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MS Dances Around 1080p Support: IGN Interview
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Shogmaster
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JB1981 said:
That's all fine, but by then, most games on both console will be still in the 720p neighborhood instead of 1080p neighborhood. 1080p TVs will be in force much earlier than the games. 1080p is really meant for XBox1080 and PS4.
bill0527 said:
Note ... KLee was referring to new TV's ... ie. 2007 models (it's like cars, some are already out now).
Obviously stores still have stock plenty of stock from 2006 (and some earlier) models.
This is a bit of a nitpick ... the more relevant point is what percenatge of TV's in stores will be 1080p when PS3 starts hitting the mainstream. It will be VERY significant.
JB1981 said:
VGA is currently found on far more TV sets than HDMI. Of course, far more 1080p TV sets have HDMI than have VGA.
This shit is confusing and the combination of that and the retarded manchild haters popping in to smear their feces on it will ensure the topic never ever goes away. It also serves to demonstrate that hanging ANY claim of eventual victory on that single feature is borderline retarded. People DON'T GET IT. They do not and cannot understand the vagaries of this technology.
A far more significant number is how many 1080p TVs are in people's homes. This Xmas is a wash of course, but let's say by next Xmas. It's still going to be a tiny number.
SnakeXs said:
Yeah my take on the article was that they were simply talking to whoever was manning the phones at the time, and not somebody that was technically versed - Much like the Joystiq article that quoted Shane Kim when he gave out incorrect information. They need to be asking the technical people these questions because the PR staff, Executives, and the call center clerks have no idea about this stuff.
Shogmaster
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Miburou said:
Such transcoders if they exist will be mucho expensive. Buying a stand alone HD-DVD player with HDMI might be cheaper.
Shogmaster said:That's all fine, but by then, most games on both console will be still in the 720p neighborhood instead of 1080p neighborhood. 1080p TVs will be in force much earlier than the games. 1080p is really meant for XBox1080 and PS4.
Yeah, all those PS3 launch games running in 1080p native are the result of Sony strong-arming. Once launch is over and they've used up the bullet point Sony will downrez everything to 720p, amirite, Shog? I swear you're the most disingenuous ****ing debater here.
Stinkles said:
Far more? I suppose that may be true of TV's currently in peoples homes (probably still not 'far more' though).
However, many of those do not accept 1080p ... so it's kind of moot.
What of year 3 for PS3? Year 4? Year 5? etc.?
I think it will be a relevant enough amount to be well beyond a niche market.
ForzaItalia
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Where are the Wii specs in that chart? I know it doesn't do HD so does that mean 480i is the best it can do or can it it do 480p?
sonycowboy
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Stinkles said:
True. I can see the advantage of VGA when playing a DVD as that is the only allowable upscaling, but for consumer sets that do 1080p, I'm not sure that they accept 1080p over VGA, in which case, you're better off doing 720p/1080i through the component cables.
I just don't see VGA helping out much in this particular situation for HD-DVD.
Shogmaster
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JB1981 said:
As console development wears on, the desire to push more complex FXs overcome any pursuit of marketing bulletpoint. Maintaining 1080p is gonna be problem for both machines is alot of complex shaders are used. That last sentence is pretty much fact.
Oh and Pot kettle black. :lol
Miburou said:
Just use a DVI-D to Vga adapter. That way you still get 1080p
$6.23
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Mrbob said:
Considering TVs are a yearl business, I doubt that. I don't foresee there being a gigantic swing this January, when most TVs for the year are done/announced, and they'll be in stores around summer/Fall of 07.
That said, 720p and 1080i aren't stop gaps. They're here for good. Broadcast TV ain't changing. It's still a premium "feature". It will be defacto in a long time, as 720p and 1080i both scale wonderfully to it, and people who watch plenty of movies (once next gen format war ends and start moving) will want to get the most out of their expensive media player and media format.
Blah.
Shogmaster
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Heezzi said:
DVI-D only sends out digital signals. That cable won't do shit.
ForzaItalia
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SnakeXs said:
This is a good point. I work for Bell Canada and the cost/trouble of trying to display a 1080p feed really isn't feasible at the moment....especially with the cabling out there.
1080p is pretty much for gaming and HD DVDs.
Shogmaster
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JB1981 said:
It's probably true for none 1080p HDTVs since HDMI is relatively new and VGA has been included in HDTVs for a while now. If it is still true, obviously it won't be true for too long.
But interesting thing is that in the biggest segment of HDTVs sold, which is direct view LCDs, 99% still carries VGA input.
I'm not getting into this based on 360's hardware... some things are questionable to me... but anyways, this is my qualm...
People... get with it... time isn't in freeze here until the next consoles come out: How you ask? Simple, there will be more and more 1080p HDTV's available, and available at a constantly lowering price... that is FACT...
It's called future proofing... it's called it's nice to know that when you get that new set within a couple years, you have a console to take advantage of it... Christ... You can't afford a set no matter what year? TS to you... I will work some extra hours need be to get one, and I'm sure lot's of others will be able to acquire one as well... So PO you wankers... I can't afford certain things but I don't bitch and moan while trashing it because I can't have it while others can... good for them! /rant...
People... get with it... time isn't in freeze here until the next consoles come out: How you ask? Simple, there will be more and more 1080p HDTV's available, and available at a constantly lowering price... that is FACT...
It's called future proofing... it's called it's nice to know that when you get that new set within a couple years, you have a console to take advantage of it... Christ... You can't afford a set no matter what year? TS to you... I will work some extra hours need be to get one, and I'm sure lot's of others will be able to acquire one as well... So PO you wankers... I can't afford certain things but I don't bitch and moan while trashing it because I can't have it while others can... good for them! /rant...
shpankey
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what is the ultimate point you all are trying to get to with this? that most gamers in the world are going to eventually have 1080p HDTV sets during this console generation? [and therefore the implication that it will be a major reason gamers chose the PS3 over 360].
cause if it's not ^^ that, then wtf are we even arguing FOR?
if it is that, then you're just out of your mind. hell, most gamers today don't even have progressive scan 480 sets. think of all the millions of gamers worldwide and how most of them don't even buy a console till it's $99 or less.
cause if it's not ^^ that, then wtf are we even arguing FOR?
if it is that, then you're just out of your mind. hell, most gamers today don't even have progressive scan 480 sets. think of all the millions of gamers worldwide and how most of them don't even buy a console till it's $99 or less.
Shogmaster
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JB1981 said:
Fixed.
SnakeXs said:
A percentage of every manufacturers 2007 line IS 1080p ... with some companies hitting around 50%
They are a stop-gap in so far as the fact they WILL be relegated to a minority over the next few years ... and then a small minority later.
And note, 1080i TV's will practically gone soon (they almost already are) ... as they are CRT-based.
It is expected that most TV broadcasts will end up 1080i, since that offers better resolution (it is equivelent to 1080p @ 30fps) ... the new movie formats are 1080p ... and TV companies are known to be moving to 1080p as the standard.
btw
http://www.displaysearch.com/press/pr-printer.html?id=933
1080p sure is taking the industry by storm
http://www.displaysearch.com/press/pr-printer.html?id=933
1080p sure is taking the industry by storm
Shogmaster
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xaosslug said:
I love my post counts! :lol
Mark Gonzales
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It doesn't matter anyway. They won't be making any 1080p games native for the 360 anyway because of DVD-9.
sonycowboy said:
Samsung sets (and others) support up to 1900x1200 at 60hz for VGA. Not all sets do however, so you should check your manufacturer before using that as your solution. That's true for everyone actually. When you're picking a set, for whichever console, make sure it supports all the standards and cables that you need or want to use for your chosen system.
sonycowboy
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Shogmaster said:
One of the many possibilities of an exception to your belief that 1080p won't be significant is the multiplatform game. If developers are working towards the lowest common denominator, which doesn't push ANY system as hard as they should be, it might be a free bump for them to enable 1080p. Tony Hawk is doing it, EA Skate is doing it, Army of Two, Virtua Fighter, etc.
By the by, didn't you tell us back at E3 2005, that maybe 5% of titles in the PS3's lifetime would be 1080p?
You also said (and weren't alone)
Shoggie Doggie said:
Shogmaster
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Mark Gonzales said:
This is quite true. This is also why no PC games currently do anything beyond 1280x720 as well. PC devs are desperately are waiting for BR and HD-DVD.
sangreal said:
:lol
Well duh ... they are just now starting to hit good price-points.
This forced prices down on lower-res sets (especially in the LCD/plasma market) ... so there were a lot of sales for older stock.
That doesn't change the fact that the trend is there, prices are continuing to come down, and that a higher and higher percentage of new TV's are 1080p.
People really need to stop with this short-term menality ... this generation is going to be around 5-6 years at least ... and won't even be mainstream for what ... 3?
Shogmaster
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sonycowboy said:
I think that statement isn't necessarily false yet.
Kittonwy said:
Exactly... most, as in most likely, HDTV's that are "coming out" soon, newer models, will have 1080p... why not? It's stupid not to have it... and you'll see that by those times come where SD signals are dropped, and ppl have to go out and get new HDTV's, they will pick up a set that's going to last them, as salesppl will say... and most likely, 1080p will be in it...
and yes... 1080p sets are becoming affordable... my next new entertainment room tv I get will be 1080p... why shouldn't it?
720p and 1080i will not be done for while based on the fact that HDTV is broadcasting using them as stardards... Only use that 1080p will possibly get is from either consoles or HD-DVD or BlueRay players.. Pretty much useless. In fact, at the moment, 720p HD is useless because there are only like 20 channels tops... (I only get 10 and 2 of those don't even show HD content just are capable.)
Shogmaster
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shpankey said:the ownage delivered in this post is just too awesome to not quote :lol well played shog, well played.
Something tells me that you're one of the only few that got it.