NeoGAF Camera Equipment Thread | MK II

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Jun 26, 2007
35,654
1,152
1,235
Best Coast
It depends on lighting. If you're in a studio and control it yeah sure. Outdoors free balling it with street photography (my subjects move)? No. I could probably swing them now since I'm more experienced than when I first started out, but why would I want to.
Yeah, that's the thing. Why would you want to? You don't have to. You already have the means to use gear with wider maximum apertures. But, newbies who don't have that luxury are oftentimes trapped in a situation where they can't afford better gear, and are stuck in a mindset that they think better expensive gear is the only way they can get better pictures.

Kit lens have use outside of a studio, too. It's not like the outside world is full of impossible lighting situations. You just need to know what light to look for that works with the limitations of a kit lens, or what cheap modifiers you can use to mitigate those limitations.
 

JadedWriter

Member
Sep 14, 2014
30,600
2
0
Yeah, that's the thing. Why would you want to? You don't have to. You already have the means to use gear with wider maximum apertures. But, newbies who don't have that luxury are oftentimes trapped in a situation where they can't afford better gear, and are stuck in a mindset that they think better expensive gear is the only way they can get better pictures.

Kit lens have use outside of a studio, too. It's not like the outside world is full of impossible lighting situations. You just need to know what light to look for that works with the limitations of a kit lens, or what cheap modifiers you can use to mitigate those limitations.
I consider them bright day lens. Low light street stuff is not happening unless it's a building.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Jun 26, 2007
35,654
1,152
1,235
Best Coast
I consider them bright day lens. Low light street stuff is not happening unless it's a building.
In less bright light, you have to make some compromises. Higher ISO, for example. Manual focus if your camera's autofocus isn't cutting it, as another example. Or, perhaps longer shutter speeds via a $20 tripod, or just setting your camera on a trash can with a timer.

Sure, you need to adjust your shooting style, and need to pick and choose your subjects more carefully, and this would of course be a lot for a newbie to have to think about, but it's a lot cheaper than spending hundreds of dollars on "better" gear.
 

JadedWriter

Member
Sep 14, 2014
30,600
2
0
In less bright light, you have to make some compromises. Higher ISO, for example. Manual focus if your camera's autofocus isn't cutting it, as another example. Or, perhaps longer shutter speeds via a $20 tripod, or just setting your camera on a trash can with a timer.

Sure, you need to adjust your shooting style, and need to pick and choose your subjects more carefully, and this would of course be a lot for a newbie to have to think about, but it's a lot cheaper than spending hundreds of dollars on "better" gear.
True. Though I'd rather buy stuff that works in more or less all occasions. I never have any idea what I'll wind up shooting since I photograph a bit of everything. Except long exposure stuff.
 

JadedWriter

Member
Sep 14, 2014
30,600
2
0
Anybody in here do on camera flash with a D810? With mine it takes like a second to go off after I hit the shutter. Is it because my flash is/was third party? I don't have that problem with my D600.
 

Jzero

Member
Nov 1, 2009
12,385
0
0
Anybody in here do on camera flash with a D810? With mine it takes like a second to go off after I hit the shutter. Is it because my flash is/was third party? I don't have that problem with my D600.
I don't use Nikon but my flash has a tiny delay when using Live View mode but shoots normally when using the viewfinder.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Jun 26, 2007
35,654
1,152
1,235
Best Coast
Anybody in here do on camera flash with a D810? With mine it takes like a second to go off after I hit the shutter. Is it because my flash is/was third party? I don't have that problem with my D600.
It goes off after you hit the shutter button, and the camera shutter actuates? So that the flash burst misses the camera shutter and you have a dark image?

Or the shutter and flash are still in sync, except there is a lag from when you press the shutter button?

Could be a lot of things, like red eye reduction or rear curtain, or AF hunting, or perhaps it's trying to use the AF-illumination when your flash doesn't have one cuz third party, I dunno.

Try do a factory reset of your settings and see if that fixes anything. And reset the flash settings on the flash as well.
 

JadedWriter

Member
Sep 14, 2014
30,600
2
0
It goes off after you hit the shutter button, and the camera shutter actuates? So that the flash burst misses the camera shutter and you have a dark image?

Or the shutter and flash are still in sync, except there is a lag from when you press the shutter button?

Could be a lot of things, like red eye reduction or rear curtain, or AF hunting, or perhaps it's trying to use the AF-illumination when your flash doesn't have one cuz third party, I dunno.

Try do a factory reset of your settings and see if that fixes anything. And reset the flash settings on the flash as well.
And undo my AF fine tunes? No. They're in sync but there's lag and it goes off twice when I hold down the shutter. Most likely because I'm in CH.
 

Chiaroscuro

Member
Oct 26, 2006
5,510
0
0
I want to upgrade from my Rebel T2i to a full frame and take photography a little more serious.

Well, I kind of have a history with Canon, and would like to limit my budget to 2k-3k with a good lens (new not used)

That may limits me to the 6D or 6D Mark II. The later is really a worth improvement? Plus which lens would be the best to start, like a jack-of-all-trades? Considering the 24-105 f/4.
 

JadedWriter

Member
Sep 14, 2014
30,600
2
0
I want to upgrade from my Rebel T2i to a full frame and take photography a little more serious.

Well, I kind of have a history with Canon, and would like to limit my budget to 2k-3k with a good lens (new not used)

That may limits me to the 6D or 6D Mark II. The later is really a worth improvement? Plus which lens would be the best to start, like a jack-of-all-trades? Considering the 24-105 f/4.
With that budget you could get a refurbished 5Dmkiii or just say fuck it and get a D750 with the F4 24-120. The 6D series is outdated. You could get a good picture out of them yes but why spend that much for something barely better than a D600.
 

Chiaroscuro

Member
Oct 26, 2006
5,510
0
0
With that budget you could get a refurbished 5Dmkiii or just say fuck it and get a D750 with the F4 24-120. The 6D series is outdated. You could get a good picture out of them yes but why spend that much for something barely better than a D600.
Good advice, I can get the 5Dmkiii with the f4 24-105 for $100 than the same kit with the 6Dmkii. However, I am quite newbie to the world of professional cameras. Can you tell me why the 5Dmkiii would be a better choise? Isn’t the processor of 6Dmkii better? The 6Dmkii features a pivotal display too (which while not frequent used may be in hand for some situations).

Plus Wi-Fi.

Thanks for the help.
 

JadedWriter

Member
Sep 14, 2014
30,600
2
0
Good advice, I can get the 5Dmkiii with the f4 24-105 for $100 than the same kit with the 6Dmkii. However, I am quite newbie to the world of professional cameras. Can you tell me why the 5Dmkiii would be a better choise? Isn't the processor of 6Dmkii better? The 6Dmkii features a pivotal display too (which while not frequent used may be in hand for some situations).

Thanks for the help.
There's so much extraneous bullshit on so many cameras that 98% of the time I don't even touch. If you need to use that screen for video work fine, but at that budget just get a GH5. The 5Dmkiii has better build quality, higher shutter speed, higher flash sync rate, dual memory cards and probably a bunch of other stuff that I'm failing to remember. Read/watch any modern review on the 6Dmkii and it's panned. You can get a lot of better cameras at that price. It's I think very close to what I paid for my refurb D810, it's more expensive than a kitted out Fuji XT2, which I have and love. The 6D series is a compromised budget camera with a handful of AF points dropped dead center of the viewfinder compared to a still very good full frame camera that's still pro grade and used by freelancers and wedding photographers on top of photojournalists. You can still get shit done with a 6D, but at that budget you're throwing your money away. Also regarding plus wifi, how often do you really need this? I use the wifi on my XT2 like once a month at best. For the most part nobody needs me to send a JPEG that badly that they cannot wait for me to deal with it lightroom first.
 

Chiaroscuro

Member
Oct 26, 2006
5,510
0
0
There's so much extraneous bullshit on so many cameras that 98% of the time I don't even touch. If you need to use that screen for video work fine, but at that budget just get a GH5. The 5Dmkiii has better build quality, higher shutter speed, higher flash sync rate, dual memory cards and probably a bunch of other stuff that I'm failing to remember. Read/watch any modern review on the 6Dmkii and it's panned. You can get a lot of better cameras at that price. It's I think very close to what I paid for my refurb D810, it's more expensive than a kitted out Fuji XT2, which I have and love. The 6D series is a compromised budget camera with a handful of AF points dropped dead center of the viewfinder compared to a still very good full frame camera that's still pro grade and used by freelancers and wedding photographers on top of photojournalists. You can still get shit done with a 6D, but at that budget you're throwing your money away. Also regarding plus wifi, how often do you really need this? I use the wifi on my XT2 like once a month at best. For the most part nobody needs me to send a JPEG that badly that they cannot wait for me to deal with it lightroom first.
Thanks. Keep in mind that my comments are newbie comments, I am coming out from my dark age of photography now and only used APS-C (or the lovely analogs back in the 90s). As you said, you heard a lot of different things about what you should or not buy (well it depends on your use). I want something to start doing photography more serious, probably will change my concepts down the road (that is why it would be better to put money first on lens - that is why I choosing f4 instead of cheap f5.6 - because I may change the body later on). I just don’t want to throw money away (which I don’t have much, I am making some compromises). The 5Dmkiii seems to be a solid advice, despite it is old and mkiv is out there, it still gets a lot of praise.

Edited: also worth mention that will not use the camera for videos, just still.

Edited 2: for WiFi I did not mean to used it for file transfer, but to connect accessories.
 

JadedWriter

Member
Sep 14, 2014
30,600
2
0
Thanks. Keep in mind that my comments are newbie comments, I am coming out from my dark age of photography now and only used APS-C (or the lovely analogs back in the 90s). As you said, you heard a lot of different things about what you should or not buy (well it depends on your use). I want something to start doing photography more serious, probably will change my concepts down the road (that is why it would be better to put money first on lens - that is why I choosing f4 instead of cheap f5.6 - because I may change the body later on). I just don't want to throw money away (which I don't have much, I am making some compromises). The 5Dmkiii seems to be a solid advice, despite it is old and mkiv is out there, it still gets a lot of praise.
I usually tell people to just get the 5Dmkiii over the IV unless they really really need the high iso performance. I know the AF is better, but I just don't hear that much endorsement for that camera for the price point, the mkiv is seriously expensive and it's against better shit than the mkiii was at it's price. I personally would not buy any modern Canon over the Nikon equivalent. The only think Nikon seemed to shit the bed on a bit is the D5. Outside of the D750 having a wonky shutter assembly they've all been pretty damn good cameras. I've pretty much shot on all of the big manufactures except Sony, which doesn't include the MFT stuff. I have a preference for Nikon and Fuji, but I'm sure given enough time I could make the Sony work for me and I can shoot Canon, it's just not my preference. Long story short if you have the budget for a non compromised camera get the non compromised camera instead of just getting Canon's budget tier "Let's hack a bunch of shit out of it" camera. I've pretty much already been in your shoes. If you're stills focused just get the mkiii. The amount of AF points alone will make more of a composition difference. Also if you're getting the F4 kit lens if they're still giving you the mki version that things old, I think it was the OG 5D's kit lens.
 

Ty4on

Member
Jun 22, 2011
11,588
0
520
Norway
Good advice, I can get the 5Dmkiii with the f4 24-105 for $100 than the same kit with the 6Dmkii. However, I am quite newbie to the world of professional cameras. Can you tell me why the 5Dmkiii would be a better choise? Isn’t the processor of 6Dmkii better? The 6Dmkii features a pivotal display too (which while not frequent used may be in hand for some situations).

Plus Wi-Fi.

Thanks for the help.
The 6D is the cheapo model so they skimp out in areas to stop it competing with the higher end 5D cameras.

The biggest disadvantage is autofocus where it has a small module from a lower end camera which means you only have AF points for the center portion of the image.

If you need the extra features tho it could be an option.
 

Chiaroscuro

Member
Oct 26, 2006
5,510
0
0
The 6D is the cheapo model so they skimp out in areas to stop it competing with the higher end 5D cameras.

The biggest disadvantage is autofocus where it has a small module from a lower end camera which means you only have AF points for the center portion of the image.

If you need the extra features tho it could be an option.
Isn’t the AF points corrected in the 6Dmkii? No so many points as the 5D, but very close to it, instead of the only 11 of the original.
 

JadedWriter

Member
Sep 14, 2014
30,600
2
0
Isn’t the AF points corrected in the 6Dmkii? No so many points as the 5D, but very close to it, instead of the only 11 of the original.
I think it has about 30 something smack dab in the middle. If your AF points are too clustered in the middle it effects your composition a little bit. The 6Dmkii has the AF module of the 80D.
 

JadedWriter

Member
Sep 14, 2014
30,600
2
0
I just started messing with lightroom for Ipad today and maybe that would be a good use for the wi-fi....
Does it transfer over the raws or the jpegs? I don't have a tablet strong enough to handle my raw files so I usually just deal with everything on a computer. I mean if you want to talk yourself into a worse camera do what you want.
 
Jul 18, 2016
761
0
0
Madrid, Spain
Isn’t the AF points corrected in the 6Dmkii? No so many points as the 5D, but very close to it, instead of the only 11 of the original.
It has more, but they are all in the center of the frame, so it's pretty useless.
Get a 5D Mark III instead if you want Canon, or just a 6D "Classic". That one is very cheap second hand now, and for that price it's a great camera.
The problem with the Mark II is the price. It's just too expensive for what it offers. The 5D Mark IV is great IMO, but you have to be making money with it to justify the cost.
 

JadedWriter

Member
Sep 14, 2014
30,600
2
0
It has more, but they are all in the center of the frame, so it's pretty useless.
Get a 5D Mark III instead if you want Canon, or just a 6D "Classic". That one is very cheap second hand now, and for that price it's a great camera.
The problem with the Mark II is the price. It's just too expensive for what it offers. The 5D Mark IV is great IMO, but you have to be making money with it to justify the cost.
AF points being grouped in the center is probably my biggest pet peeve with my D600. It's supposedly something small if you're not experienced, but after doing a shit ton of events it's something you notice. 6Dmkii competes with a refurb D810, new D750, GH5, I think EM1mkii, Fuji XT2 and I would choose any of the above over the 6Dmkii. It's not priced like a budget camera. Yeah it's cheaper than a 5Dmkiv, but too close to a refurb/used 5Dmkiii.
 

Chiaroscuro

Member
Oct 26, 2006
5,510
0
0
Does it transfer over the raws or the jpegs? I don't have a tablet strong enough to handle my raw files so I usually just deal with everything on a computer. I mean if you want to talk yourself into a worse camera do what you want.
No I don’t want to talk myself into a worse camera. The 5D clearly have a better image, bet AF and so. But it also lacks some nice modern functions that while not image quality related can be usefull. Also, keep in mind that a better camera is a better camera in the hands of a good photographer, which I am inspiring myself to be but may take a while to achieve. I am just considering all possibilities for the limit experience I have, and try to get the most I currently can for the equipment.

I have an Air 2 128GB. I just tested with some really large raw files with lightroom and it seems to work fine. Take some seconds to load it, but works,
 

Chiaroscuro

Member
Oct 26, 2006
5,510
0
0
AF points being grouped in the center is probably my biggest pet peeve with my D600. It's supposedly something small if you're not experienced, but after doing a shit ton of events it's something you notice. 6Dmkii competes with a refurb D810, new D750, GH5, I think EM1mkii, Fuji XT2 and I would choose any of the above over the 6Dmkii. It's not priced like a budget camera. Yeah it's cheaper than a 5Dmkiv, but too close to a refurb/used 5Dmkiii.
Actually you can get a new 5Dmkiii for US$ 100 less than a new 6Dmkii and that is the main point of my doubts.

Really guys you are helping me with this discussion, keep it going on.
 

JadedWriter

Member
Sep 14, 2014
30,600
2
0
Actually you can get a new 5Dmkiii for US$ 100 less than a new 6Dmkii and that is the main point of my doubts.

Really guys you are helping me with this discussion, keep it going on.
Wait the MkIII is less than the 6D? Get the fucking 5Dmkiii then. 5DMkiii is pro standard. You'll grow into the 5DMkiii no problem just give it some time. The 6D only costs more because it came out this year. Only one of my cameras has modern wifi support and I barely use it. I'd take the better image quality over some modern convenience in a heartbeat. Getting the better camera first actually just saves money. My beater camera always just turns into my spare body for events coverage.
 

Chiaroscuro

Member
Oct 26, 2006
5,510
0
0
Wait the MkIII is less than the 6D? Get the fucking 5Dmkiii then. 5DMkiii is pro standard. You'll grow into the 5DMkiii no problem just give it some time. The 6D only costs more because it came out this year. Only one of my cameras has modern wifi support and I barely use it. I'd take the better image quality over some modern convenience in a heartbeat. Getting the better camera first actually just saves money. My beater camera always just turns into my spare body for events coverage.
Yes, the $100 cheaper 5Dmkiii is calling me. I actually made that decision this morning but afterwards I talked with a friend who got the original 6D some years ago and love to use it with the IPad. But also the 5D was out of her budget range back then a thing that changed now.

I know that the AP from 5D is a huge difference but coming from the Rebel line (as she did too) a 6D is already an huge step (but worries me that it may not me enough after a practice more).
 

JadedWriter

Member
Sep 14, 2014
30,600
2
0
Yes, the $100 cheaper 5Dmkiii is calling me. I actually made that decision this morning but afterwards I talked with a friend who got the original 6D some years ago and love to use it with the IPad. But also the 5D was out of her budget range back then a thing that changed now.

I know that the AP from 5D is a huge difference but coming from the Rebel line (as she did too) a 6D is already an huge step (but worries me that it may not me enough after a practice more).
Dude...you would be going from a budget tier soccer mom camera to at least a decent full frame camera. The difference with the 5D would be HUGE and well worth the investment. I occasionally use my coworkers D3 and D4S and those AF systems are great so anything in the ballpark of those would be a game changer. Get the 5DmkIII. Seriously. The better AF and image quality is more important than wifi.
 

Astral/H3X

Member
Aug 17, 2012
10,178
0
0
SOMEWHERE. In Indiana
Dude...you would be going from a budget tier soccer mom camera to at least a decent full frame camera. The difference with the 5D would be HUGE and well worth the investment. I occasionally use my coworkers D3 and D4S and those AF systems are great so anything in the ballpark of those would be a game changer. Get the 5DmkIII. Seriously. The better AF and image quality is more important than wifi.
The 6D is a Full Frame camera... I'd be hard pressed to call any Full Frame camera a "budget tier soccer mom camera", unless that soccer mom is Mrs Northrup.
 

JadedWriter

Member
Sep 14, 2014
30,600
2
0
The 6D is a Full Frame camera... I'd be hard pressed to call any Full Frame camera a "budget tier soccer mom camera", unless that soccer mom is Mrs Northrup.
I was referring to the Rebel line up. I consider the Rebel's and Nikon's D3xxx line up as soccer mom cameras. I'd almost put the D5xxx series up there, but they're specced out a little better. I hate the build quality and ergonomics though.
 

JadedWriter

Member
Sep 14, 2014
30,600
2
0
Ah, see I thought you were comparing the 6D and the 5D.

TBH, I only ever use center focus point, since back button focusing is a thing, so how many focus points something has seems entirely irrelevant to me.
I use a ton. I can't focus on the eye in some of my shots if I just stick to the center point. If I focus on the nose the eye won't be sharp and it's just impossible. Maybe at F12 that shit won't matter better 2.8 to 4 and lower it matters.
 

Chiaroscuro

Member
Oct 26, 2006
5,510
0
0
Ah, see I thought you were comparing the 6D and the 5D.

TBH, I only ever use center focus point, since back button focusing is a thing, so how many focus points something has seems entirely irrelevant to me.
Yes, I am stepping up from a T2i. But I also was confused by his last comments since we were talking if I should go to 6Dmkii or 5Dmkiii.

Thing is right now I am used to center focus, I am not sure how important it will be down the road.

But you are really putting my mind on the 5D guys. Thanks for all the inputs.
 

JadedWriter

Member
Sep 14, 2014
30,600
2
0
Yes, I am stepping up from a T2i. But I also was confused by his last comments since we were talking if I should go to 6Dmkii or 5Dmkiii.

Thing is right now I am used to center focus, I am not sure how important it will be down the road.

But you are really putting my mind on the 5D guys. Thanks for all the inputs.
Rebel line is a soccer mom camera. The 6D at most would be my spare body for events coverage, which is what my D600 is. I slap my 24-70 on there with a flash and call it a day, it's dedicated to wide shots and group shots. It's not even a knock on it since it still delivers excellent results. 5Dmkiii is an excellent camera to learn and improve on and then tackle jobs if you get into event photography. Pretty much if you have any control of your choice never settle for the budget body, it's a budget body for a reason.
 

Astral/H3X

Member
Aug 17, 2012
10,178
0
0
SOMEWHERE. In Indiana
I use a ton. I can't focus on the eye in some of my shots if I just stick to the center point. If I focus on the nose the eye won't be sharp and it's just impossible. Maybe at F12 that shit won't matter better 2.8 to 4 and lower it matters.
Then don't focus on the nose? Lol Point at eye, focus, recompose.

And you keep saying 2.8 like it's impressive!
 
Jul 18, 2016
761
0
0
Madrid, Spain
Rebel line is a soccer mom camera. The 6D at most would be my spare body for events coverage, which is what my D600 is. I slap my 24-70 on there with a flash and call it a day, it's dedicated to wide shots and group shots. It's not even a knock on it since it still delivers excellent results. 5Dmkiii is an excellent camera to learn and improve on and then tackle jobs if you get into event photography. Pretty much if you have any control of your choice never settle for the budget body, it's a budget body for a reason.
For anyone wanting to use an all-terrain Canon full frame body for cheap, the 5D Mark III is by far the best recommendation.
However for people who won't be doing people shots, the 6D offers good image quality and support for Canon lenses for very cheap. And it's the best DSLR for use with vintage manual lenses, for those who want to keep and OVF. All this I say about the 6D classic. If anyone is considering the 6D Mark II, I'd just say buy a second hand 5D III AND a lens instead.
 

JadedWriter

Member
Sep 14, 2014
30,600
2
0
Then don't focus on the nose? Lol Point at eye, focus, recompose.

And you keep saying 2.8 like it's impressive!
I shoot random ass people with a shallow depth of field, it's not easy lol. Whatever I focus on won't even be in the same location if I recompose.
For anyone wanting to use an all-terrain Canon full frame body for cheap, the 5D Mark III is by far the best recommendation.
However for people who won't be doing people shots, the 6D offers good image quality and support for Canon lenses for very cheap. And it's the best DSLR for use with vintage manual lenses, for those who want to keep and OVF. All this I say about the 6D classic. If anyone is considering the 6D Mark II, I'd just say buy a second hand 5D III AND a lens instead.
Oh don't get me wrong. I'd be perfectly fine if this person straight up just wanted a 6D classic on the cheap. Now if you're going to get a new 6Dmkii in 2017 with an actual budget? Yeah I'm going to talk you out of it.
 

Chiaroscuro

Member
Oct 26, 2006
5,510
0
0
Oh don't get me wrong. I'd be perfectly fine if this person straight up just wanted a 6D classic on the cheap. Now if you're going to get a new 6Dmkii in 2017 with an actual budget? Yeah I'm going to talk you out of it.
Well that is s thing too. I can get a kit with the classic 6D and the same f4 24-105mm lens for $1000 less than the 5Dmkiii kit. I just thought that the original 6D wasn’t worth the investment due to its limitations.

So my choices are (with lens) 6D for $ 2k, 5Dmkii for $ 2.9k or 6Dmkii for $ 3k.
 

JadedWriter

Member
Sep 14, 2014
30,600
2
0
Well that is s thing too. I can get a kit with the classic 6D and the same f4 24-105mm lens for $1000 less than the 5Dmkiii kit. I just thought that the original 6D wasn't worth the investment due to its limitations.

So my chooses are (with lens) 6D for $ 2k, 5Dmkii for $ 2.9k or 6Dmkii for $ 3k.
You have the budget for a 5dmkiii and the 24-105 kit lens I think. Granted at some point you might want something better than that lens I think. Sigma makes the same exact lens that I heard is a lot sharper and better. The 6Dmkii ain't worth 3k, even with the lens. That's more than what I paid for my D810 body only.
 

Chiaroscuro

Member
Oct 26, 2006
5,510
0
0
You have the budget for a 5dmkiii and the 24-105 kit lens I think. Granted at some point you might want something better than that lens I think. Sigma makes the same exact lens that I heard is a lot sharper and better. The 6Dmkii ain't worth 3k, even with the lens. That's more than what I paid for my D810 body only.
Yes, all 3 kits above are with the kind of multipurpose f4 24-105mm Ultra Canon lens which I found resonable to start with.

Thanks for your input, I have made my mind, I will go for the 5Dmkiii.
 

JadedWriter

Member
Sep 14, 2014
30,600
2
0
Yes, all 3 kits above are with the kind of multipurpose f4 24-105mm Ultra Canon lens which I found resonable to start with.

Thanks for your input, I have made my mind, I will go for the 5Dmkiii.
Excellent choice, you'll love it...once you figure out the settings. I don't shoot Canon, but I can get good images out of them. Once you figure out what's what you'll be fine, though I do believe that every camera has it's own quirks. It really makes going back and forth a little bit of an adjustment.
The D810 still being top 3 is fucking impressive. What the hell does DXO Mark have against Fuji?
 

Zefah

Member
Jan 7, 2007
33,403
26
1,030
While the D850 is certainly an amazing DSLR, DxOMark and their tests are just a bunch of nonsense.
 

snaffles

Member
Nov 2, 2007
669
0
840
I would take the 6D mkII over the 5D III. All the features that Jaded completely dismisses are far more useful to me than a wide spread of autofocus points. Flip screen/touch screen, dual pixel auto focus in live view and video are all things I would value more than having a wide array of auto focus points. It also has higher resolution images and has a faster frame rate than the 5D.
Having said all that I would probably go with a APS-C sensor camera personally and spend more money on lenses. An 80D is going to be a huge jump over your T2i if you were sticking to DSLRs, or whatever mirrorless option you wanted to go with.
 

Chiaroscuro

Member
Oct 26, 2006
5,510
0
0
I would take the 6D mkII over the 5D III. All the features that Jaded completely dismisses are far more useful to me than a wide spread of autofocus points. Flip screen/touch screen, dual pixel auto focus in live view and video are all things I would value more than having a wide array of auto focus points. It also has higher resolution images and has a faster frame rate than the 5D.
Having said all that I would probably go with a APS-C sensor camera personally and spend more money on lenses. An 80D is going to be a huge jump over your T2i if you were sticking to DSLRs, or whatever mirrorless option you wanted to go with.
But by your logic the 6Dmkii would be unreasonable expensive. If you are going 80D the original 6D would be a better choice (minus the pivotal display). For what I am getting I have to agree with Jaded that 6Dmkii is too expensive and the D5mkii will provide a solid image with less money spent. If I should go cheaper, I may consider the original 6D. All the kits I am looking at the ones with 6Dmkii are barebones, while for the 6D and 5Dmkiii the stores throw together like $100 to $200 in accessories.
 

JadedWriter

Member
Sep 14, 2014
30,600
2
0
I would take the 6D mkII over the 5D III. All the features that Jaded completely dismisses are far more useful to me than a wide spread of autofocus points. Flip screen/touch screen, dual pixel auto focus in live view and video are all things I would value more than having a wide array of auto focus points. It also has higher resolution images and has a faster frame rate than the 5D.
Having said all that I would probably go with a APS-C sensor camera personally and spend more money on lenses. An 80D is going to be a huge jump over your T2i if you were sticking to DSLRs, or whatever mirrorless option you wanted to go with.
I just checked and personally I'd rather have a 100% OVF over a touch screen and an increased fps of... .5 frames...that's nothing. And yes the 80D is a great camera as well. If he wants to go full frame that's fine since it's within his budget. I personally bounce around between full frame and crop without caring too much these days. There's only a difference in image quality when you start hitting iso 1600 and above. Flipscreens and touchscreens don't impress me too much. I go crazy enough just cleaning my XT2 screen, I don't want to dirty them up more than it already does. I can adjust my screen and for the most part I really don't. Dual Pixel AF is only important if you do video, which it sounds like he doesn't. The MP difference isn't super severe either. You can still get good images out of a D3 in this day and age and that's 12MP, it's really just all about knowing what you're doing...unless you have to crop the bejesus out of it.