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[darkinstinct]

Sony’s in big trouble. Expect a delayed launch and coronavirus as the convenient excuse while they continue to rework the underpowered machine.

There's no need to rework anything. PS5 will sell on name alone. Maybe not in the US, but it's a default win for Sony in Europe. And if they want the power crown they can just launch a PS5 Pro in three years. Wasting money on redesigns because you fell back rarely ever happens.

 

[SleepDoctor]

Its nice to have something solid. The rumor/spec thread got old fast.

Now lets see when Sony decides to finally confirm their specs.

The Cyberpunk deal is great too.

 

[Naibel]

Those are specs I thought would only be the stuff of fever dreams, yet they're real !! Impressive Microsoft, veeerrry impressive ! I'm very excited to see how Sony will respond to this.

And CDPR, man, they're the greatest ! I can now buy my Xbox One copy of CP2077 without remorse !

Great specs, new pro-consumer practices, those are fantastic news for us gamers !

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

There is still plenty of Time dude.
Also, RDNA 2!!!! Wasn’t confirmed and not even expected. RDNA 2 is HUGE

Yeah I wasn't expecting RDNA2 either. Was thinking both XSX and PS5 would be RDNA1 with some RDNA2 features in them.

Given their transparency of late I think it's safe to say this is full RDNA2.

RDNA2 is just hardware RT and VRS. Good but nothing exclusive..unless Mark Sony fucked up pretty bad!

So the 2Ghz PS5 GPU is like Xbox1 last minute overclock. Damn Sony got complacent and cowardly to chase that $399 'sweet'spot.
With how aggressive Teamxbox wants nextgen pie, $399 is looking like a dead spot for Sony, 'dat underwhelming 9Tflops paper specs.

I think RDNA2 brings further architectural improvements compared to RDNA1 as well, because IIRC RDNA1 still features some GCN elements in it and isn't "full Navi".

Also, c'mon man we can calm down a bit with the insults. This is really good news for XSX but it's no reason to turn around and make fun of Sony or PS5. Some cheeky friendly jabs are alright, but not trashing them altogether. I'm still looking forward to PS5 too and we still don't quite know its final specs, either.

 

[Trimesh]

Hardware accelerated DirectX Ray Tracing.... hmmmmmm weird choice of words there.

Not really - "Direct X Raytracing" (aka DXR) is Microsoft's API for RT support. It can be implemented either purely in software or using hardware acceleration. They are just saying "yes, this is the hardware version".

 

[Lionel Richie]

There's no need to rework anything. PS5 will sell on name alone. Maybe not in the US, but it's a default win for Sony in Europe. And if they want the power crown they can just launch a PS5 Pro in three years.

PS5 reveal hasn't even happened and we're already in denial I see.

 

[Xyphie]

Bravo Microsoft. This puts me at ease. Just few things remaining:

1) How much AVAILABLE RAM for games. It must be 16 GB minimum available (not total)
2) How much bandwidth of GDDR6 RAM? Rumors indicate close to 600 GB/sec, hoping ideally be close to 800 GB/sec
3) Wifi 6? I am thinking yes.

Almost certainly it'll be 20GB on the Xbox with somewhere between 560-640GB/s. Playstation will be 16GB with 448-512GB/s.

 

[bRacing]

Does power even matter? Look at Switch sales.

It does when your biggest games are third party titles.

 

[Max_Po]

Niiiiiiiiiiiice

Can anyone explain, "Dynamic Latency Input "

 

[Proelite]

Almost certainly it'll be 20GB on the Xbox with somewhere between 560-640GB/s. Playstation will be 16GB with 448-512GB/s.

 

[HolyTruth]

There's no need to rework anything. PS5 will sell on name alone. Maybe not in the US, but it's a default win for Sony in Europe. And if they want the power crown they can just launch a PS5 Pro in three years. Wasting money on redesigns because you fell back rarely ever happens.

that’s what people about Nokia phones too back then. We will see what happens nextgen.

 

[Riven326]

Vet nice. Can't wait to hear about PS5. Come on, Sony.

 

[Airbus Jr]

People on Neogaf react to a 12 Teraflop console in 2020

Also the same Neogafers react to a 12 Teraflop console in 2022

 

[Shin]

Given their transparency of late I think it's safe to say this is full RDNA2.

Safe bet I reckon considering that GPU follows CPU planning/schedule now at AMD/RTG.

 

[Bullet Club]

 

[Spreewaldgurke]

How much is this 12 TF compared to the old architecture GPU?

 

[sinnergy]

Told you all, guns blazing .

About 14 TF GCN old.

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[TGO]

Just 12?
I guess we can expect Soony to announce something now it's official

 

[pulga]

dont forget all the new studios they just bought

Yup, gonna keep my eye out for whatever Ninja Theory, Double Fine and Obsidian bring to the table.

 

[JAMMA]

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[StreetsofBeige]

Sweet. 12tf. RDNA 2.

that puts a nail in the coffin for anyone thinking it was 12tf GCN.

Ok insiders, you’re move to move the goal posts.

 

[Aidah]

I'd never buy it, but that does sound like good shit so far. A proper generational leap despite mid gen upgraded consoles. I think the most Playstation fans can hope for at this point is for PS5 to match this, because so far this sounds like the upper end of expectations.

 

[jshackles]

So it sounds like what the Xbox One X was to the Xbox One / S. It's basically an Xbox One XX. That can play a new generation of game too for those developers that don't use their new upgrade features.

I'm okay with that.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

I don’t want anyone to kidd themselves, at some point in our lives we’ll all be eating a shit load of Taco Bell to win a Limited Edition Series X.

sounds like my typical Saturday night

 

[Kagero]

Am I missing something here? Weren't these specs always expected? Or are people just breathing a sigh of relief?

 

[Airbus Jr]

Just 12?

 

[DeepEnigma]

So it sounds like what the Xbox One X was to the Xbox One / S. It's basically an Xbox One XX. That can play a new generation of game too for those developers that don't use their new upgrade features.

I'm okay with that.

Will wait for the xXx

 

[Shin]

Just 12?

TFmonster can't eat more, tummy full

Spoiler: What can I say...

Image shamelessly stolen from Twitter

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Thanks to the Smart Delivery. This is massive!

That's good, but, CDPR, will play it for 1$ on Game Pass. So why not to have for free 2 times. Free upgrade on XSX, and also for "free" on Game Pass.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Ball’s in your court, Sony

Release The Fuckin’ Specs.

Let’s see where we stand.

XsX is gonna be a beast. If PS5 can match I’ll be in heaven

Pretty confident PS5 will be close to SeX but not 12tf RDNA 2.

If PS5 was better spec than Xbox you would have already had every exec there telling the world about it like GDDR5 ram and YT videos by execs bragging about used discs.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

MS with the comeback story

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Ars Technica "don't read too much into it" article when?

 

[ManaByte]

I have $500 in cash put aside and hidden so it won't be spent. Bring on the beast.

 

[Shin]

Xbox exec

They should have refreshed those (Greenberg/Nelson), it's really needed.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Ars Technica "don't read too much into it" article when?

When Sony announces.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Nintendo 1st party published games have shipped over 167M units under 3 years.

That alone is impossible for PS5 or XSX to replicate.

Yeah in terms of sales Nintendo's 1st party are almost second to none. Only Rockstar consistently compares and that's with them releasing like two games in 7 years xD.

Granted, GTAV has been an absolute monster in its own right and I doubt any other single AAA game will approach its success except maybe GTA6.

Very, very nice looking piece of hardware. The onus is now on Sony to at least match that, one would assume brand loyalty will win the day for the PS5 but the 360 proved MS can get it right. It sounds like they're not going to be outpriced by Sony either, I imagine MS can afford to take a bigger hit than Sony on hardware?

MS can; $1 trillion market cap vs ~ $60 billion market cap, yeah.

But the question is if Xbox division can. They may be willing to but it'd depend on the main MS departments okaying it. Granted, same goes for PS division at Sony, but they probably have a bit more leeway. Though it certainly seems like MS is giving Xbox division a lot more to work with now, which is great news.

Bravo Microsoft. This puts me at ease. Just few things remaining:

1) How much AVAILABLE RAM for games. It must be 16 GB minimum available (not total)
2) How much bandwidth of GDDR6 RAM? Rumors indicate close to 600 GB/sec, hoping ideally be close to 800 GB/sec
3) Wifi 6? I am thinking yes.

We ain't gettin' 800 GB/sec, chief xD. 768 GB/s is maximum, and that's with a 384-bit bus and 16Gbps chips.

But rumors are suggesting it's more likely a 320-bit bus and currently using 14Gbps chips, for 560 GB/s. They could switch to 16Gbps chips,
tho, and get 640 GB/s, which is a more realistic upper limit.

 

[sinnergy]

Sony ! We are 11.6 TF RDNA .

what kind ? RDNA ... 1.0

crowd starts crying.

 

[LoganKnight4949]

Meanwhile, the 3080ti I'll get in late summer early fall will shit all over it.

Having said that, if they pull this off for $500, it'll be an incredible value. I'll probably get one for travel instead of wasting money on a shitty gaming laptop that'll be 3-4x the price.

 

[grfunkulus]

I have $500 in cash put aside and hidden so it won't be spent. Bring on the beast.

Good luck MS on losing that much money per console if they actually launch at $500

Theres literally 0 indication that AMD will be able to launch a GPU at or above 2080 level that doesnt have real issues
Cards above the 5700xt would've launched already if they could but its widely speculated that high end Navi has had yield/heat issues

I'll believe the top end Navi at 30% over a 2080ti when I see the in game fps counters, and not a second before.

Nvidia is also blowing smoke with Ampere. There will be some metric where they're twice as efficient and 50% stronger but it wont be on the top end for the 3080 and 3080ti. That's sure as shit

 

[DeepEnigma]

Sony ! We are 11.6 TF RDNA .

what kind ? RDNA ... 1.0

crowd starts crying.

Your head cannon is low effort.

 

[base]

If ps5 is 11tf then I go the Sony way.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

I know hardware power comparisons are and will forever be a point of discussion, but honestly Sony needs to step up and match that b.c. if they want my dollah.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Meanwhile, the 3080ti I'll get in late summer early fall will shit all over it.

While true, isn’t this kinda beside the point? I mean, not to be snarky but ‘No Shit.” We get it.

 

[base]

Good luck MS on losing that much money per console if they actually launch at $500

Theres literally 0 indication that AMD will be able to launch a GPU at or above 2080 level that doesnt have real issues
Cards above the 5700xt would've launched already if they could but its widely speculated that high end Navi has had yield/heat issues

I'll believe the top end Navi at 30% over a 2080ti when I see the in game fps counters, and not a second before.

Nvidia is also blowing smoke with Ampere. There will be some metric where they're twice as efficient and 50% stronger but it wont be on the top end for the 3080 and 3080ti. That's sure as shit

They will be announced very soon (march). Latest drivers mentioned already 5950, 5900 and 5800.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

They will be announced very soon (march). Latest drivers mentioned already 5950, 5900 and 5800.

Bring on da GPUs baby

 

[DeepEnigma]

Sony’s in big trouble. Expect a delayed launch and coronavirus as the convenient excuse while they continue to rework the underpowered machine.

 

[darkinstinct]

Good luck MS on losing that much money per console if they actually launch at $500

Theres literally 0 indication that AMD will be able to launch a GPU at or above 2080 level that doesnt have real issues
Cards above the 5700xt would've launched already if they could but its widely speculated that high end Navi has had yield/heat issues

I'll believe the top end Navi at 30% over a 2080ti when I see the in game fps counters, and not a second before.

Nvidia is also blowing smoke with Ampere. There will be some metric where they're twice as efficient and 50% stronger but it wont be on the top end for the 3080 and 3080ti. That's sure as shit

Realistically, of course AMD can beat a two year old Nvidia GPU. That's the sad thing, that they need two years to beat them. The RTX 3080 will come out weeks if not days after Big Navi and absolutely crush it. But to not expect AMD to be able to beat a 2080, that's ridiculous.

 

[Arkam]

Good to see the picture coming (slowly) into focus. Nice to have that spec out of the way to give us some relativity (as some thought 12tf was off the table). I look forward to seeing what MS can do with that machine. Now time to wait for a Sony response... or for Lockhart details.

 

[grfunkulus]

They will be announced very soon (march). Latest drivers mentioned already 5950, 5900 and 5800.

And? We already knew that. When I see them on shelves available at prices that truly undercut nvidia and make upgrading make sense, then I'll be psyched

If the xbox series x gpu falls one step or so below the top end, and they're still pricing them within $50 of nvidia's cards for the comparable model, then Microsoft's machine is going to look very, very attractive.