE is the problem ?

 

[apujanata]

Wii > PS3 + PS2 + 360


so... WHERE is the problem ?

The problem is that the quotation used to be "Wii > PS3 + PS2 + 360 + PSP"

 

[Lobster]

The problem is that the quotation used to be "Wii > PS3 + PS2 + 360 + PSP"

Well im sure if Wii had FF7:CC2 and a redesign at the moment..well lets just say it would be more then 277k.

 

[Aeris130]

Wii > PS3 + PS2 + 360


so... WHERE is the problem ?

whu, it's right there!

 

[Cooter]

The problem is that the quotation used to be "Wii > PS3 + PS2 + 360 + PSP"

Let me get this straight. The problem is the Wii is not outselling 4 systems. Three is just unacceptable.

Okie dokie.

 

[cvxfreak]

The big question is : Will Wii still be as available as today when SMG & SSBB hit Japan ? Everyone think not. Will everyone be right, or will some surprise happen ?

If Wii is not sold out during this period, there is a valid reason for Nintendo to hit the "panic" button.

Game systems will almost always increase in sales during the holidays, and especially when the right software is released. So, those systems will be gone eventually.

Being sold out on the other hand is a different issue. If Nintendo ships 300K Wii in a week and sell 250K, meaning stores will have 50K by the end of the week ready to carry over to next week in addition to huge restocks, will people still deem that unimpressive? Doubt it.

 

[SouthernDragon]

Nintendo...

Well, you know. It was nice. While it lasted.

 

[Laguna]

It´s nice to see so many new faces in a media-create thread.

PSP mcreate hardware numbers are as good as yesterdays Famitsu´s. It will be interesting to see what PSP sales will look like the following weeks and even mor interesting to see PSPs software sales.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

Famitsu Sept 10-16

8. WII Wii Sports 14026 / 1981941

12. WII Wii Play 12402 / 1549123

18. PS3 Bladestorm 11400 / 96346

Wait up... The powerhouse franchise of Wii Sports only managed to outsell Bladestorm PS3 by a mere 2,626 copies, even though the Wii is outselling PS3 by over a 2:1 ratio?

WTF?

In a week of crazy numbers, that's the craziest number to me...

 

[AdventureRacing]

Wait up... The powerhouse franchise of Wii Sports only managed to outsell Bladestorm PS3 by a mere 2,626 copies, even though the Wii is outselling PS3 by over a 2:1 ratio?

WTF?

In a week of crazy numbers, that's the craziest number to me...

Maybe it's got something to do with wii sports and blade storm's LTD?