BluRayHiDef
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Thank you VERY VERY MUCH! I really appreciate this. I'll be much more considerate about what I comment from now on.
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Thank you VERY VERY MUCH! I really appreciate this. I'll be much more considerate about what I comment from now on.
Happosai
Hold onto your panties
I had been watching/reading interesting previous threads as a lurker from 2015-2018. The reason I didn't make an account sooner was due to all the flack going around. I never buy into slander and even the Wikipedia page had some slander. At any rate, by not allowing NeoGAF to be shutdown permanently -- you saved one of the last great gaming/nerd forums. Now, it's become so much better and safer. I like how politics has it's own designated section for members only (thereby minimizing trolls to post trash threads...et al). So many great webpages from the late-90's/early-2000's have already disappeared. Thanks for maintaining this page and it's reputation as the best gaming forum for the past decades.
Hypereides
Member
Wait wat
well, that was an unexpected turn of events. Welcome back Brapper.
ChainedMaster
Banned
Hello, I'd like my junior status removed. I believe it was because I posted a thread saying buying Nintendo Switches to sell them for a markup isn't morally wrong and explained why I thought that. What's the word they use to describe that again? I forgot. Pretty sure that thread was deleted.
Sure, you're all set.
ChainedMaster
Banned
Thank you!
Kagey K
Banned
They said we know about b/c. Even though we don’t.
Supposedly I’m supposed to add some context, but I can’t as I don’t know thier plans. Hence why I raised the question.
Can anyone here point me to it, so I can add it to my op?
This seems locked for no good reason, and a discussion worth having.
If anyone other then me made the same OP it would likely be open right now.
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haxan7
Volunteered as Tribute
Kagey K
Banned
I should have left it as was, but the more I thought about it the more I wanted to add.
My bad.
Mr Hyde
Gold Member
Maybe the thread was seen as bait, seeing as you have a history of console warring and disingenuous commentary?
Kagey K
Banned
I did neither in the Op of that thread,. and I think my “history“ of “console warring” is very tame compared to what people are doing to each other today.
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MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
Mista
Banned
Oh no, what happened to the man? He was good and such a professionalVFXVeteran spreading FUD like usual.
Shame.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
He can always fix his stance regarding the whole teraflop situation.
It's up to him at the end of the day.
MasterCornholio
Member
It really is when our industry professionals go bad on us.
People are always looking at what they say because we always want to know more about the industry. Then sometimes these professionals let their biases affect their comments and they as start giving us misinformation on purpose. It really is shame because he was given a chance to his claims.
OneShotThrill
Member
honestly the guy just likes to bicker with console gamers... especially PlayStation ones. He only shows up to slang mud at hyped fans.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Even though VFX loves to bicker his comment wasn't wrong that he was banned for. He wasn't talking about the console war bait that is the variable clocks in any capacity and it seems that's what the mods banned him for.
Also saying you are "waiting for the Xbox fan was banned fairly" is petty. Guy isn't even an Xbox fan.
He is far more professional than a ton of other posters on here. I understand his word holds more weight as he is vetted but nothing he said "needed" vetting if you understand the conversation.
Seems extreme to me. But that's just my two cents.
Also saying you are "waiting for the Xbox fan was banned fairly" is petty. Guy isn't even an Xbox fan.
He is far more professional than a ton of other posters on here. I understand his word holds more weight as he is vetted but nothing he said "needed" vetting if you understand the conversation.
Seems extreme to me. But that's just my two cents.
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Tesseract
Banned
fix what stance, i'm reading what he said now and it seems fine
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
It seems to me someone who probably didn't understand the conversation reported it as bait due to the whole variable clock that is console war bait. No idea which mod issued the ban but its seems like it wasn't read carefully. But if he was given the opportunity explain and didn't I see why they thought a ban was needed.
But even that being said, the context of the conversation didn't ever indicate he was participating in pointless console wars. The conversation was about rendering and his comment makes sense in that context.
MasterCornholio
Member
Mod of War
Bill O'Rights
As you can see many people are confused about VFSVeterans ban and they want clarification on why it was done.
Seems like there's two sides to the argument. Some people say he was speculating and shouldn't have been banned while others are accusing him of making false claims.
Just need to know what's the case here with his 9TFs comment.
DoctaThompson
Banned
This feels weird to even quote myself, but here is what I said in that thread.
As you can see many people are confused about VFSVeterans ban and they want clarification on why it was done.
Seems like there's two sides to the argument. Some people say he was speculating and shouldn't have been banned while others are accusing him of making false claims.
Just need to know what's the case here with his 9TFs comment.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
When
VFXVeteran
wrote this, I read it as "9TFish." To me that implies give or take a TF or two. It doesn't read to me like some vicious libel. Given the nature of variable clocks and whatnot, is it THAT outlandish a thing to say?I've seen much worse said about the XsX. People say the XsX has a "weak" SSD. that its audio chip is the same as the one in PS4 and Xbox One (this was said yesterday I believe)
MasterCornholio
Member
Just wanted to point out that people have issues with the ban and I also didn't want the conversation to continue in that other thread since this is the place to talk about bans.
DoctaThompson
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-Arcadia-
Banned
This is kind of why I think 9 teraflops and two years of no Xbox exclusives shouldn't be auto strikes against you.
Sometimes there's room for debate, sometimes people are mistaken, etc. Those things should be sorted out amongst posters.
If someone is wielding those things as a cudgel to constantly console war, sure, but is that really VFX Veteran? He's a highly knowledgeable autist and stickler for the truth, if a bit favoritist towards the PC. He's certainly not an Xbox fanboy.
This stuff feels more like an excuse for people with a grudge to get someone removed, which I almost guarantee happened here.
Sometimes there's room for debate, sometimes people are mistaken, etc. Those things should be sorted out amongst posters.
If someone is wielding those things as a cudgel to constantly console war, sure, but is that really VFX Veteran? He's a highly knowledgeable autist and stickler for the truth, if a bit favoritist towards the PC. He's certainly not an Xbox fanboy.
This stuff feels more like an excuse for people with a grudge to get someone removed, which I almost guarantee happened here.
DoctaThompson
Banned
Did you just call him an AUTIST?! Ban this man!! Lol jp
MasterCornholio
Member
Appreciate that sir. Also
For sure. I might not agree with VFX all the time but I don't think it's wrong to have his case reviewed.
His comment seemed a little weird to me because you can interpret it as going both ways.
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JareBear: Remastered
Banned
I still don't think it deserved to be gang-reported. Getting kinda tired of the roving plastic box gang warfare bullshit.
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MasterCornholio
Member
People that report don't make the final decision though. From what I've read from his comment it seemed like it could have gone both ways.
-Arcadia-
Banned
Did you just assume my gender? Can we get a permaban here?
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
How do you feel about someone saying the XsX audio chip is the same as the one in PS4 and Xbox One? Or that the XsX has a weak SSD?
SleepDoctor
Banned
There's been a grudge against him since he said Horizon was going to pc. There's no way of proving or dismissing the 9tf gpu.
Just take a good look at the garbage posted in the spec thread about the xsx and there are things way worse in there said and by people who don't even know what they're talking about.
MasterCornholio
Member
I read that the audio chip form the XSX is actually a new Dolby Atmos one. So it can't be the same chip that the PS4 or Xbox One has. What I did see is speculation on whether or not its as capable as Sonys customized CU in their system.
As for Xbox One having a weak SSD, on paper it appears 50% slower than what Sony has. Which means that the data transfer rate could be half as fast. Whether or not that will translate to real life performance I'm not sure about that. All I know is that Sonys I/O is most likely better than Microsoft's. I would only call it weak if it used a normal mechanical drive but that isn't the case.
If someone starts to spread misinformation about those two things then I would have an issue with it.
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Jtibh
Banned
Hold on now.
He also bombed a thread stating all ps5 games come to pc , stated no point buying a ps5 as you can enjoy horizon 2 in pc at a much higher fidelity. He was serious and look now horizon demon souls etc ARE ps5 exclusive titles. At least for a long time.
Point is he constantly is gunning for ps5 users like mentioned all ps5 titles come to pc etc but never ever did i see him treat the xsx the same way.
In my opinion he has a track record to a pc or xbox warrior
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
This is a fair point. (although I dont remember him saying all games I thought he said a lot)
I think the term vetted here has been an issue for VFX as he is in the industry but hes not an insider. He is basing his opinion off of what he heard and hes not a journalist trying to get multiple sources to confirm a report, hes just going off of what he heard from someone inside. Is it his job to make sure what he hears is right? Is that what vetted means?
-Arcadia-
Banned
If he took that turn, fair play, don't let annoying warriors turn you into one too, but I've never seen him be out of line.
He recently even defended the Demon's Souls trailer, using his expertise, when people were questioning it being CG.
If that's being a fanboy, he's doing a poor job, literally promoting the competition and such.
Jtibh
Banned
I never looked at him as an insider but as a vfx guy who knows his stuff in THAT industry.
But he is always popping up in ps5 threads going from weak hardware dont expect much from it to all that way to maybe not all but most ps5 first party titles including horizon 2 come to pc.
When i said to him its likely but a few years from release like even now he said no they come in less then a year and he was very certain on that we should just stop dreaming
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
TO be fair thats not unfounded yet. We wont know until that time comes.
I am not doubting he comes off as abrasive, but to be fair the sony side here is very very aggressive at anything they dont like.
Jtibh
Banned
He had a different tone in the demon souls thread maybe due the fact it wont come to pc?
But he was proffesional in that thread and i was pleased and respected his answers.
The other one though.....
Slings and Arrows
Banned
A 'vetted' poster on Gaf has always meant that the average poster respects and looks up to them as a member of the industry. In return, that Vetted member should be the height of professionalism as they represent a company in the industry.
Shit posting, throwing your toys out of the cot and swinging your dick around like you're the moral authority on all things console, isn't a professional or respectable look.
Vfx, has without a doubt shown his unprofessional side more than once and more often than not in Ps5 threads when talking about power or exclusives going to PC.
He should make a choice; be vetted and remain professional and impartial, as best as possible within our own unconscious bias, or, make a new account and shit post to his hearts content.
Either way, this ban might be a newspaper to the nose, rather than his company getting shitty with him.
That said, I'm a fucking retard, so don't put much stock in to what I say.
Shit posting, throwing your toys out of the cot and swinging your dick around like you're the moral authority on all things console, isn't a professional or respectable look.
Vfx, has without a doubt shown his unprofessional side more than once and more often than not in Ps5 threads when talking about power or exclusives going to PC.
He should make a choice; be vetted and remain professional and impartial, as best as possible within our own unconscious bias, or, make a new account and shit post to his hearts content.
Either way, this ban might be a newspaper to the nose, rather than his company getting shitty with him.
That said, I'm a fucking retard, so don't put much stock in to what I say.
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
I think this makes sense but if thats the case this is not the post he should have been banned for.
Ascend
Member
Banning him was too harsh. At worst, a thread ban would have been sufficient, in my view. Then again, I'm not a mod, and I don't follow all of his posts. But I simply want to add that, mods need to try and avoid adding fuel to the fire. The last comment made was unnecessary, and I'm talking about the bold part here....
"You were warned days ago about the 9TF comment. You're an industry professional - and like every other member - were offered the chance to back up this claim with evidence or stop the FUD. We await the 'xbox fan banned unfairly' comment."
That is basically trolling, and it seems more like a power play than anything else, because the mods can do it without consequence.
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-Arcadia-
Banned
This is why I said autist, btw. I don’t mean that he’s actually autistic, but there’s a group of people on the internet who deliver the truth or a reasonable opinion, with very little social grace. That’s definitely him.
As you say, that he’s been constantly confronted with personal attacks over months, doesn’t help the matter.
In any case abrasiveness is a non-factor. Be as rude as you like, if you tell the truth, in my opinion. What’s under debate is if he’s making false comments. I would like to see properly contextual evidence of this, beyond the fudged, not clear, 9 TF thing.
Wouldn’t it not coming to PC make him even more likely to troll, if he was a fanboy?
Meh, as said, I think the only standard is that he should be held absolutely to the truth. If he wants to be a dick about it, well, he’s a person too. Being vetted doesn’t mean you have an obligation to be nice, especially when constantly being attacked yourself.
MasterCornholio
Member
I agree that bolded doesn't seem necessary. However he was given a chance to prove himself and was asked to stop if he couldn't.
What I don't know was what he did the first time is comparable to what he did this time.
On the bright side he didn't get a perm so he will be back.
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
I concur about the we await xbox part. But I have made my mistakes of question the mod team before and was giving a warning. I am not going to pretend that I have followed every post by VFX so I can't comment on his intentions, but mods have admitted they dont read every post either. That would lead me to believe that they like us are not able to see everything and are basing it off of what they know and the history of the poster.
I have never seen him as xbox guy so Idk where that comment came from. But it reminds me of when a mod tried to call me out saying I was fighting for Xbox because I got into a pissing match with Daniels and Game Pass. So because I was defending game pass I got labeled as Team Xbox. This is honestly a bigger issue to me than this ban. Hindsight is 20/20 but we all know what happened to Daniels.
Hi folks
VFXVeterans is free to share the warning he received a few days prior to this incident. That particular post was deleted, but the pertinent part was this:
He was asked to stop using the fuel of console warriors, specifically around the 9.2TF detail otherwise he would be banned. This warning would be stood down if he could provide technical documentation or evidence real world testing and benchmarks from his position in the industry. We considered the matter closed. Until once again he tried to deftly dodge around the warning by indirectly calling the PS5 GPU ~9TF. If you completely ignore reasonable requests for unfounded/unevidenced retractions, then warnings will be followed through on. Unfortunately, you don't always have the behind the scenes information or communications/warnings that were issued prior. The offer made to VFXVeteran is also an open one to the community, if you can:
We will roll back the bans. Trying to dodge around the point or rephrase it will be met with the same response. You will receive a warning explaining this and requesting you stop it unless you provide evidence. If you're a new account and obviously just trolling, then it will more than likely be a straight ban. If you ignore the request and continue, the escalation path is a ban. For example this statement by D DoctaThompson above
Headmaths is fine but are you really trying to sell 9.99 as 'around 9' rather than 'around 10' as reasonable? Does anyone want to try and defend this? Or are you trying to fit a rounding mechanism to suit yourself? At this stage it would probably make more sense to say 'both consoles coming in at around 10TF' wouldn't it? The factual points from the lead architect (direct quotes) are as follows:
Based on the words from the architect of the PS5 himself and those quotes, if you wish to use 9TF seriously (and not as subtle antagonistic trolling) then you have to evidence its credibility in debate. To do that, you have to discredit Mark Cerny or:
We understand certain groups will standy by and loyally vouch for their friends and allies, and we have no persisting ill will towards VFXVeteran. A warning was issued with repercussions stated. That warning was ignored and then the consequences were followed through on. However, in respect of your efforts and cordiality, we will reduce the ban fom one week to three days.
VFXVeterans is free to share the warning he received a few days prior to this incident. That particular post was deleted, but the pertinent part was this:
He was asked to stop using the fuel of console warriors, specifically around the 9.2TF detail otherwise he would be banned. This warning would be stood down if he could provide technical documentation or evidence real world testing and benchmarks from his position in the industry. We considered the matter closed. Until once again he tried to deftly dodge around the warning by indirectly calling the PS5 GPU ~9TF. If you completely ignore reasonable requests for unfounded/unevidenced retractions, then warnings will be followed through on. Unfortunately, you don't always have the behind the scenes information or communications/warnings that were issued prior. The offer made to VFXVeteran is also an open one to the community, if you can:
We will roll back the bans. Trying to dodge around the point or rephrase it will be met with the same response. You will receive a warning explaining this and requesting you stop it unless you provide evidence. If you're a new account and obviously just trolling, then it will more than likely be a straight ban. If you ignore the request and continue, the escalation path is a ban. For example this statement by D DoctaThompson above
Headmaths is fine but are you really trying to sell 9.99 as 'around 9' rather than 'around 10' as reasonable? Does anyone want to try and defend this? Or are you trying to fit a rounding mechanism to suit yourself? At this stage it would probably make more sense to say 'both consoles coming in at around 10TF' wouldn't it? The factual points from the lead architect (direct quotes) are as follows:
Based on the words from the architect of the PS5 himself and those quotes, if you wish to use 9TF seriously (and not as subtle antagonistic trolling) then you have to evidence its credibility in debate. To do that, you have to discredit Mark Cerny or:
- Prove/evidence the clocks spend the majority of the time at 9.4TF or below, to legitimse the ~9TF rounding
- Prove/evidence the downclocking will be more than a couple of percent which equals ~10TF
We understand certain groups will standy by and loyally vouch for their friends and allies, and we have no persisting ill will towards VFXVeteran. A warning was issued with repercussions stated. That warning was ignored and then the consequences were followed through on. However, in respect of your efforts and cordiality, we will reduce the ban fom one week to three days.
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SleepDoctor
Banned
Makes you wonder exactly how many mofs are actually unbiased when some sound like console warriors themselves. Then you wonder why people are asking for perms.
I have noticed when I've made an anti sony report its addressed almost instantly vs whem its an anti Xbox report. Its ridiculous.
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