• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

'Microsoft's silence at CES could be the start of a tough year for the Xbox.'

Microsoft's silence at CES could be the start of a tough year for the Xbox.

Success comes in many guises. Most people would agree that 2007 was a successful year for the Xbox 360 - a year when the firm's head-start over rival Sony was used to great effect, and when the console's software line-up was widely considered to be one of the strongest the industry has ever seen.

It was the year in which Halo 3 arrived, was critically acclaimed, and sold around 8 million copies - and perhaps most impressively of all, it was the year when Halo 3 almost seemed buried in an avalanche of superb games, whereas in any previous year it would have stood astride the software landscape like a colossus. It was the year when Xbox Live user figures passed the 10 million mark, and the year when Microsoft registered its second ever profitable quarter for the Xbox division (although it almost certainly slid back into a loss in the following quarter).

A good year, then? Well - maybe. Success is multi-faceted, and it's important to look at it from many angles before you make up your mind and stick a label on something. There are other ways in which 2007 was a terrible year for Microsoft - and in some regards, the company's lacklustre showing at CES in Las Vegas last week may be a hangover from those failings.

A number of problems plagued the Xbox 360 throughout the year. The woes over failing consoles finally reached the point where Microsoft could no longer ignore the system's dismal reliability - forcing it to extend its hardware warranty and set aside a billion-dollar reserve to fund repairs.

It may not have been too little, but it was definitely too late. The mainstream media had already latched onto the idea that the Xbox 360 was badly manufactured and prone to failure - while the hardcore gamers who had been Microsoft's most staunch word-of-mouth warriors suddenly became a liability, as they started talking to friends and forums about being on their third or fourth replacement Xbox 360.

No sooner had that furore died down, than it was replaced by another - the dismal failure of the Xbox Live system to cope with demand over Christmas, which has now extended into the New Year with no fix in sight. Customers paying for a rock-solid online gaming service are getting anything but; once again, Microsoft's ability to design and create amazing products seems to be let down by its ability to deliver quality on an ongoing basis. The problems aren't remotely as serious as the "Red Ring of Death" flaw on the 360 itself, but it's exactly the kind of press the console doesn't need right now.

For hardcore gamers, these are the problems which have put a dampener on enthusiasm for the 360 even in the face of a superb software line-up. Microsoft faces an even bigger problem with the console, however, to which its reliability concerns are only one contributing factor. The problem is this; it's still simply not clear how the company is going to grow its market, and there are strong signs that growth is already slowing down.

Along with plenty of other critics and commentators, I've been pointing out for a long time that the Xbox 360 still doesn't have sufficient appeal outside of the "cars and guns" market - the same 16 to 24 year old consumers who bought the original Xbox. A smattering of Japanese RPGs and, well, Viva Pinata, does not amount to a mass-market strategy that will finally unseat the PlayStation.

The proof of this unappetising pudding? Quick dinner-napkin calculations based on Microsoft's own estimates show that in 2007, the firm shipped fewer Xbox 360 consoles than it did in 2006. It's not a huge difference - but that's not what the growth curve is meant to look like, especially not when there's such an acclaimed line-up of software on offer.

How does all of this translate to the near-absence of Xbox from the firm's keynote at CES? Quite simply, there's a feeling that right now, Microsoft's Xbox division is looking long and hard at where it stands in the market - and how it breaks out of its current position to become a credible market leader. Despite a strong start and a loyal fanbase, it is assailed with challenges that will be difficult to overcome.

On one hand, it needs to learn how to appeal to the mass market - something which doesn't seem to come naturally to the product or the company. On the software front, Microsoft seemingly remains convinced that there is a single "mass market" which can be attracted by building a handful of games in key areas. The reality is very different; the "mass market" is merely a collection of a huge number of niches, and it's this vast diaspora of tastes which Sony has been excellent at providing for.

The PlayStation consoles have played host to a bewildering variety of software for different gaming tastes, and that's why they achieved mass market success - simply funding a few JRPGs and deliberately "quirky" titles isn't going to emulate this. An overhaul of how Microsoft approaches software development for its platforms as a whole may be required to nurture that kind of game library.

On the other hand, perhaps an even more daunting challenge is keeping the faithful satisfied in 2008. Going into 2007, the Xbox 360 release list looked absolutely stunning - whereas the 2008 schedule at this point in time looks comparatively barren. If Microsoft wants to maintain its momentum, let alone building new momentum, it needs to repeat the software success of 2007 - and it needs to do it without Bioware and Bizarre, both of which developed key Xbox 360 exclusives in the past but now belong to multi-platform publishers. It also needs to do it without Bungie; not only now an independent studio (albeit still likely to work on 360 exclusives), but also highly unlikely to have another game ready until 2009.

None of this is insurmountable, but it's certainly not going to be an easy ride either. Microsoft has done an absolutely amazing job in some regards - its hardware, despite launching a year earlier than the PS3, has held its own extremely well in terms of technical prowess, and its online service continues to be the benchmark for the whole industry. In terms of software, the late 2007 line-up is arguably one of the best the market has ever seen, fuelling an incredibly strong quarter for the industry as a whole.

Continuing that success, however, won't happen just through sitting on a sack full of laurels. In 2008, Microsoft's challenges will be greater than ever before. The Wii is trouncing the Xbox 360 in the casual market; the PS3 is keeping pace with it in week to week sales, despite acres of negative press, and at present has a more appealing 2008 line-up. Reliability problems just won't go away, the mass-market remains just as elusive as it's ever been, and key developers have been lost to third-party publishers. Nobody could describe a division that's just had such a brilliant couple of quarters as being in crisis - but when Microsoft finally breaks the silence that we witnessed at CES, it had better have some great responses to the challenges 2008 brings.


http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=32020


highlighted the important parts from this article.

sorry if it's old.
 

mandiller

Member
360 doomed then? You heard it here first!

They've got a point about Live and the red ring of death. Those issues are spot on.

But the fact that GTA4 is coming out this year is enough for me. I'm not only into cars and guns but that game will be awesome. My 360 isn't going anywhere.
 

Man God

Non-Canon Member
CES means nothing. GDC, random announcements, and E3 are still where it's at.

By all accounts Nintendo had the shittiest CES preformance and its still beloved everywhere.

360 will have a fine year. It had all of 2007 to get accustomed to being number two, and I'm sure it will keep up its tremendous battery of western style guns/tits/sword games.

The PS3 tried to play 2007 with the GTS western games and didn't do so well. At least this year it has MGS 4 and the inferior version of GTA IV to fall back on. PS3 is good at falling back, so it'll continue it's walk of shame.

The Wii? Can it rise to heaven any faster? Maybe it can, Smash, Mario Kart, and a whole lot of variables await.
 

purg3

slept with Malkin
Well considering CES is a trade expo and not a game show, this really doesn't mean much...
 

M3wThr33

Banned
The PS3 has negative press?
What?
If anything, with Warner ending the war, the PS3 price cut helping and games that actually came out this Xmas, I'd say most of the PS3's negative press is gone.
The 360 is the one to worry about, with the flakiest connection to XBL in the history of the service.
 

Monmin

Member
the 360 2008 games thread doesn't look barren to me. Looks pretty great really.

360 will have a fine year. PS3 will gain ground. Nintendo will continue to rock.

Big deal.
 
"On one hand, it needs to learn how to appeal to the mass market - something which doesn't seem to come naturally to the product or the company."

The "mass market" doesnt' come naturally to Microsoft?

Ummm....OK.
 

Teddman

Member
There aren't that many big releases compared with last year for the 360, and the PS3 looks to be picking up a little steam with the Warner announcement + a good 2008 lineup.

Maybe it's time for a real price cut.
 

purg3

slept with Malkin
M3wThr33 said:
The 360 is the one to worry about, with the flakiest connection to XBL in the history of the service.

What didn't you hear, the recent connection issues are being caused by the massive surge of new xbox live customers. So that is actually a good thing.

-Microsoft PR bullshit
 

M3wThr33

Banned
ThirdEye said:
Was the 360 Ultimate rumor true after all?
Well, no one knows what was IN the Ultimate, but I bet if it had an HD-DVD drive, it would make sense behind the delay.
purg3 said:
What didn't you hear, the recent connection issues are being caused by the massive surge of new xbox live customers. So that is actually a good thing.

-Microsoft PR bullshit
Ahh, yeah.
Now, more people than ever before can experience intermittent disconnects, blades not loading and broken matchmaking!
 

KAOS

Member
Wow! The slant has been set. What's weird is that Sony/PS3 hasn't really made a comeback yet but the perception is that MS/Xbox 360 needs to have one. Well you heard it MS it's time to make a comeback or die silently!
 

koam

Member
The silence was probably cause they have a new SKU with a HDDVD drive ready to be shown and well, it would make them look bad if they showed it now. I'm just guessing here.
 
This article is not very good..

there is alot of ancedotal evidence in this article and it seems like he's reaching...

It's only been 2 weeks since the holidays.
 
I dont think at all that the 360 is gonna have a tough year sales wise, I think it will continue to sell multiconsole games better than the PS3.

however, I do think in terms of exclusive games the PS3 just destroys the 360 this year.
 
I agree that CES isn't typically a period where the game industry focuses on anymore, but there were several good points made in the article. I sort of agree that they are stuck in the cars and guns genre of games that sell on the system. You really have to question the diversity of the userbase when you sell a copy of Halo 3 to half of your total userbase.

Also here's something that I think should have been bolded:

Quick dinner-napkin calculations based on Microsoft's own estimates show that in 2007, the firm shipped fewer Xbox 360 consoles than it did in 2006.

That's an interesting figure if true.
 
KAOS said:
Wow! The slant has been set. What's weird is that Sony/PS3 hasn't really made a comeback yet but the perception is that MS/Xbox 360 needs to have one. Well you heard it MS it's time to make a comeback or die silently!
Seriously. Sony had an abysmal year and somehow the Xbox 360 is the one that needs to be saved.
 

Phthisis

Member
Just keep feeding me with great video games. Sales, market perception, and any of that doesn't matter one lick with me.
 
Hear that fellas! The X360 is on life support just like its LIVE service. Why this ever-insightful article pointed out exactly what Microsoft needs to do in order to recover or die tryi-- err, wait a second. This article mentioned no such thing. It did, however, mention that Sony can do no wrong now that Blu-Ray has won the war. However, how exactly will that victory sell games?

Marty Chinn said:
That's an interesting figure if true.
It was done on a dinner napkin... how could it not be true?
 

shintoki

sparkle this bitch
Wow, Sounds like this guy is a real playstation fan.
amount to a mass-market strategy that will finally unseat the PlayStation.

The complete absent of not even mentioning Wii...Is just disturbing:lol

So I guess it is is PS3, 360, and N/A
 
Marty Chinn said:
I agree that CES isn't typically a period where the game industry focuses on anymore, but there were several good points made in the article. I sort of agree that they are stuck in the cars and guns genre of games that sell on the system. You really have to question the diversity of the userbase when you sell a copy of Halo 3 to half of your total userbase.

Also here's something that I think should have been bolded:



That's an interesting figure if true.
It wouldn't be terribly suprising. They stuffed the shit out of the retail channels at the end of 2006 to meet their 10 million shipped goal. They barely shipped anything for the first couple of months of 07.
 

Agent Icebeezy

Welcome beautful toddler, Madison Elizabeth, to the horde!
Marty Chinn said:
I agree that CES isn't typically a period where the game industry focuses on anymore, but there were several good points made in the article. I sort of agree that they are stuck in the cars and guns genre of games that sell on the system. You really have to question the diversity of the userbase when you sell a copy of Halo 3 to half of your total userbase.

Also here's something that I think should have been bolded:



That's an interesting figure if true.

It is true, but they sold more consoles in 2007 than they did in 2006. They overstuffed the supply channel last year after Xmas 2006
 

NolbertoS

Member
I actually wrote a post waaaaay back that MS was stuck in the FPS genre for there system, they tried to get some JRPG's by having Mistwalker on board and they still haven't cracked Japan or gotten more of the users interested in JRPG's. MS has got to go all out and buy some Japanese development studios or imitate the Wii controls to capture more casuals. Don't know if you guys know but there was an article in some Medical Journal that the Wii is being considered for helping people who suffer keeping focus and trying to balance there body control, there looking into more things for the Wii and to think Nintendo may have stumbled onto something outside of videogames.
 
XBL problems are nearly insignificant compared to RROD problems, and the Xbox had a great year last year.

CES isn't the place where companies announce big console plans.

I'm really not sure what the article's central argument is based on--not hard data, not common sense, just some general feeling of impending doom. Worthless.
 

harSon

Banned
NolbertoS said:
I actually wrote a post waaaaay back that MS was stuck in the FPS genre for there system, they tried to get some JRPG's by having Mistwalker on board and they still haven't cracked Japan or gotten more of the users interested in JRPG's. MS has got to go all out and buy some Japanese development studios or imitate the Wii controls to capture more casuals. Don't know if you guys know but there was an article in some Medical Journal that the Wii is being considered for helping people who suffer keeping focus and trying to balance there body control, there looking into more things for the Wii and to think Nintendo may have stumbled onto something outside of videogames.

I'd say everyone outside of Nintendo is stuck in the shooting genre, it's not like anyone else is having any luck with different genre's this generation :lol
 

WarLox

Member
The Wii is trouncing the Xbox 360 in the casual market; the PS3 is keeping pace with it in week to week sales,


hahah... what ?? :lol
 

shintoki

sparkle this bitch
Open Source said:
XBL problems are nearly insignificant compared to RROD problems, and the Xbox had a great year last year.

CES isn't the place where companies announce big console plans.

I'm really not sure what the article's central argument is based on--not hard data, not common sense, just some general feeling of impending doom. Worthless.
Well, They need to feed the hardcore gaming public who keeps that software attachment rate high something now. Its time to start delivering on the goods. They aren't in Sony's spot now with abysmal software sales and decent hardware. But...If they want to remain competition in 08(Sony definitely stepped up the game and Wii is still crusin). they need to give us something.
 

RumFore

Banned
I have to admit I thought we would be hearing about more games. New news about 360 seems so for and between. Hardly nothing to get excited about.
 

Fady K

Member
Phthisis said:
Just keep feeding me with great video games. Sales, market perception, and any of that doesn't matter one lick with me.

You, my friend are a true gamer. Even I wish I spent less time looking at sales and all and more time playing the games themselves.
 
This column probably isn't as well written as they normally are, but beyond all the '360 is doomed lol' joke posts, he makes a valid point. The 360 shipped fewer consoles in 2007 than it did 2006.

This is not good, and basically means at this point, with most of its big guns rolled out for the forseeable future (yes we know GTAIV is there), it doesn't look like growing at all this coming year.

It may maintain, but the PS3 will experience massive growth surging towards year end. Whether that is enough to start surpassing the 360 is anyones guess, but the gap will almost certainly close.
 

harSon

Banned
RumFore said:
I have to admit I thought we would be hearing about more games. New news about 360 seems so for and between. Hardly nothing to get excited about.

1up yours this week basically confirmed that Microsoft would have a large presence at GDC (Month away) and was saving the majority of it's Xbox 360 related news for the show.
 

B-Ri

Member
WarLox said:
The Wii is trouncing the Xbox 360 in the casual market; the PS3 is keeping pace with it in week to week sales,


hahah... what ?? :lol

i dont know why people keep downplaying the PS3.

With the insane amounts of bad press, insane amounts of more bad press, much higher price tag then the competition, "lack of games", delays, ect. Its selling just as much as the 360 had when it launched.

2008 is Sony's for the taking, lets see if they do it.
 
Open Source said:
I'm really not sure what the article's central argument is based on--not hard data, not common sense, just some general feeling of impending doom. Worthless.
CNet should hire this guy to help fill the void of writers abandoning GameSpot like the Titanic. :D
 

Agent Icebeezy

Welcome beautful toddler, Madison Elizabeth, to the horde!
SealSqueal said:
This column probably isn't as well written as they normally are, but beyond all the '360 is doomed lol' joke posts, he makes a valid point. The 360 shipped fewer consoles in 2007 than it did 2006.

You aren't paying attention.

Shipped to retail has 2006 over 2007.
Sold to customer has 2007 over 2006.
 

quest

Not Banned from OT
B-Ri said:
i dont know why people keep downplaying the PS3.

With the insane amounts of bad press, insane amounts of more bad press, much higher price tag then the competition, "lack of games", delays, ect. Its selling just as much as the 360 had when it launched.

2008 is Sony's for the taking, lets see if they do it.

Not in NA and that is with 2 price cuts and a new lower cost model.
 

Dante

Member
harSon said:
1up yours this week basically confirmed that Microsoft would have a large presence at GDC (Month away) and was saving the majority of it's Xbox 360 related news for the show.

Not really. They hinted It's mostly XNA related stuff. GDC is not a consumer show.
 

WarLox

Member
B-Ri said:
i dont know why people keep downplaying the PS3.

With the insane amounts of bad press, insane amounts of more bad press, much higher price tag then the competition, "lack of games", delays, ect. Its selling just as much as the 360 had when it launched.

2008 is Sony's for the taking, lets see if they do it.

PS3 - 1 million Dec 07 NPD confirmed !!!
 
Top Bottom