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Media Create Sales: Week 10, 2013 (Mar 04 - Mar 10)
- Thread starter Chris1964
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In Japan I would say that 3rd parties were overwhelmingly responsible for the PS3's recovery.
Risk Breaker
Member
Dat Vita and dat Soul Sacrifice!! I hope it has great word of mouth and good legs 
RyougaSaotome
Member
Quite good actually. It's sold out in a lot of places. I'm wondering what sort of sell through we're going to see on this.
I'd also be very interested in knowing the digital sales too.
Something over 200 000.
frankie_baby
Member
What the 3ds cut week? About 200k
test_account
XP-39C²
Sure, but my point was not to argue that Vita will have a similar success as the PSP. My point was that eventhough something wont outsell another system, it doesnt mean that the less selling system cant be successful. And example of this is the PSP, a system that sold over 10 million less systems compared to the DS, yet the PSP saw great success. Not saying that will happen to the Vita, but being the highest selling system isnt always necessary to have success.
Hehe, well, he probably ment fine as in "great/amazing"I love how he assumes it sold 1 mil at launch and calls it fine lol
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Which is why Sony need to pay Capcom to tear up their contract with Nintendo and make MHP4 exclusive to Vita. It will cost a shit load of money but it would basically resurrect Vita as a gaming force in Japan. People would be forced to buy Vita and if they made the release of MHP4 with a Vita Lite system that was more pocketable and cheaper then the cost to Sony will be worth it.
When franchises like GTA, MH, KH, GOW, SF and GT means a console COULD stand a chance, something up.
Vita situation is much more desperate though.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
I thought PS3 hardware will do much better now that Miku was out.
214k, about. And that was with little software backing it up (I think? I don't remember very well).
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I echo cvxfreak; Soul Sacrifice did okay not great, Vita hardware is promising.
I actually think that worldwide the PSV has a better shot at resurrection than inside Japan for several reasons.
Most notably is the fact that Sony's own strongest IP are more geared towards Western tastes and I think that the inevitable God of War/Uncharted 2 Vita/Gran Turismo/Killzone, etc. will do more for the Vita in places other than Japan. I also look at games like AC:3 Liberation selling over 600k worldwide (which evidently Ubi was pretty pleased with) and see that even in it's first year the Vita can be a profitable place for a major third party game done decently well.
I also note the the software data provided in last week's thread that showed although the PS3 and PSV were in about the same place HW wise for their first year on the market the PSV appears to be healthier in terms of software and that's most likely because it's much easier and cheaper to develop for. That can only help it going forward.
I also think there's an "X" factor with the Vita that we won't have great data on until later in this year. That "X" factor is the PS3/PSV dual release of some decently major titles like next week's One Piece Musou and the upcoming FFX HD. I don't expect these types of releases to grow the install base but I do expect them to sell decent numbers and at least keep the platform viable. And with Japan being so handheld centric I have to wonder how the split between the 2 platforms will ultimately break down.
And then there's the PS4 factor and if that will have any effect whatsoever. Sony has some cool ideas but the implementation will make or break them.
So yes, I think resurrection is still a distinct possibility, especially worldwide. The next few months into E3 should be pretty telling as far as what kind of support the Vita will or won't get. If there's a distinct lack of notable announcements then I'd say death or at least life support is a foregone conclusion.
Most notably is the fact that Sony's own strongest IP are more geared towards Western tastes and I think that the inevitable God of War/Uncharted 2 Vita/Gran Turismo/Killzone, etc. will do more for the Vita in places other than Japan. I also look at games like AC:3 Liberation selling over 600k worldwide (which evidently Ubi was pretty pleased with) and see that even in it's first year the Vita can be a profitable place for a major third party game done decently well.
I also note the the software data provided in last week's thread that showed although the PS3 and PSV were in about the same place HW wise for their first year on the market the PSV appears to be healthier in terms of software and that's most likely because it's much easier and cheaper to develop for. That can only help it going forward.
I also think there's an "X" factor with the Vita that we won't have great data on until later in this year. That "X" factor is the PS3/PSV dual release of some decently major titles like next week's One Piece Musou and the upcoming FFX HD. I don't expect these types of releases to grow the install base but I do expect them to sell decent numbers and at least keep the platform viable. And with Japan being so handheld centric I have to wonder how the split between the 2 platforms will ultimately break down.
And then there's the PS4 factor and if that will have any effect whatsoever. Sony has some cool ideas but the implementation will make or break them.
So yes, I think resurrection is still a distinct possibility, especially worldwide. The next few months into E3 should be pretty telling as far as what kind of support the Vita will or won't get. If there's a distinct lack of notable announcements then I'd say death or at least life support is a foregone conclusion.
Father_Brain
Banned
You said that it would "it would take games like GTA and CoD to fix the system" in the West, which I took to mean that you see quality spinoffs of console franchises aimed at males 17-30 as a necessary, fundamental component of that ecosystem. Not sure what I'm misunderstanding here.
test_account
XP-39C²
I see, my mistake. Since you mentioned how long it would take to outsell the 3DS, i thought you ment regarding the race who will sell the most hardware.
It won't happen. It has almost 0 chance of happening...
If you take a look at it, it makes a hell of a lot more sense for Capcom to release their game exclusive to the 3DS than multiplatform (or exclusive) with the Vita.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
We will never be able to figure out the legs for games like this, as the Vita has a strong Downloadable presence, with many titles splitting or favoring digital distribution as far as sales. As PSO can attest to
We, PS Vita users, really know 3DS is way too far on sales worldwide... and we are OK with that (I have a 3DS too, but I only have it for Atlus games).
We only know PS Vita sell well because that means third-parties will support the console in the future, so we are really happy with this news.
That's it.
Problem is, there are many Vita haters on this forum and well... they have declared Vita dead a lot of times... so it's really good to make fun of them right now.
frankie_baby
Member
Do Sony have a spare 100 million bucks or so to give capcom?
I saw the video of it..
http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Fireworks_41bf04_622325.gif
and wauw at Vita sales..now cut the price even more in the rest of the world...
I don't see Sony "desperate" at all...
Yeah, the similarity is interesting in that once the PS3 started losing or not gaining exclusives, Sony went nuts with making new IP. At the start of the PS3's life they had very little but now they have a substantial arsenal of IPs and developers going into the PS4.
Wonder how similar the scenario will be for the Vita. They are already off to a good start with Gravity Daze and Soul Sacrifice but they need to do more.
The Vita won't come anywhere near 3DS hardware sales but the latest numbers show that as long as good games come the system does sell and it can carve out a niche for itelf, existing with the 3DS side by side.
LOOKS like I did. Whoops.
Well, 100k still isn't bad. The game DID just release. I don't know why folks are painting this in a bad light. It sold 100K in, like, one week on a supposed dead platform. That should be something to look at, not scoff at.
Screamapillar
Member
I think Star Fox 64 3D launched around the same time as the price cut... maybe a few weeks before.
DarkLordMalik
Member
What gives for the increases in 360 sales?
And forget about Capcom releasing anything exclusively on VITA. They have formed a strategic partnership with Nintendo this generation and it is evident pretty much everywhere.
And forget about Capcom releasing anything exclusively on VITA. They have formed a strategic partnership with Nintendo this generation and it is evident pretty much everywhere.
Devilgunman
Member
Need good marketing as well. All of Vita's heavy-hitters (Miku, Sol Sacrifice, P4G) were heavily advertised. Dev can't just make a good vita game and expect to sell well without Sony backing it up.
Magicpaint
Member
PSO was free to download wasn't it? Of course that would favour DD.
Some nice damage control right here
Game did well though, with digital sales I would expect it did about 160k.
That's a nice "out of the ass" number. We don't really know how much it would cost for Sony to secure a exclusive MH... neither if Capcom would even want to make one at this point.
It was 10 years ago, Wii is a dead plateform, Wii U is selling like shit and 3DS (which is the most likely candidate) is a handheld plateform.
I don't know which plateform they will go for this port/remake but it would most likely be either PS3 (or PS3/PSV lol ?) or 3DS.
PS3 has the advantage to be a home console and it will be logic for them to stay on PS3 after Graces F, Xillia and Xillia 2, it's also 100% sure the game would sell way much more in Japan than if it's released on 3DS (something like between a 2/1 and 3/1 ratio).
However they would need to seriously improve the graphics and it would be a lot of work, not sure the main Tales team want to bother with this (they are most likely working on the 20th anniversary title) and I don't think they'd be super excited to outsource the work at Alfa System, 7th Chord (lol) or another developper, especially considering this is PS3 we're talking about and none of those developper have any experience with it
If they consider worldwide sales 3DS could be better, it would certainly be the easiest way too since the 3DS is in the range of GC regarding graphics... BUT the Tales team doesn't have a good experience with 3DS, back when they announce Abyss they thought it would be a simple copy/paste to port the game from PS2 when in fact they had to redone a tone of 3D models and put way more work they thought it would took at first.
There is also the matter of consistency, the Tales series have dropped the cartoon proportions and cel-shading for a while now, so a straight port from GC/PS2 isn't possible anymore, they need to rebuild the graphics but not go the Innocence R/Hearts R way to avoid a potential disaster in sales, the battle system is also kind of outdated and need to be improved drastically.
No matter how you look at it, rereleasing Symphonia today would require a lot of efforts, so it would be best to go for the plateform where you could put the game and say "wow look at it, it really looks better than a decade ago !"
But there's also the matter of releasing too many Tales on the same platform in a span of two years in America and PALl zone (with Xillia 2 releasing the same year ?), so hum it's complicated ->
Anyway two and half a month before we know for sure about this.
Father_Brain
Banned
I don't quite see how this is supposed to be some sort of massive vindication of Vita's viability for that sort of content. If GTA:LCS or GOW:CoO had sold only 600K worldwide in their first two months on PSP, no one would be shy about calling them bombs.
There's still a potentially profitable niche market for console-style games aimed at older males on dedicated handhelds in the West, but that's all it is: a niche market. Not one that serves as the backbone of an entire platform's ecosystem.
Pokemon Rumble Blast as far as I remember. Had to compete against Monster Hunter Diary on PSP.
Thats part of the problem.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Let's read the full post again shall we:
"For the west, it would take games like GTA and CoD to fix the system, and proper portable style games not just lazy ports of the mainline ones. Sony also need to release a Lite version of the device, 4.3" LCD, slimmer and with a better battery life for $150. That would get the market moving. They also need a much better strategy for non-game apps and a phone/tablet version. Vita in the west needs to become an ecosystem with access to music, videos, games, apps and ebooks. Sony need to work out how they are going to provide all of those services for Vita or it will never be a successful device."
It says right there what I meant by ecosystem, what's not to understand? Games are just one part of it.
Some nice damage control right here
Oh come on. I made a mistake and I admitted to it. I misread the number. But what I did say is not false. The numbers are still something to look at despite it not being one million.
GetemMa
Member
So about 114K on week 1 for SS.
That's good. Not euphoric but good. Thing is that is will only go down from here. How drastic of a drop it is will tell us if the Vita has a future as even a niche product.
I don't understand Sony and Nintendo. Both of them have released hardware in the last year and withheld a system selling title on it for far too long. In the Vita's case, much longer but we'll see how Game and Wario and DQ do for Wii-U and then Pikmin3 if a god damn release date is ever announced.
Edit: I don't love these Vita numbers actually. Considering the price drop and a supposed system selling piece of software hitting in the same two week period, I expected more of a bump. They could easily be back to the <20K range in next week.
That's good. Not euphoric but good. Thing is that is will only go down from here. How drastic of a drop it is will tell us if the Vita has a future as even a niche product.
I don't understand Sony and Nintendo. Both of them have released hardware in the last year and withheld a system selling title on it for far too long. In the Vita's case, much longer but we'll see how Game and Wario and DQ do for Wii-U and then Pikmin3 if a god damn release date is ever announced.
Edit: I don't love these Vita numbers actually. Considering the price drop and a supposed system selling piece of software hitting in the same two week period, I expected more of a bump. They could easily be back to the <20K range in next week.
Sony should be trying to grow its own hunting action franchise. MH doesn't look like it's going to ever become anything that looks like it couldn't be done on a PSP if MH went back to circle shadows.
I think you are absolutely overestimating the importance of Soul Sacrifice. It's no doubt a very important game for the Vita, but MH players will still be interested in MH4 first and foremost. They won't abandon the series just because of a competitor. Did it ever happen that the "clone" of a popular series was able to take the attention away from the original? I can't remember a single case.
Of course, it is a very important game and right now the most important question is whether or not it will be able to grow some legs. If it succeeds it might definitely help increasing Vita's weekly baseline by a little, but that's about it.
Moneyhats alone (assuming Sony actually could afford it) wouldn't get Capcom to do something that they didn't deem in the best interest of the MH franchise and its sales. It's too strategically important to them for that.
equippedwithtowel
Member
Doubting that SS will spark a long term improvement for vita ≠ scoffing at its initial sales.
More like 136k for SS.
Just for comparison, Animal Crossing 3DS sold more than 600k in two days... with a lot more competition.
Soul Sacrifice sold 100k with no competition at all.
Byakuya769
Member
Vita cheaper than the 3ds now?
I think it's a case of them not being able to support two platforms efficiently enough. And possibly releasing one of them too early.