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Metal Gear Solid 3: FINAL JUDGMENT (with voice actor pics and new art!!!)

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This one needs to go to the archieve once it's locked off.

Also, and this might seem like a minor complaint, but those list of actors is a tad bit-spolier-ish, but nothing really to cry about.
 
He violated the very fundamental (and obvious, I feel) policy that governs all forum moderation: he contributed noise where we try to foster signal. A certain level of white noise is welcome -- in its peaks and valleys is writ the forum's "personality" -- but when one voice tries to outshout the rest and demands that his opinion go unqualified, it's a promise of disaster.

Even when I "troll" the Nintendo DS, I make a point, and my goal has never, EVER been to pimp my personality and/or qualifications. Even bad discussion is still discussion, but personality whoring is fundamentally worthless.

EDIT: Besides, the expectation is that when you get your ban lifted, you calm the fuck down and lay low. Even bloody *m0rphix/.hacked* gets this.
 

Trakball

Banned
Drinky Crow said:
He violated the very fundamental (and obvious, I feel) policy that governs all forum moderation: he contributed noise where we try to foster signal. A certain level of white noise is welcome -- in its peaks and valleys is writ the forum's "personality" -- but when one voice tries to outshout the rest and demands that his opinion go unqualified, it's a promise of disaster.

Even when I "troll" the Nintendo DS, I make a point, and my goal has never, EVER been to pimp my personality and/or qualifications. Even bad discussion is still discussion, but personality whoring is fundamentally worthless.


Well, Drinky, let me put it this way: I didn't know who any of the people supplying voicework for MGS3 are, and now I do. So he did me a service, actually. But you already have an agenda, so of course, he could've written a two thousand word essay on how MGS3 makes him feel and you would've given him a hard time and/or banned him.

As far as anything Nintendo is related? Please.
 
And I didn't ban him for his initial post. He's not a bad artist, and it's fair to solicit opinions.

However, the desire for special treatment and a refusal to qualify his behavior, as well as a long history of being unable to back up his talk, indicates that he isn't gonna make a few simple short-term behavioral modifications for the forum, and that he's probably better off whining about us on his own forum.
 

Trakball

Banned
So he didn't violate the ToS, but he did violate your own personal interpetation of Drinky Crow's ToS. Okay.

Say, when MAF spammed that one Nintendo thread with 56k-destroying pictures of hot dogs, I don't believe he was banned. I can't say that I'm clear on the ban-worthy offenses around this joint, even after as many times as I've been banned.
 

Matlock

Banned
Trakball: in this case, I have to agree with you. But I'll have to also throw out the quote that Brentai gave me for a banning way back when.

"This is like life. When you suck, you die."
 
Trakball said:
So he didn't violate the ToS, but he did violate your own personal interpetation of Drinky Crow's ToS. Okay.

Say, when MAF spammed that one Nintendo thread with 56k-destroying pictures of hot dogs, I don't believe he was banned. I can't say that I'm clear on the ban-worthy offenses around this joint, even after as many times as I've been banned.

MAF could post pics of gay and lesbian porn in a Mario 128 thread and the mods would protect him like their 1st born. Really, would you have it any other way?
 

Trakball

Banned
Matlock said:
Trakball: in this case, I have to agree with you. But I'll have to also throw out the quote that Brentai gave me for a banning way back when.

"This is like life. When you suck, you die."


That's a really stupid thing to say. I think certain people just think WAAAAAAAAAY too highly of themselves. I guess the thing is: you can have an over-inflated opinion of yourself if you're in charge, but don't get out of line, little plebes!


RE4 vs. SH4 said:
Really, would you have it any other way?


Yes. I'm not on the whole MAF-luv-train that so many others are on.
 

Matlock

Banned
Trakball said:
That's a really stupid thing to say. I think certain people just think WAAAAAAAAAY too highly of themselves. I guess the thing is: you can have an over-inflated opinion of yourself if you're in charge, but don't get out of line, little plebes!

It's like that everywhere. :p

Just ask Drinky: the man got kicked out of SA for sassing a mod.




RE: Lonestar

4 posts between bannings!
 

Trakball

Banned
Matlock said:
It's like that everywhere.


It's really not though. I don't want to give links to forums that have decent moderation, lest I receive some sort of ban for advertising.

I don't know what's worse: ruling the forums with an iron fist, banning fools for going off topic or not using caps or whatever; or trying to win the GA personality contest.
 
The ToS contains GUIDELINES for behavior; if you want to play legal eagle with us and consider any and all "offenses" not specifically enumerated in the ToS as fair game, then go ahead: try us.

The ToS is there to help if you're having a hard time understanding what generally constitutes being a pain in the ass. However, I believe there's a blurb in the ToS that basically boils down to any one of us banning you for a systematic series of minor, individually non-bannable offenses -- basically, if we think you don't contribute jack or if you get off a little too much on tweaking our noses, we'll ship you down the river.

I have no control over whether or not MAF does or doesn't get banned, although I wouldn't ban him anyway because he's an RL pal. Life's not fair that way. We're not some sort of idealized utopian experiment here, and you'll feel a lot happier if you accept that. Chances are, though, the longer you're around, the more you contribute, and the less fire you stoke, you'll earn the benefit of the doubt. My Lord, half the mods would LOVE to ban SolidSnakeX, but they don't because he's earned his stripes. It's the one inimitable rule around here: pay your dues by not being a pain in the ass for a year or two, and we'll get off your case and give you some freedom to stir the pot. By then, we've gotten to know you, and like you or not, you've become a predictable element. MAF has contributed a great deal, has been around possibly longer than anyone else, and has made this forum what it is in many ways. He has a big-ass old free pass, and he uses it with a sort of predictable prudence (although not enough to save his modship). He's part of the old school coterie around here, and they officially rule this shop.

If you don't dig oligarchies, even when they're largely benevolent as this one is, well, there's other forums. GAF won't change just because it isn't currently benefitting YOU. You wanna join the cabal? Read between the lines, do the time, and you can fill DS threads with pictures of hotdogs, too.
 

Trakball

Banned
Jesus Christ, I haven't earned my stripes yet? I beef with some sort of a transsexual internet construct AND make the freshest mix CDs for the exchanges, yet I still gotta pay dues! Shit.

Oh god, I knew that the 'ol "well, there's other forums" strategy would be pulled! I must applaud your hesitance in using it right away; I thought for sure that would be your first arguement.
 

Matlock

Banned
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Shouta said:
Drinky nailed it on the head. =P

Used too many words, though.
 

Trakball

Banned
Shouta said:
Drinky nailed it on the head. =P


Two things:

what did he nail, exactly? I must be dumb or something, because all I'm hearing is "this is GA, if you don't like our rules, tough"

oh no, fuck it, just one thing, I don't want to get banned again.
 
Trakball: You've earned your stripes, because you're still here. ;)

Actually, I kid; I kid. That said, threads which involve fruitless whining to apathetic moderators would seem to be the very epitome of signal-free discussion. You have your complaints, and we don't care. The rules require a little common sense and a little basic observation, both of which would say that the pressing the "Create New Topic" button requires a little tactical sensibility of the variety Leguna fails to possess.
 
Trakball said:
So he didn't violate the ToS, but he did violate your own personal interpetation of Drinky Crow's ToS. Okay.
Huh? He advertised his website/forum. I'm pretty sure that's against the ToS?
 
Trakball: You asked why some folks get banned for reasons not in the ToS. I explained the purpose of the ToS, and how common sense is required to supplement it. I also explained why MAF is largely unbannable.

We're not asking you to LIKE the reasoning, such as it is. But it's the way it is. It's our forum. So yes, the answer is: "this is GAF, get used to it." Now, the question becomes: do you WANT to get used to it? Leguna answered in the negative.
 

Trakball

Banned
Mike Works said:
Huh? He advertised his website/forum. I'm pretty sure that's against the ToS?


I'm pretty sure that the links were removed by Bishop before his was banned. *checks timestamp*

8:10 - links removed by Bishop

9:36 - Leguna banned by Drinky

Mike Works said:
Your point being? We remove NWS images before/after we ban someone for posting them. He still broke the ToS, admin revision or not.



I was in the damn thread when Bishop changed them. It wasn't before the fact. I don't know why you're trying to pwn me, but I'd appreciate it if you stopped.
 
Your point being? We remove NWS images before/after we ban someone for posting them. He still broke the ToS, admin revision or not.
 
Besides being an attention whore, an average writer, and the Craig Kilborn of gaming journalism, who the hell's Leguna? Is this guy a professional? If so, please inform me where his work appears. /n00b
 

Trakball

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Drinky Crow said:
Trakball: You asked why some folks get banned for reasons not in the ToS. I explained the purpose of the ToS, and how common sense is required to supplement it. I also explained why MAF is largely unbannable.

We're not asking you to LIKE the reasoning, such as it is. But it's the way it is. It's our forum. So yes, the answer is: "this is GAF, get used to it." Now, the question becomes: do you WANT to get used to it?


I AM used to it. I'm trying to have a rational discussion with you, like you claim to be all about, and all I get is: other mods trying to embarrass me, sycophants looking to praise you, and you breaking it down to, yes, what Matlock said: it's playground rules.
 
I didn't ban him for the links, anyhow. I shipped him out because his attitude indicated that he hadn't really changed post-ban in any way that would improve his long-term contribution to the forum.
 

Brandon F

Well congratulations! You got yourself caught!
Yes, I'd like to apply for the GAF platinum card with low annual fees and frequent flyer rewards.

--You mean I still need build credit rating in the Nippon Ichi camp? Does my love affair with Metroid Prime 2 help defer that in any way? Yikes! Well I do have an 'undead' warlock in the 40's on WoW...surely that must mean something!

Okay, going for the gusto here, but once upon a time, I used to post under the name Folken...
 

Trakball

Banned
Brandon F said:
Okay, going for the gusto here, but once upon a time, I used to post under the name Folken...



I'd be careful - I just got out of a week-long ban for having a different username.
 

manngc

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Well, it should be noted that he was unjustly banned in the first place. He's bitter over that no doubt. The fact that he has no tact and did not feel like being more low key could easily be viewed as a side effect of that ban.

It confuses me that he actually said that he's a rockstar... :p

Mann
 

Ristamar

Member
I remember Leguna's "I can beat anyone in Street Fighter" debacle, though I can't recall if he was banned for that particular incident of idiocy. :lol
 

Trakball

Banned
Drinky Crow said:
Actually, I kid; I kid. That said, threads which involve fruitless whining to apathetic moderators would seem to be the very epitome of signal-free discussion. You have your complaints, and we don't care.



I guess that's the main problem I have, the one I'm trying fruitlessly to express: what is the POINT of GA? Junior members get picked on, people can run afoul of mods and get banned, people can break the ToS and get away with it if they're well liked... if you & the people running the show don't care - I'll never forget the "old GA" sticky in OT where Jinx talked about changes that needed to be made, and you told him to pretty much fuck himself - then why have an open forum? Get rid of all the members that you don't like, close the forum to non-members, and you guys can have an all-day love fest. It'll make your job a lot easier, too, since you won't have to moderate all of the jerks, people with opposing views, and people you just don't like!
 

manngc

Member
Those previous bans must have been really short (or done as a joke by LyteEdge) as I don't even remember those.

The unjust part stems from the fact that I agreed to the terms and he didn't. That's the way he feels and really that should play a role in how he is viewed in his return. Give him some time...and don't incite him... My 2 cents...

Mann
 
Trakball said:
So there you go, Mike.
What the fuck are you talking about? YOU were the one who said:

Trakball said:
I don't like Leguna AT ALL, but I don't know what he did to violate the ToS.
Trakball said:
So he didn't violate the ToS, but he did violate your own personal interpetation of Drinky Crow's ToS. Okay.
And I replied explaining how he did violate the ToS. You're the one looking for answers or mercy or whatever it is you're trying to accomplish here, not me.
 
Trakball said:
I guess that's the main problem I have, the one I'm trying fruitlessly to express: what is the POINT of GA? Junior members get picked on, people can run afoul of mods and get banned, people can break the ToS and get away with it if they're well liked... if you & the people running the show don't care - I'll never forget the "old GA" sticky in OT where Jinx talked about changes that needed to be made, and you told him to pretty much fuck himself - then why have an open forum? Get rid of all the members that you don't like, close the forum to non-members, and you guys can have an all-day love fest. It'll make your job a lot easier, too, since you won't have to moderate all of the jerks, people with opposing views, and people you just don't like!

The point is that its a general gaming forum on the internet thats typically funny and informative with an good OT forum as well. And to make it by, don't be an ass and you will get by fine. Its kinda simple.

The problem with Leguna is that he has a history of being a complete and utter asshole, and got banned numerous times for it. Drinky didn't want to deal with his shit, and banned him again.
 
What the hell are you talking about? Am I missing something here? I replied to two of your posts regarding the ToS, and then you made a post containing nothing but, "So there you go, Mike", as if I was the person looking for answers from Drinky Crow.

And now I'm picking a fight with you?

Maybe it's because you're currently conversing with three different admins (I think jinx is an admin, he might be a mod though) at the same time right now, but I really don't know what you're going on about half of the time in this thread.
 

manngc

Member
That's the one thing he should have edited out right away. But if you look at the times, Bish had already edited them by the time Leguna had posted again (an hour before). Surely some slack is tolerated.
 

Trakball

Banned
Mike Works said:
What the hell are you talking about? Am I missing something here? I replied to two of your posts regarding the ToS, and then you made a post containing nothing but, "So there you go, Mike", as if I was the person looking for answers from Drinky Crow.

And now I'm picking a fight with you?


I think you're playing dumb. You said repeatedly that it was Legunas' "spamming" that led to the ban, whereas Drinky has already said that was NOT. THE. REASON. That's what I'm saying "there you go" to, but yet you keep pushing it and pushing it with me.



Mike Works said:
Maybe it's because you're currently conversing with three different admins (I think jinx is an admin, he might be a mod though) at the same time right now, but I really don't know what you're going on about half of the time in this thread.


Yes Mike, I can't multitask. Insult my intelligence too! Right on.
 
Trakball said:
I think you're playing dumb.
Why would I bother playing dumb on this issue? Could I face any reprecussions for someone else banning leguna of all people under perhaps unjust reasoning? No. Does anyone on this board think that I value leguna as a poster? Of course not. There's nothing to hide or play innocent in this case.

You said repeatedly that it was Legunas' "spamming" that led to the ban, whereas Drinky has already said that was NOT. THE. REASON.
I said repeatedly that it was Leguna's "spamming" that was against the ToS. Drinky stated in his entry in the mod forum that Leguna was being banned for being an internet rockstar or whatever it is. I was simply supplying a reason for people like you and other who get uptight over people being unbanned solely on a mod's personal opinion, and not for acting against the ToS. It usually allows for uneccessary arguments regarding the criteria for getting banned to end quicker, though that was not the case in this thread.

That's what I'm saying "there you go" to, but yet you keep pushing it and pushing it with me.
Haha, are you acting like you were trying to put an end to the conversation that had already ended by posting "There you go, Mike", and I kept pushing it and pushing it by making one reply to that post? Come on buddy.

Yes Mike, I can't multitask. Insult my intelligence too! Right on.
Relax, I was merely implying that you were playing dumb ;)
 
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