dragonelite
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Microsoft Shares Vision for the Future of Windows and Xbox One Game Development
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wapplew
Member
Someone else does?
Phoenix Fang
Banned
So basically one game that will work n all Xbox branded devices?
TheChewyWaffles
Member
Star Wars: Battlefront is the first DirectX 12 title on Xbox One.
Was this already known? Is that pach out yet?
Was this already known? Is that pach out yet?
KonradLaw
Member
Yep. I mean,even for console-centric multiplat titles, I demand far more control, options and modding capabilities than Xbox One could provide.
And the idea of developers consolizing their PC-centric games and controls to make them crossplat is stuff straight out of nightmare.
ProfessorMoran
Member
There might not be a steam version when you're developing for "uwp", they're trying to squeeze steam out of the equation since they saw xbone's trajectory.
Bits N Pieces
Member
Damn, after reading all if that article it looks like a few posters on here were right. Microsoft really is shutting down and closing the Xbox division .....
Oh look, a flying pig!
Oh look, a flying pig!
Damn, after reading all if that article it looks like a few posters on here were right. Microsoft really is shutting down and closing the Xbox division .....
Oh look, a flying pig!
From the info in the OP its clearer than ever that they are moving away from a distinct console software platform. A separate Xbox only context for your game now almost sounds like a legacy option ( one that I'm guessing will disappear in a few years depending on the success of uwp). Xbox is not disappearing but it's clear MS now wants it to be a vehicle for Windows software delivery rather than its own software platform. Whether that will make Xbox a PC, a console, a steam machine-like htpc... I'll let others define that, but they're all very arguable labels now.
wapplew
Member
But we are living in a era where iOS/Andriod already did all Windows ecosystem "future" for years.
People is used to App bc/fc, follow account, cross buy, cross platform play, cloud save and everything, it's nothing new, people expected nothing less. MS don't have the luxury to launch first and iterate until it's good like they used to.
Frank Jaeger
Member
Any news on payed multiplayer?
Alx
Member
Cross-buy is one thing, cross-development /execution is another. And as far as I know, iOS is still very different from OSX.
I don't know exactly the state of the OS on "Google PCs", but they had the benefit of starting things from scratch. Apple and Microsoft already have a huge legacy to maintain with their current OS products.
I don't know exactly the state of the OS on "Google PCs", but they had the benefit of starting things from scratch. Apple and Microsoft already have a huge legacy to maintain with their current OS products.
But it's new that AAA console gaming is joining that business model.
Huh? It has already 'launched' and XBL still isn't free on Consoles.
I'm not sure why people insist that Consiole gamers generally care about what PC gamers expenses are.
MS will continue to charge for XBL on consoles because consumers in that market are willing to pay.
Honestly, this all sounds pretty awesome.
Making Xbox a Windows 10 device and integrating it with the PC side of things is a great move. I hope this means a more open platform as well that allows developers to publish titles there more easily.
If this allows most games to run on both Xbox and Windows we can see a boom of titles released there and that's always great. Imagine an Xbox that runs 90 per cent of games on Windows and is also backwards compatible moving forward, seems great.
I don't have an Xbox but this makes it seem like an attractive platform for the first time since launch. It seems like an evolution of the console business in a good way.
Making Xbox a Windows 10 device and integrating it with the PC side of things is a great move. I hope this means a more open platform as well that allows developers to publish titles there more easily.
If this allows most games to run on both Xbox and Windows we can see a boom of titles released there and that's always great. Imagine an Xbox that runs 90 per cent of games on Windows and is also backwards compatible moving forward, seems great.
I don't have an Xbox but this makes it seem like an attractive platform for the first time since launch. It seems like an evolution of the console business in a good way.
Garrett 2U
Member
Sorry, I'm just still not quite understanding it.
Could you please explain it to me like I'm five?
The way I see it, Microsoft has sold 20 million cups of lemonade.
Now they are going to sell several variations of lemonade: pink lemonade, frozen lemonade, spiked lemonade, limeade.
They appeal to slightly different audiences and have varying prices, but they are all refreshing beverages that will similarly quench your thirst.
But apparently I'm a simpleton and this all really means they are closing down the lemonade stand.
They are not going to let you buy Xbox One games bought from stores where they do not get a cut of the profit. They are not going to make Xbox One an open platform.
Doubt it. From now on all Microsoft Studio games are going to be released in the universal app format. Probably they're going to re-release old Xbox (360) games as universal apps as well in the future.
AncientDiety
Banned
Ms are good at making promises. ...most pc gamers don't want live . It's the execution where they struggle.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Hmmmm no additional info on their upgradeable Xbox One plans. But I guess that was to be expected and this was of course all about game development.
AncientDiety
Banned
There is no upgradeable xbox... Phil was talking about maybe in the future...it may not happen at all. People need to keep expectations in check.
What was your prediction - 360 BC games on PC?
PuppetMaster
Member
Sounds like a way to exit the console business without losing face.
Thier Windows gaming plans are going to flop. Just like they always have.
Windows gaming will continue to thrive of course. Just MS will fail to make money off of it.
Thier Windows gaming plans are going to flop. Just like they always have.
Windows gaming will continue to thrive of course. Just MS will fail to make money off of it.
AncientDiety
Banned
Of course...no one is leaving the much better steam and it's 100 plus million users. This is going to be another failed attempt at ms to get into the pc distribution scene.
PuppetMaster
Member
Occulus wants to sell games on thier storefront. Valve obviously wants to sell games on Steam. Why the hell would either want to support UWP. It only benifits the MS store ecosystem
Garrett 2U
Member
The UWP is about decoupling software and hardware.
It allows developers to craft their engines more abstractly and run them on various devices without modifying much code.
This allows the software to be forward compatible, meaning it'll run on future devices.
I completely expect to see another Xbox console released this 'generation', more powerful than Xbox One but running the same games.
Garrett 2U
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http://news.xbox.com/2015/06/11/xbox-xbox-and-oculus-partner-to-change-the-face-of-virtual-reality/
This UWP unification makes the Oculus partnership even more exciting.
PuppetMaster
Member
All programmers recognize this as total BS.
It is not going to happen. Not useful for any application that requires high performance applications i.e. Video Games.
Trying to be a jack of all trades just makes you that much weaker to your competetor like Sony that focuses on specilization.
Ninja Sharingan
Banned
I hope not. I want a unified platform. If I buy a game and i own it on windows and PC and i buy the new revesion of the xbox and own all my games. no need to buy HD remasters etc. Just let me forward port my content. Sounds sublime
AncientDiety
Banned
Only a fraction of those users have gaming rigs or even care about gaming....ms PR doing work.
The ones that do are on steam and don't care about the cluster that is win 10 store.
PuppetMaster
Member
Not the same thing.
Also that app that you need to stream xbox to an occulus. Where do you think you get it. Everything has to be downloaded and run off the Occulus store front.
Once you use the Occulus storefront you will understand. I use it because I have a Galaxy Gear.
Then you buy a Xbox One. At least you have choices in which to play games.
The PC games industry is not slowing down and continues to grow. If you can nail two with one shot why wouldn't you? If anything it gives dev more avenues to sell games and that's great.
StereoVsn
Member
Exactly. Note how he mentioned nothing about modding, running/purchasing applications from other stores, etc... Having a closed off wallgarden that prevents you from doing things that have been the norm for PC gaming for literally decades is not a good thing.
Oh and you can forget about good sales. Note that MS doesn't allow other stores like Amazon, GMG, etc... to resell keys.
TheHellsLord
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UWP games will hinge to a large degree on how widespread Windows 10 will be. If creating a UWA will allow them to reduce development costs by only having to develop for PC and Xbox once instead of doing quite different builds that is a strong incentive for them to move there. I guess for most of those businesses the fact that code injection and other modding techniques don't work won't be a big issue (most are more "accepting" them instead of "encouraging it" and those who do seem to have the possibility to do so with UWAs as well (see Mod anouncement for FO4 on Xbox One)).
On the technical side UWAs seem to not be quite there yet (VSync, FreeSync, GSync, etc.) but what I take out of Microsoft's anouncements they seem to have a list of such issues that partners and internal studios have given them and they're working on addressing them.
From a developer perspective I can see the appeal of the UWP if enough people move to Windows 10 and going by Steam's numbers that seems to be a quite quick transition that might pick up speed once more DX12 games hit.
From the consumer perspective it might be a different story - we'll have to wait and see. I understand why many are hesitant going by Microsoft's past actions.
On the technical side UWAs seem to not be quite there yet (VSync, FreeSync, GSync, etc.) but what I take out of Microsoft's anouncements they seem to have a list of such issues that partners and internal studios have given them and they're working on addressing them.
From a developer perspective I can see the appeal of the UWP if enough people move to Windows 10 and going by Steam's numbers that seems to be a quite quick transition that might pick up speed once more DX12 games hit.
From the consumer perspective it might be a different story - we'll have to wait and see. I understand why many are hesitant going by Microsoft's past actions.
dragonelite
Member
Im pretty sure there are an array of laptops that rival or exceed
current gen gaming console performance. Its not that hard to get a Gpu that can rival the xbox one gpu and most laptop these days come with a better CPU than in any of the consoles.
PanicFreak
Member
Just look at what happened when Sony put up the online paywall. All you have to do is ask your self, "what's the opposite of this?" to know that the XBL paywall isnt going anywhere on the console.
The picture shows PS+ account growth. The spike shows the moment the PS4 was released through Jan 31, 2014.
(Sorry for the small graph, I couldn't find a bigger one)
AncientDiety
Banned
Most of those people aren't gamers. If they are they are on steam.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
Ohhhh nm
Garrett 2U
Member
All programmers recognize decoupling software and hardware as BS? Ha.
Even Tim Sweeney, who raised concerns over the distribution of UWP, noted the many benefits of the model and said Epic would support UWP if the distribution concern was cleared up.
Why do you think game engines are so popular? They allow the developer to target as many platforms with as little dependencies.
The UWP is ambitious, but if you read the OP, you'd note that Microsoft has fully acknowledged that and has been working with first party and third party developers to improve the API.
Gears Ultimate, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Quantum Break, and Ori are all Universal Windows Applications.
Developers are already publishing games through the platform and the tools will only improve.