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Media Create Sales: July 20-26, 2009
- Thread starter Captain Smoker
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Road said:
I don't really think any hardware manufacturer can really depend on ONE game to be some sort of system selling messiah. That's never how it works, and we all KNOW this, but yet people keep bringing it up. Big brand franchises for the core audience will always sell big, and there will obviously be a hardware bump for the week, but it's never amazing or game changing. I expect that with a good LE bundle, FF being a RPG series with crazy fans who love spending money will probably give the PS3 a decent boost, but again that should never be taken as a huge expansion of the actual user base, because there's no telling how many people are simply buying a second console because it looks cool enough to collect.
Pureauthor
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caligula13 said:
I... what?
caligula13
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Pureauthor said:
i wasn't talking to you.
Pureauthor
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caligula13 said:
Okay. But now I am talking (typing) to you.
What does the performance of MGS4 have to do with Monster Hunter 3's performance?
BishopLamont
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You forgot FFXIII?caligula13 said:
cvxfreak said:
This will be the interesting thing to me- is it going to behave like the typical front loaded blockbuster and not even double its first week, or is it going to show legs typical of the series on the PSP. You seem to think it will be more similar to the portable entries, correct?
schuelma said:
It's somewhere in-between really. It's not expected to be insane like the portable entries, but it will have some legs. It's more of a multiplayer/collection-driven game than a story based game, and these titles always do well if good word of mouth over a longer period of time.
caligula13
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Pureauthor said:
i am just comparing the success of a big IP from a 3rd party on PS3 with one on Wii
cvxfreak said:
I was actually thinking it would be close to 100k for the week though, so ... it's still a bit under that and I thought I was being conservative. Is there a chance that people bought the game and not a Wii for whatever reason? Or is it mostly just the fact that even the MH fanbase has access to Wii systems already?
caligula13
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Frillen said:
explain me why?
Vinci said:
That's what is a bit surprising to me. It's a great number for two days but I thought that a significant number of the buyers would not have Wii systems already. From the pure numbers, that doesn't seem to be the case. Or maybe they all bought used systems, I don't know.
caligula13
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BishopLamont said:
back from the future, my friend?
caligula13 said:
It's very simple. Not all games and brands are made alike, and comparing them directly to state a general overall point is ridiculous and unfounded. Metal Gear Solid is a series which has consistently sold 700-800k in Japan for all the 4 entries. There isn't much growth in the fanbase, mostly because it is largely story driven, and that alienates fans which did not pick up the earlier entries of the series.
Monster Hunter on the other hand, is an emerging IP in recent years, and really only caught on and started becoming massively popular at around the release of Monster Hunter Portable and Monster Hunter 2. Hence it is a growing brand, as evidenced by the larger and larger sales of each new PSP entry. It is not unusual at all to see this popularity make a jump in the sales between Monster Hunter 2 and Monster Hunter 3, we all expected this.
If anything, this proves that yes, the Wii is a viable platform for third party brands with good production values and good marketing. It does not prove that every single brand would automatically do better on the Wii, or that the PS3 is not able to get good sales for good third party efforts.
Road said:
Oh I'm saying you are in particular. I'm just saying it's silly to realistically expect any one software to have a HUGE impact on the sales of a console. If anything, I was saying that hopefully Sony isn't playing the "Wait for..." card themselves, because that would reek of bad, bad business tactics. Oh wait, it's Sony...
Captain Smoker
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Famitsu Sales: 07/27 - 08/02
BattleMonkey
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botticus said:
That's some serious jumping to conclusions
Wow, I'm pretty surprised Gears of War 2 managed to sell 48k. That's pretty impressive considering the fact that the release is long overdue, and even rumored to not be coming at the time of the game's release in the US. Considering the US version was region free, and how some stores in Akiba don't seem to have any qualms about selling "UNCUT" 360 games imported from the US, I would have thought the super hardcore fanbase in Japan would all have the game already...
Yes, I agree with this as well. I don't think MH3 would be able to do this well on the PS3 at all. But like I said, MH does not represent all other franchises.
Sipowicz said:
Yes, I agree with this as well. I don't think MH3 would be able to do this well on the PS3 at all. But like I said, MH does not represent all other franchises.
test_account
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I know that you edited your post, but out of curiousity, regarding what you wrote before you edited, why doesnt the PS3 need big third party games? (i think that is what you wrote at least)donny2112 said:
Ye, i think it is worth mentioning that Monster Hunter 3 first week's sales would probably have been higher if MH3 was released on a Thursday (which is a day that games in Japan usually are released on) compared to when MH3 was released on a Saturday as other people also have mentioned before meMr. Pointy said:
Monster Hunter 3 did sell more than MGS4 in it's first week and both MH3 and MGS4 are 3rd party games, that is true, so in this way i guess you can say that it is confirmed that 3rd party games of real quality sells better on the Wii than on the PS3 in Japan. But, Monster Hunter and Metal Gear Solid are 2 different series, and the Monster Hunter serie seems to be more popular (at least when it comes to the handheld (PSP) Monster Hunter games) at the moment compared to the Metal Gear Solid serie, so it might be a chance that Monster Hunter games might have a bigger chance to sell more than Metal Gear Solid games, regardless on which platforms/consoles the games are being released on.caligula13 said:
To get a more accurate confirmation about which system between the Wii and the PS3 that would sell most copies of a 3rd party game of real quality, i would say that this 3rd party game(s) would have to be released at the same day both for the Wii and for the PS3
EDIT: I see now that people have already answered on this
The Wii hardware sales was at 93k this week, which is about 70k more consoles compared to last week. Isnt it hard to know how many of these 93k Wii hardware sales that were people who already owned a Wii before and how many people who bought a Wii console for the first time this week? The MH3 hardware bundle and the black colored Wii was released on a Saturday. Had they been released on a Thursday instead (which is a more normal day when games gets released on in Japan), maybe the hardware sales would have been higherRoad said:
caligula13
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duckroll said:
this i like. enough with all that bomba shit.
slaughterking
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Dug out PSP hardware sales when the respective Monster Hunter games launched (hardware sales of the previews week are in brackets):
Monster Hunter Freedom - 78,635 (53,771)
Monster Hunter Freedom 2 - 93,523 (37,202)
Monster Hunter Portable 2 G - 139,345 (66,092)
Monster Hunter Freedom - 78,635 (53,771)
Monster Hunter Freedom 2 - 93,523 (37,202)
Monster Hunter Portable 2 G - 139,345 (66,092)
BattleMonkey
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We wouldn't know how MH3 on PS3 would have done, people were making assumptions that MH3 on Wii wouldn't have done so well for Christs sake. Can't really compare it to anything else. Large boost of Wii sales, could it have done similar for PS3?
schuelma said:
Oh I don't think it would do badly on the PS3, but I definitely think it will do BETTER on the Wii. Of course there's no way to ultimately prove this, but I think the lower cost of the Wii in Japan, along with the already high installed base, definitely makes the game a more viable platform for people from the PSP fanbase crossing over to pick up their first console MH sequel.
caligula13
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BattleMonkey said:
i think that was a joke
duckroll said:
I figured there were enough exceptions to what I wrote that it just would've caused more problems than it was worth. I still found it to be an interesting flip, though.
test_account said:I know that you edited your post, but out of curiousity, regarding what you wrote before you edited, why doesnt the PS3 need big third party games? (i think that is what you wrote at least)
The idea was that you're less likely to make back your budget by putting your game on the non-market leading consoles, so it may be better to focus on side games/spinoffs to make back your investment. As I said above, there are enough exceptions (Yakuza 3 being one) to that idea that it probably wasn't worth leaving it out there. I still found it an interesting complement to Sohter.Nura's statement, though.
test_account
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Monster Hunter 3 might be over 600k in the Media Create numbers thoughRoad said:
caligula13
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test_account said:
ok, i understand. but explain me why do people say Wii doesn't sell software without looking at the quality of this software?
caligula13 said:
Because some people are dumb? I mean there's really no better answer than that. What you are describing is a stupid unfounded comment which we have been shooting down for at least a year now in every Media Create thread. You're new, so I don't know if you read the threads weekly before you got approved, but I think most of us regularly posting on sales threads here know why Wii third party games sell badly in general. It's a vicious cycle of poor spinoffs and weak efforts getting crappy sales because a) they look bad, b) first party software looks way better.
BattleMonkey said:
The MH fanbase is basically going to follow the series anywhere they have to, just like the MGS crowd followed that franchise from PS2 to PS3 without hesitation. So the core fanbase is going to be there eventually so long as the game isn't completely worthless. I think the Wii's userbase size gives the series the chance to expand to a larger group of players though than it would have on the PS3. But that's just a guess.