Yep, its supposed to take place 1 month before the flash back case featured in 4.shykyoichi said:I got kinda confused as to what time period this game is in with regard to the rest of the PW games. I guess after 3 but before 4?
Yep, its supposed to take place 1 month before the flash back case featured in 4.shykyoichi said:I got kinda confused as to what time period this game is in with regard to the rest of the PW games. I guess after 3 but before 4?
Really? I thought it was extremely obvious in case 2 and 3. In fact, I knew the guilty party as soon as they were introduced in those cases. I'm in case 4 now and I'm pretty sure the guilty party is again the most obvious person, but I'm not completely positive yet.Rez said:I find that the AA Team has been falling back on the "the least obvious, innocent person is the guilty party" thing a bit too much in this game as well. In Cases 3 & 2 at least. It was awesome in AA2, but it's less effective when used two cases in a row.
upandaway said:Flesh what with who? Lang's not done yet. I guarantee he will appear again.
And if he won't, or if he will without his theme song, fuck the world.
I didn't mind him being a Klavier by the way, I think that type of opponent is good when used right. Sure, there's "I will ignore everything you say until I run out of excuses" and it's satisfying and all, but it doesn't beat "I will ignore everything you say until you convince me it's true then we will both feel awesome together".
Pureauthor said:He reeks of wasted potential.
...Like most of the characters in AJ, really, so I can't say he's much worse than the rest.
But the question is, when would Lang reappear? I have doubts that he would show up eight years later in AA5 (assuming that 5 picks up where 4 left off), especially when a number of other fan favorite characters from the first "era" weren't even mentioned. So that would mean his only chance is in something like a sequel to AAI. I'd almost be tempted to say he could be the main character of an Investigations 2, since it's actually his job to investigate and arrest suspects (unlike Edgeworth, who has apparently graduated from the CSI School of Doing Way More Than Your Job Dictates), but considering his personality type and his "detainment philosophy" that wouldn't work with the gameplay of the series. Unless they make a direct Edgeworth sequel, he's kind of stuck in nowhere-land, I'm afraid.Ben2749 said:I also expect to see Lang again, and I certainly hope so, but there's no reason that they couldn't have fleshed him out just a little bit more in this game. When a character has a such a huge grudge against a person or an entire profession, I'd like a little more explanation than a couple of lines of text.
Completely agree. Dropping the Phoenix arc entirely would have been highly disorienting to series fans, but they wanted to move on to a fresh cast as well. Phoenix had to lose his attorney's badge somehow, because otherwise he could just super-lawyer his way around every case and Apollo would be rendered pointless. The way that AA4 played out is really the only way it could have played out with any sense of closure, and now the reigns have been passed on to Apollo and Trucy.Ben2749 said:The way I see it, Apollo Justice was like Metal Gear Solid 2. Phoenix isn't the playable character, but he's very much the main character, as it's his story. One that can only be told effectively from somebody else's perspective. Focusing too much on the other characters would detract from that and make it their story.
I think that AJ was supposed to serve as a "bridge" game, a means of introducing a new cast of characters and starting anew, but also waving off Phoenix (I'm guessing he'll be in future AJ games, but will have a much smaller role) in order to prevent players from feeling too alienated at being forced to forget everything and everybody cold-turkey and starting from scratch. I think under the circumstances, it's OK that the other characters didn't receive too much attention. Their personalities were established, in this game, and I expect the next game to build upon that and give them their own stories.
ScrabbleDude said:I'm in case 4 now and I'm pretty sure the guilty party is again the most obvious person, but I'm not completely positive yet.
Doorman said:So that would mean his only chance is in something like a sequel to AAI.
Doorman said:Completely agree. Dropping the Phoenix arc entirely would have been highly disorienting to series fans, but they wanted to move on to a fresh cast as well. Phoenix had to lose his attorney's badge somehow, because otherwise he could just super-lawyer his way around every case and Apollo would be rendered pointless. The way that AA4 played out is really the only way it could have played out with any sense of closure, and now the reigns have been passed on to Apollo and Trucy.
Ben2749 said:Yeah, I would actually be surprised if we *didn't* eventually get a sequel to AAI. The Phoenix line of games are over, but Edgeworth is a fan-favourite, and a great way of keeping that arc and it's characters around, and largely seperate from the Apollo Justice line of games (which take place in the future, and have their own characters to expand upon).
Not only do I love each and every single Ace Attorney game, but I love the way it's been handled; splitting it into two seperate series after Phoenix' own games wrapped up was the perfect way to do it. Apollo Justice receives so much undeserved hate, when it was the ONLY way they could have advanced the series. And they did it perfectly, in my opinion.
Man, you really don't remember 1-1 or 1-2, do you?Freakinchair said:Not only that, he acts unprofessional and childlike during cases and, for the most part, seems to rely on other people bailing him out most of the time instead of coming up with his own logic.
thefro said:The problem is they clearly shoehorned Phoenix into AA4 and they're going to need another game at some point to resolve that error. His friends all abandoning him makes no sense after the arc of the first three games.
Freakinchair said:I think alot of the hate for Apollo Justice is that we spent the last three games playing as Pheonix, going through many "trials and tribulations" and really becoming/empathizing with that character to... being some nobody with a completely retarded haircut :lol
Not only that, he acts unprofessional and childlike during cases and, for the most part, seems to rely on other people bailing him out most of the time instead of coming up with his own logic. Maybe it's just a fault of being the "first" in his series but I genuinely don't like the character nearly as much as Pheonix.
ShockingAlberto said:Man, you really don't remember 1-1 or 1-2, do you?
dragonlife29 said:Holy fucking shit.
I just finished a few minutes ago and...
I think it's in my top 3 favorite AA games. I don't know, I'm really going to have to replay the rest now, which will be awesome since I've left them unplayed long enough to be unsure of the details
I fucking loved case 4, and I thinkCalisto Yew is a fucking awesome character.
These were my theories :lol:
"'Okay, she's a man! She's gotta be! I mean, just listen to that 'Objection!'"
"All right, dragonlife29, keep an eye out for anyone with a similar build as Calisto Yew in Case 5, be it man or woman!"
*you slowly start to suspect Shih-na's involved in the murder*
*Epic Testimony tune plays, you corner her...and she laughs, clutching her sides with a big "=D"*
...
"What. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!? OMG!" I seriously just sat there like an idiot, mouth open and staring blankly at my roof as if there were someone around for me to tell, "Dude..."
I can't believe I was fucking duped into thinking Shih-na was her own character until the very end. Goddamn. So much so that I didn't even bother thinking of her as possibly being Calisto Yew!
Also, Calisto Yew is a fucking awesome character--at least, I think so. But I think I already said that
Also: CALISTO YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWW!!! Please appear in future AA games!!! <3
Jintor said:By the way
If the KG-8 files are in Edgeworth's office... than Byrne Faraday must have owned the office before Miles. So Byrne Faraday - despite his lack of convictions - must have been a high prosecutor at the least.
Not terribly important, but interesting.
Ben2749 said:Shoehorned? Like I said above, Phoenix was definitely the main character in AA4. Between the first and last case (which are definitely the most significant ones; the other two are filler), it's pretty obvious that it's his story.
And I don't see any reason to say that his friends "abandoned" him. Just because you don't see any of them doesn't mean they've ditched him. The only two characters who are even particularly close to him are Maya and Pearl, and it's entirely reasonable that they're busy training in Kurain Village. After all, don't forget that Maya is off training during Case 5 of the original PW. Hell, in one of the AJ cases, if you examine a pile of DVD's (I think they're even Steel Samurai ones), Phoenix specifically says that a friend keeps sending him them.
Besides, if Maya and Pearl did show up (or even just Maya), it would take too much attention away from the new cast of characters, especially Trucy. Phoenix is still the main character, but since AJ is supposed to act as a bridge game, it still needed to establish it's own cast, and make sure that people started to care about them, rather than clinging on to the old characters.
Hcoregamer00 said:I agree, they developedCaliso Yew extremely well, she would have made the perfect final villain. If they didn't turn Alba into the supervillain in the end, she would have been the perfect one to take down.
Well, Apollo did take his first case even younger than Phoenix did, and given the direction that his first case took, I think it made a little sense that he was nervous about it. Phoenix--and hell, even Mia--displayed similar jitters in their early cases, but they had time to grow into their own. I thought that Apollo and Klavier both handled themselves very well by the fourth case.Freakinchair said:Its been awhile, but I meant more like how he sticks his finger on his forehead when he tries to think REALLY hard. Or how he calls everyone 'sir' and stammers all the time. Little things that annoy me
Don't get me wrong, I loved the game - Its just I wish they would have created a more mature hero character.
Gonna go replay 1-1 and 1-2 now to refresh my memory though :lol
Ben2749 said:Not only do I love each and every single Ace Attorney game, but I love the way it's been handled; splitting it into two seperate series after Phoenix' own games wrapped up was the perfect way to do it. Apollo Justice receives so much undeserved hate, when it was the ONLY way they could have advanced the series. And they did it perfectly, in my opinion.
Doorman said:Lastly, something I found very strange about the last case:Did anybody else find it strange how Edgeworth puts such a big amount of debate into presenting the trump card and video as "illegal evidence," and they even give you a choice about it, but ultimately all of that meant nothing? I at least though the fact that it was not going to be usable in court would come up, but after all of that internal debate, nobody cared.
Yeah, I really wantedHcoregamer00 said:I agree, they developedCaliso Yew extremely well, she would have made the perfect final villain. If they didn't turn Alba into the supervillain in the end, she would have been the perfect one to take down.
I laughed, too, and I'm glad I'm not the only that caught it :lol I did more of a, "Wait, what? Just a while ago you--!"Obsessed said:I lol'ed at the double standard...
Lang: Meekins did it for sure!
ME: But Officer Meekins has no motive!
Lang: So what? Lack of a motive means nothing.
Later
ME: Lance Amano did it!
Lang: BUT LANCE AMANO HAS NO MOTIVE!
ME: Damn, I need to prove that he had a motive.
Doorman said:Lastly, something I found very strange about the last case:Did anybody else find it strange how Edgeworth puts such a big amount of debate into presenting the trump card and video as "illegal evidence," and they even give you a choice about it, but ultimately all of that meant nothing? I at least though the fact that it was not going to be usable in court would come up, but after all of that internal debate, nobody cared.
charlequin said:The personality of new characters in AJ has never been the major criticism I've heard of that game, so I guess this particular angle for your perennial AJ hate-on kind of confuses me.
Doorman said:Lastly, something I found very strange about the last case:Did anybody else find it strange how Edgeworth puts such a big amount of debate into presenting the trump card and video as "illegal evidence," and they even give you a choice about it, but ultimately all of that meant nothing? I at least though the fact that it was not going to be usable in court would come up, but after all of that internal debate, nobody cared.
Gunloc said:Slight Over Reliance on "One Note" Cameos
While most of the returning character really added to the game, some of them are really starting to wear thin.I really don't need to see Larry, Oldbag, Meekins and to a lesser degree, Maggey again for a long time. It's the same shtick every time and they've all appeared in 3 or more games each. Time to give them a rest and let some other characters get some limelight.
Edgeward said:I actually wanted a bit more out of the cameosI can't get enough of the Larry and Oldbag is good here because of her chemistry to Edgeworth same for Maggie to Gumshoe. Meekins really didn't need to be there, and way to kill the cameo of Ema Skye. And one shot deal with only a paragraph of total lines?! She is one of faves dammit.
Gunloc said:Well, I knew Oldbag would have to be in the first one considering her connection to Edgeworth. But I don't think she needed to be in two cases, and I hope that she'll be regulated to background only (if anything) for the next few games. (I would say the same for Larry.)
I actually like Maggey but she's not evolving at all. If she appears again, I don't really want to hear how her entire life is nothing but bad luck. She needs to start making her luck change. (Her lines in the ending might suggest this, so I'm hopeful.)
As for her relationship with Gumshoe, I know it's supposed to be cute but I don't really see the connection. Their relationship is stuck on the surface level with little interaction besides Gumshoe sticking up for her and Maggey pouting. I know the two lovable losers thing is supposed to make up for that, but I don't feel it.
And Ema was ripped off, for sure.
Yeah, I can agree with a lot of this. Interesting that JFA is your favorite game since it gets a lot of flack. Comparing the final scenes to this gameCoxswain said:I just finished it this afternoon. ....
sinxtanx said:Really liked this game, case 5 dragged on a bit but was worth it.
I'd place it as third best in the series, after T&T(1) and AA(2).
Those two in particular jumped out at me, actually. If it helps you, you should examine carefully and make note of anything unusual in any piece of evidence you get. It may sound obvious, but miss it once and you're likely to lose 3-4 hits for it.Rewrite said:Okay, I think I'm at the final part of case 3 but god damn is this case hard in the rebuttals. Sometimes I didn't know what the fuck to present. For instance, my bar almost went down in the rebuttal whereStuff like that is what made this case kind of frustrating to me. I don't know if any of you guys had a similar experience.in one of the testimonies (I forgot who) mentioned something about 2 costumes or something when originally it was 3. Then there was also this part of a testimony about the whole right hand/left hand thing where you had to present the letter.
A point system sounds much better; you get less points because you're stupid but you don't have to do the save/reset trick every few minutes breaking the pacing of the game. It seems the AA games are stuck between being games and being interactive novels and Capcom doesn't know which way to take the series either.upandaway said:Biggest problem is the penalty for dying. Sure we NEED penalty of some sort, but to just replay the whole thing (without even the fastforward option) really sucks.
I don't know, maybe something like Professor Layton where you lose points?
Heh, biggest problem with the plot; fanservice.Gunloc said:Slight Over Reliance on "One Note" Cameos
While most of the returning character really added to the game, some of them are really starting to wear thin.I really don't need to see Larry, Oldbag, Meekins and to a lesser degree, Maggey again for a long time. It's the same shtick every time and they've all appeared in 3 or more games each. Time to give them a rest and let some other characters get some limelight.
ShockingAlberto said:Just finished it.
I really liked how, at the end, they basically made a joke out ofPhoenix always being saved by a dramatic "HOLD IT!" from someone in the gallery.
N4Us said:And I disagree with the other opinions here,there wasn't enough Larry.