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Nearly 2 years later and District 9's CGI STILL blows my mind
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Gotta love it.
You can have a production, filled with tons of incredibly talented people, putting together amazing amounts of work in order to construct one of the most fully fleshed out fictional worlds ever seen in cinema, yet you'll still have people relegating it to "stock" status, essentially negating all the amazing (and rightfully rewarded as so) work done by everyone involved.
You can have a production, filled with tons of incredibly talented people, putting together amazing amounts of work in order to construct one of the most fully fleshed out fictional worlds ever seen in cinema, yet you'll still have people relegating it to "stock" status, essentially negating all the amazing (and rightfully rewarded as so) work done by everyone involved.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Dead said:
Yet if the same film were an underground anime with original japanese voice dubs, GAF would be in love with it.
TacticalFox88
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Only a few people are denying Avatar's technical marvel, but you'd be an utter fool to say it's story hasn't been told since the beginning of time. I love the movie (hell, I bought all three versions of it day 1 with no regrets), but recognize its faults.Dead said:
District 9 wasn't entertaining. In fact, very few that have liked it have been able to explain what actually made it entertaining. That's one of the more frustrating things about it, but this isn't the thread for that I suppose.Copernicus said:
I will say that the thing you accused Avatar of, D9 is guilty of. It's basically Avatar on a lower budget and uglier aliens and far less interesting characters...with inferior effects.
Whereas Avatar is a superior Ferngully
lol), D9 is an inferior Avatar.
Bitmap Frogs
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Avatar is impressive although inconsistent. CGI Sigourney weaver looked like crap. Anytime they used that purple lighting like in the final scenes at the tree looked poor as well. I thought the exterior shots of the spaceship at the beginning were mediocre as well. However everything under sunlight was downright gorgeous and believable.
D9 CGI was very nice given the budget but I feel the alien design helped tremendously. Major props however on getting those ugly prawns delivering emotion - particularly the scene where the kid prawn is told about the new camp.
However, call me old fashioned but that blade runner screencap looks and feels better than Avatar's CGI orgy.
D9 CGI was very nice given the budget but I feel the alien design helped tremendously. Major props however on getting those ugly prawns delivering emotion - particularly the scene where the kid prawn is told about the new camp.
However, call me old fashioned but that blade runner screencap looks and feels better than Avatar's CGI orgy.
Although Blade Runner looked mind blowing back in the 80s too, I do think its fair to note that the Screencap of BR is not representative of the film as it was originally released
It'd be like if 10 years from now, after Cameron re-rendered the entirety of Avatar, someone posted a screencap from the new version to prove how its aged
It'd be like if 10 years from now, after Cameron re-rendered the entirety of Avatar, someone posted a screencap from the new version to prove how its aged
SCULLIBUNDO
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The only thing time Avatar looks off to me is
1. The Earth opening city shot. It looks like all the actors are on a big soundstage. As I understand it, WETA wasn't responsible for doing the effects on that shot.
2. The 'lights out' scene where all the new Avatar drivers put their avatars to sleep for the first time.
1. The Earth opening city shot. It looks like all the actors are on a big soundstage. As I understand it, WETA wasn't responsible for doing the effects on that shot.
2. The 'lights out' scene where all the new Avatar drivers put their avatars to sleep for the first time.
TheChewyWaffles
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Dead said:
What's the source for this? I've not heard that anything was remastered for bluray.
edit: Ok, now I've got to watch a movie.
heliosRAzi
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This fucker right here. What amazes me is that people were fooled by it, thinking that only a part was CGI. No, you goddamn motherfuckers, Davy Jones was ENTIRELY CG down to his boots.
TheChewyWaffles
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Dead said:
Interesting. I guess I didn't pay close enough attention to the details of the Final Cut edition.
BTW, Blade Runner never feels aged to me. Star Wars (original trilogy) feels aged. A lot of other good 80's movies feel aged, but Blade Runner feels very timeless. A true masterpiece.
triplestation
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I thought Avatar was dumb and tedious. D9 on the other hand, was and still is incredible.
TheChewyWaffles
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The Eye. One of my favorite shots in the whole film.
PrivateWHudson
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Alucrid said:
bafflewaffle
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No. Usually I let these type of comments slide but no. I am an honest person (maybe too honest) who has shared my thoughts. Like I said I dont share your perspective on things, so please dont just dismiss it in such a way. These accusations may stem from paranoia or an inability to deal with other points of view. I suppose people who do effects for a living take pride in their work, aside from that Im rather puzzled. Form and content are one for me. Thanks for listening.Scullibundo said:
HomerSimpson-Man said:It's like someone set some kind of crazy special effects challenge for the FX team.
Producers:
"So you are going to make visuals effects of quality of more typical $150 million dollars films.....
......at only 1/5 the budget."
FX Team:
It worked for Star Wars.
lolCopernicus said:
I think OP's point was give the D9 director 300+ million and he'll shit all over Avatar. Designs and everything.
Oh and the Avatar pimps should realise that Avatar is technological marvel because of its tools, those are ground-breaking. Give WETA or ILM so many years with the render farms and they will easily crank out better visual fidelity than this.
AdventureRacing
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irfan said:
I love district 9 and im not a big fan of avatar but this is total bullshit. There is no way to know that for sure. Just because those teams can work well with a small budget doesn't mean they could achieve more than the avatar team given the same budget.
SCULLIBUNDO
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bafflewaffle said:
I'm sorry for assuming you were trolling, but I honestly thought there was no way you could have seriously misinterpreted the point of this thread after my explaining it to you very clearly 3 times.
Let me try again.
I agree with you; we share the same thoughts regarding story as the paramount priority over visual effects when it comes to film. However, the original poster of this topic specifically started a discussion solely about visual effects - excluding any room for discussion about story should the topic be swayed and lose the focus on visual effects as a talking point.
Or let me put it another way. If this topic was about great ways the colour blue has been used in art and many people post about their favourite uses and shades of the colour blue, it would be completely irrelevent to the fact that you or I prefer the colour red. Whether or not I prefer the colour red makes no difference to the topic at hand. So in order not to deviate the focus of the discussion and respect the intention of the original poster and his wishes to make his thread about uses of the colour blue...I'm going to discuss the colour blue (EVEN THOUGH I REALLY PREFER RED).
So even if you think story should be of more importance than visual effects (again, as I do), that is irrelevant to the thread you're expressing that opinion in. And by expressing that opinion and attempted to sway discussion toward this new idea that is completely unrelated to the thread, you are SHITTING UP THE THREAD.
I can't believe I really had to spend so many words trying to explain that for a fourth time.
Discotheque
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Probably 90 percent. Even some of their human characters were 100% cg (Stephen Lang)
That man is not real. I refuse to believe it.
Discotheque
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I was joking about Stephen Lang by the way, but yeah almost all of it is CG (with the exception of some practical stuff like mechs and choppas)
SCULLIBUNDO
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District 9 is still unconfirmed.
Bit Blomkamp's next (SciFi) film Elysium will be hitting in 2013.
Bit Blomkamp's next (SciFi) film Elysium will be hitting in 2013.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Discotheque said:
The scorpions (choppers) were actually half-half. There was the fuselage/bulkhead shell and the rest was added in afterward.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Solo said:
Whenever he's in the Mech with the lid closed its CG.
Any rebreathing masks you see being worn are all CG.
Basically, anything that couldn't be done for real with practicals is CG. The practical workshop work they did on Avatar is still impressive as fuck. Still shocked they built and designed a real 13ft mech for the film. It sits on Cameron's lawn.
Avatar's visuals were impressive on a technical level, but the whole film was basically like watching Advent Children or something. I can't give a shit about the characters when the entire film looks like a fucking videogame cutscene. Not to mention the writing was beyond awful.
District 9's SFX were and still are impressive because of how naturally they fit in with the environment. Avatar's CGI took more work and technology to create, but the end result was still very CG-looking.
District 9's SFX were and still are impressive because of how naturally they fit in with the environment. Avatar's CGI took more work and technology to create, but the end result was still very CG-looking.
Discotheque
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yeah despite my misgivings with the actual film itself, technically Avatar is at the top of it's game. And you gotta love that Cameron can still shoot competent action scenes.
And also I think Stephen Lang's body was CG. If not then all 50-ish year old males should be ashamed.
I'm super anxious to see WETA take on Gollum again after all this experience under their belts. Finally I'm probably one of the few people who is unimpressed with District 9's cgi, it didn't feel like it blended well for me.
And also I think Stephen Lang's body was CG. If not then all 50-ish year old males should be ashamed.
I'm super anxious to see WETA take on Gollum again after all this experience under their belts. Finally I'm probably one of the few people who is unimpressed with District 9's cgi, it didn't feel like it blended well for me.
beelzebozo
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i so despised 95% of the aspects of AVATAR i find myself incapable of judging its effects objectively. they take on a negative quality because i feel they were given such higher priority over other things that make a movie great. that said, i will admit that if i turned it over to the fox box after a day of elementary school and saw AVATAR, i'd probably be pretty impressed and get a blue crayon to do some sketching.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Discotheque said:
Dude, Lang was a fucking BEAST. He got my 80s-fueled blood-lust going so much I wanted him to jump out of the mech and try take the Na'vi on with his bare hands.
Discotheque
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It's all too fitting that Lang's vengeful brother (Die Hard 3 style) should be Arnold. Lang really did remind me of an 80s protagonist.
Insane Metal
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Boring movie with decent special effects.
But I can't deny I'm impressed with what they've done with such a meager budget.
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But I can't deny I'm impressed with what they've done with such a meager budget.
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OK I GOTTA SEE THAT NAODead said:
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