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Nearly 2 years later and District 9's CGI STILL blows my mind
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SCULLIBUNDO
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TacticalFox88 said:
Refer to the any of the pictures above. In motion there is no contest - Neytiri drinking is in the same post. The part where Neytiri and Jake escape from the Leonoptryx and start laughing it becomes undisputed.
I disagree. Even the forest scenes, which were utterly fantastic and beautiful looked completely CG to me. Amazing achievement for the animators, but never once did I think any of the film was like a real environment. I know, alien world and all but it was still obviously CG.TacticalFox88 said:
Neuromancer
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SPACE TRUCKERS!!!bengraven said:
Foreign Jackass
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Scullibundo : We're talking about the realism of the visuals, here. Not the art aspect of it. The art aspect, you can discuss. I sincerely hate the art in Avatar, and you can legitimately like it if you have bad taste (well, according to me).
The realism, though, you cannot argue. If something looks realistic to you, but doesn't look realistic to other people, it is NOT realistic. To be realistic looking, it has to fool people into thinking it is REAL. You're the only one fooled in this thread, right now. According to me, Avatar does not look realistic, not for a single second. Since it doesn't look realistic to me and a great number of people, it is not realistic. End of the argument. We're not talking about taste, here. We're talking about something looking real.
The realism, though, you cannot argue. If something looks realistic to you, but doesn't look realistic to other people, it is NOT realistic. To be realistic looking, it has to fool people into thinking it is REAL. You're the only one fooled in this thread, right now. According to me, Avatar does not look realistic, not for a single second. Since it doesn't look realistic to me and a great number of people, it is not realistic. End of the argument. We're not talking about taste, here. We're talking about something looking real.
LaserBuddha
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GloveSlap said:
Thanks.
Also, I wouldn't discount the fact that people can easily be like "that looks fake" when it's something that absolutely must be CG to begin with. I think when you remove the intellectual doubt about what you're seeing, it affects the suspension of disbelief too.
Foreign Jackass said:
There are points where Avatar is pretty convincing. Even though I agree that, on the whole, Avatar does not look realistic, your post is full of terrible logic.
Also, there are too many differences that make a direct comparison of D9 and Avatar unfair.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Foreign Jackass said:
Hey Jackass, I haven't been arguing the artistic aspect of it. If you read my posts you'll find that I'm absolutely talking to the realism of Avatar's visuals. You would be hard pressed to convince myself and a huge number of audience members that many parts of Avatar didn't a) Look realistic and b) Look much more realistic than D9.
Count Dookkake
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D9 was an amusing b-movie when I first saw it.
Now I can't even finish the thing.
FX are a'ight, I suppose.
Now I can't even finish the thing.
FX are a'ight, I suppose.
LegendofJoe
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I give D9 a pass because it was such an ambitious production. The people in charge were inexperienced and unproven, so seen in that light I think the movie was wildly successful. It would be unfair for the team who put it together to not get another shot at improving the trial run that was D9. I will be sorely, sorely disappointed if D10 is never made.
Kai Dracon
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I'll watch D9 again and again for Dat Mech. F- everything else, including James Cameron and his goofy, gorilla suit Avatar mechs.
Dat Mech in D9, well, that was just mech porn for the hardcore military sci-fi fan.
Dat Mech in D9, well, that was just mech porn for the hardcore military sci-fi fan.
LaserBuddha
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Kaijima said:
Well, Sharlto Copley/Wikus is pretty endearing...
Thank you for reminding me that it's been two years already since D9 released, when to me it feels like it was just a few months ago. :|
I'm going to go curl up in bed and contemplate the exponential acceleration of time and how I increasingly feel like I accomplish nothing with the time I'm given.
I'm going to go curl up in bed and contemplate the exponential acceleration of time and how I increasingly feel like I accomplish nothing with the time I'm given.
Foreign Jackass
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Exactly what I was meaning. But saying that Avatar looks realistic, and more realistic than D9, is empty, since people just don't agree with you and you don't have any arguments except showing pictures, which people have already seen. They already concluded that it did not look realistic, and they've already seen the movie. They didn't feel it looked real (me included). So... if a lot of people say it doesn't look like something real, how do you argue against that position? If it ain't real, and a significant portion of people can tell, than how can it be realistic? It's just not. Same with D9. Both aren't realistic at all. D9 just looks more realistic to me because of its integration in real visuals, where Avatar is completely fake from top to bottom, and, well, even if you're gonna argue against it, to me and an army of Avatar haters, it looks like shit. Not realistic looking shit, either. Fake shit.Scullibundo said:
I don't know. A friend of mine is from South Africa and her dad was in the police force and had to conduct those shack "inspections" regularly. She said that part was pretty accurate.TeethMummy said:
But obviously the entire movie had to have other elements than an exact replication of past events using aliens.
I had a long weekend and nothing to do on Sunday and watched all POTC in a row on blu ray( I know I know ) CG definitely got better, but yeah Davey Jones head is probably some of the most impressive CG I ever seen. The rest of the films visuals are pretty hokey but Davey Jones is wow.
District 9 on Blu ray is fantastic, the lighting is spot on.
District 9 on Blu ray is fantastic, the lighting is spot on.
Mister Wilhelm
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XMonkey said:
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ElectricBlue187
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District 9 looks awful. Maybe if you had low expectations going in you could be surprised. Mine weren't met.
Scullibundo said:
Does Avatar's CGI look bad? No, it looks great. To me though it just doesn't look realistic because the entire world is CGI. That's where District 9 stands out, it, for me, in many places, blends the CGI prawns seamlessly into the world. There were times in District 9 where I had trouble telling if it was CGI or actual special effects when it came to the prawns. As for the face idea, I'd say it's far harder to give a bug-like alien readable emotions than giant cat-people.
Foreign Jackass
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-COOLIO- said:
what the fuck?
a) words taken out of context make no sense
b) yeah
District 9 looks great, but its not THAT impressive, as Starship Troopers pretty much paved the way for it. Realistic shell-like creatures were done back in 98, so in 09, its not that huge of a deal. There's something about the way light bounces off the crustacean like texture that lends itself to CG really well IIRC.
I wouldn't say its even in the same stratosphere as Avatar. The thing with Avatar is that despite being full of so much CG, all of it has weight, all of it feels like the elements belong, and its never hiding behind a crutch, its all in the spotlight to see, and all of it works. The best CG work of Avatar is pretty much the best CG work in the history of cinema, District 9 can't really compare.
I don't really care what matches to OUR reality closer, I care about what works in the reality presented on screen, and Avatar presents such a complete package of things that work, not to mention the best human/CG integration, and CGI emoting ever seen on film, that in the end, its an easy winner over D9, never mind every other CG heavy film in existence. At no point did the seams of the reality that Cameron fabricated ever begin to even remotely tear. It all felt so utterly tangible, especially in 3D.
Even in a scene where the natural lighting is unlike anything you would see on Earth, the photo-realism is still showcased:
The fact that someone mentioned "putting aside Pandora" kinda says it all. You can't seperate it. The whole thing is a massive, massive, massive undertaking, that is probably still years ahead of what any other movie in production or pre-production can achieve (or afford to achieve
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I wouldn't say its even in the same stratosphere as Avatar. The thing with Avatar is that despite being full of so much CG, all of it has weight, all of it feels like the elements belong, and its never hiding behind a crutch, its all in the spotlight to see, and all of it works. The best CG work of Avatar is pretty much the best CG work in the history of cinema, District 9 can't really compare.
I don't really care what matches to OUR reality closer, I care about what works in the reality presented on screen, and Avatar presents such a complete package of things that work, not to mention the best human/CG integration, and CGI emoting ever seen on film, that in the end, its an easy winner over D9, never mind every other CG heavy film in existence. At no point did the seams of the reality that Cameron fabricated ever begin to even remotely tear. It all felt so utterly tangible, especially in 3D.
Even in a scene where the natural lighting is unlike anything you would see on Earth, the photo-realism is still showcased:
The fact that someone mentioned "putting aside Pandora" kinda says it all. You can't seperate it. The whole thing is a massive, massive, massive undertaking, that is probably still years ahead of what any other movie in production or pre-production can achieve (or afford to achieve
).SCULLIBUNDO
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Avatars cg is realistic. There's no questioning it. That GIF of Neytiri on the tree looking at Jake as the shadows pass around her could be passed off as real to someone not in the know. There are ton of cg in avatar that people don't even know is cg. Like half the set of the lab, or some Quaritch scenes when he's in the mech. I'm sure Cameron threw those in there just to mess with the naysayers.
I love District 9, but some scenes don't really blend that well in motion. Every scene with the mech feels off, and that spaceship crashing scene looked like sci fi channel crap.
I love District 9, but some scenes don't really blend that well in motion. Every scene with the mech feels off, and that spaceship crashing scene looked like sci fi channel crap.
MikeOfTheLivingDead
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TacticalFox88 said:
They only had to make one creature for the movie, and honestly, it isn't that difficut to make a realistic looking cockroach. I didn't like D9 much and I liked Avatar even less, but Avatar is a much more technically impressive film if you are speaking solely about effects.
I dont think theres a problem with the blending in D9 at all, if anything it does an amazing job of compositing.Bit-Bit said:
But I do have issues with the so called grittiness of it. D9 is so purely digital, clean and pristine. I never got the "real" and "down and dirty" feel from it. Avatar is digital as well, but it has this natural and organic feel to it that D9 doesn't.
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saying 'it looks better than avatar' doesn't help anyone.
the movie is outstanding though.
the movie is outstanding though.
bafflewaffle
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if its lacking what is the point? it is like saying look at the incredible rich colors of this piece of shit, the pieces of corn are incredibly ripe and juicyLaserBuddha said:
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bafflewaffle said:
Erm, he's saying that this thread is specifically about effects work so it doesn't get shitted up with people whinging about story.
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CGI in District 9>CGI in Avatar. Hell, the movie is better in every way. District 9 looks real, whereas Avatar seems like a glorified cartoon once you strip away the 3D. I watched some of it in HD last week and while the animation/movement is stunning, the character models look bad and the design is pure cheese.
Avatar looks absolutely fantastic but has its flaws. One of them, the one that bothers me the most, is when real actors are mixed with rendered environment or objects. At those times it looks really bad.
District 9 is much better at mixing CGI with real photage. It might be easier putting CGI characters into a real world than real characters into a CGI world, I dunno, but that is why I prefer the effects in D9.
I prefer D9 to Avatar as a movie too but that is out of scoop.
District 9 is much better at mixing CGI with real photage. It might be easier putting CGI characters into a real world than real characters into a CGI world, I dunno, but that is why I prefer the effects in D9.
I prefer D9 to Avatar as a movie too but that is out of scoop.
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