lukilladog
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New Harry Potter game is in development, delevopers hurt by JK Rowlings comments
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Deaconstanjesusman
Banned
What’s absurd is trans people expecting us to forgo science in the name of inclusion. Biological men don’t have periods nor do they give birth. Biological women don’t have penises. Does that offend you? Bad friggin luck. You were born with XX or XY chromosomes. I get that you might not like what you are and that’s fine, transition. But don’t act like you’re a male/female because you’re biologicaly not.
And moving onto the argument of gender to try and validate your logic is wrong
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Here is an idea: Quit.
Quit the studio and go make another game. Dont cash in on this supposed bigot's lifetime's work. She created this world from scratch. She is the genius. Not you.
I hate how Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson threw her under the bus the first chance they got. That woman made them who they are. She took them from a life of obscurity and made them all millionares. Without her there is no movies. Without her there is no game. Out of everyone involved, she is by far the smartest, most educated and most intellectual person and her opinion on this is by no means anti trans.
But if you think so, go ahead and quit. Dont sit there holding your dick bitching about how awful you feel. Put your money where you mouth is and leave. go make another game or work at walmart for all I care. I hate how they are trying to claim moral high ground by offering a trans character option. As if its their choice. Did JK Rowling ok this? She must have since this is her IP.
P.S I just cant get over how we have treated one of the most progressive writers of her generation. She went out of her way to have indian characters in Harry Potter. Harry's first love interest was an Asian girl. She even retroactively made Dumbledore gay which I knew was going to blow up in her face. She is easily the best female writer of our generation, arguably the second best writer behind George R.R Martin and this is how we treat our greatest writers. Imagine people throwing Tolkien under the bus. Darwin, Dickens. People will be reading her books a hundred years from now and these idiots will have labelled her anti-trans over nothing. Millennials are by far the worst generation ever, period.
Quit the studio and go make another game. Dont cash in on this supposed bigot's lifetime's work. She created this world from scratch. She is the genius. Not you.
I hate how Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson threw her under the bus the first chance they got. That woman made them who they are. She took them from a life of obscurity and made them all millionares. Without her there is no movies. Without her there is no game. Out of everyone involved, she is by far the smartest, most educated and most intellectual person and her opinion on this is by no means anti trans.
But if you think so, go ahead and quit. Dont sit there holding your dick bitching about how awful you feel. Put your money where you mouth is and leave. go make another game or work at walmart for all I care. I hate how they are trying to claim moral high ground by offering a trans character option. As if its their choice. Did JK Rowling ok this? She must have since this is her IP.
P.S I just cant get over how we have treated one of the most progressive writers of her generation. She went out of her way to have indian characters in Harry Potter. Harry's first love interest was an Asian girl. She even retroactively made Dumbledore gay which I knew was going to blow up in her face. She is easily the best female writer of our generation, arguably the second best writer behind George R.R Martin and this is how we treat our greatest writers. Imagine people throwing Tolkien under the bus. Darwin, Dickens. People will be reading her books a hundred years from now and these idiots will have labelled her anti-trans over nothing. Millennials are by far the worst generation ever, period.
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Komatsu
Member
Don't let it get to you. For whatever reason, this topic seems like a hot button for a lot of people - almost like Resetera in reverse... You'd think trans folks burned down their house, killed their parents and murdered their puppy.
Not a single person in the trans community wishes to forgo "biology". "Man" and "woman" are not, in fact, biological categories. A female primate is not a "woman". A six year old boy is not a "man". These classifications exist in the intersection of biological sex and socialization. What the LGBTQ+ movement advocates is precisely the uncoupling of gender (a social construct) and biological sex.
You may think this is wrong. That is a moral and value judgement on your part and you are entitled to it. But one should address the LGBTQ community's position as it actually is. Many reasonable people have doubts, for example, on whether those who transitioned should be allowed to compete in women's sports. Others think people should not be allowed to transition before they come of age. We will work through these issues as a society for many years to come.
What I think most people of good faith agree on is that (1) trans people are people and deserving of the same basic respect accorded anyone else and (2) people should be persecuted based on what they look like or how they present themselves to the world.
Though I found this to be absolutely pathetic hill for JKR to die on, it was indeed quite ugly to see people she plucked from obscurity denounce her. Daniel R and Emma Watson need not agree with her and think she's a raging TERF, but my old-fashioned self thinks they at least owed her their silence. Oh well..
Deaconstanjesusman
Banned
And yet both of those end up intersecting even though they’re not technically the same thing. Biological males should not be allowed to compete in women’s sports. Even though their test is low, they still process a males endocrine, skeletal, respiratory and nervous system.
Timeless One
Member
If anybody says trans people dont have any right, then that is (lets say) not good. Every person despite their gender must have the equal rights.
The problem is some people are dragging everything into this discussions and suck the joy out of them ! Every single thing has its own place and time. For instance we cannot destory a person life without proof just because accuser is of a certain gender. And this is happening many times over and over again. Same goes for trans discussions recently. They must have equal rights, but any person can have his/her ideas. When you force something in the people throat, then it does not mattet if your cause is just. it will always end in a bad way. Im saying this because I come from a country that we understand this very basic principle better. (As we have had problems with force unjustice). Also if you want some less aware people to support your ideas, then in return you must also show respect to them.in this case we understand many families dont want their children play a game and see something like trans gender ! this is a reality and if anybody going to ignore it, then they must expect opposition. Being a trans is something private and no body should care about other people private decision. But again, that decision must be choosed by the person when they reach their 18.
Cyberpunkd
Member
Tolkien is getting 'slightly' cancelled due to supposed racist undertones in his portrayal or orcs and Mordor as 'people from the East'. The Witcher IP was also criticized for not being 'diverse enough', and as such they made cast changes to Netflix series. Mind you this is the IP written by a guy in socialist Poland in the 1980s based clearly on Slavic folklore.
Please show me where throughout the history that conversation was across the lines of sex and gender? "Gender" is precisely not a scientific category, it is a recent development in the field of psychology, which in itself is not hard science. We were not having these types of conversations as late as 20 years ago.
Regarding 'trans people rights' - once again this is America looking at things through simplistic lenses.What Rowling is opposed to is trans rights taking precedence and place in a feminism discussion stream of girls' and women's rights. These are some things that trans women do not go through in their first 15 years of their lives:
1. Becoming critical of their weight and body at the age of 5
2. Learning to be back home early and always watch out for men when you are out
Rowling simply wants these two things - biological women rights and trans rights to be discussed separately.
Please do not use phrases like 'a six year old boy is a man' - for all intents and purposes he is, the word 'boy' is used to denote 'a male child from birth to adulthood' according to Merriam Webster dictionary. Unless you will now try to argue we should rewrite all the gender and sex based definitions in the dictionary.
killatopak
Member
Game wasn’t hurt by JK Rowling it was hurt by the twitter mob.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
Depends on how the game is written. If its like in Cyberpunk where you literally are just "Hey, do this thing! Oh noes stop this evil guy!" with no actual character development on the player character's side - I wouldn't really give a shit and that is exactly where they are going with it from what I have seen and read.
Sounds more like to me the studio is just making character creation as open as they can and putting a spin on it to get these crazy journalist cunts off their asses for fear of more bad publicity. What I am trying to say is that this feels less like woke devs trying to push stupid shit and more normal devs trying to get mentally deranged asshats who are out for blood off their backs.
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Trans community is not a block where you need to subscribe and follow some rules or you're out, it's not a club, it's not a religion. That's why many trans people are really irritated by this some minor but loudy voices who pretend to represent the whole trans community.
Instead of call them Trans People, call them with their real name: bunch of idiots.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Twenty years ago nobody hardly anyone used the term transgendered. M2F trans people who transitioned, had sex change operations and then lived the rest of their lives as members of the opposite sex were called transsexuals. They wanted nothing more than to get that part of their lives over with and move on. There were only a handful of people within that community who called themselves transgenders, they were the ones who didn't want to fully transition but to live socially as a woman, maybe have breast transplants but not have the actual sex change operations. None of these transsexuals and transgendered were political revolutionaries, all of them called themselves women. Non binary people were (almost) non existent in those days.
Nowadays transgenderism has become immensely politicized and people call themselves transgender as a political statement. Oldschool transsexuals who just want to get an operation and pick up their life once that's over with have become eclipsed by "trans" activists who at most were a small minority within the transsexual community twenty years ago. These are the people with the crazy demands (gender is a social construct, stop using the term women, there are 64 genders, men can get pregnant too so change all medical handbooks, stop using terms like "ladies and gentlemen" because this hurts non binary people, etc etc). I bet most transsexuals couldn't give a damn about all these things. If what you want most in life is to live the rest of your life as the opposite gender, why would you ever want to bring about a new woke world in which gender doesn't exist at all? That negates the whole point of the gender transition.
ToTTenTranz
Banned
Does any developer/publisher ever wonder what would happen if they completely ignored the twitter mob, and just kept using feedback info from the usual focus groups?
What does it matter? Seriously why do you care what the player wants to create with more options?
Elpidio Valdés
Member
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Gold Member
The fuck happened to individualism? I personally think Rowling is a bigoted cunt, but I also think she's an individual. There is absolutely zero point in throwing all the developers, marketing people, managers and other fine people working on this game in front of a bus just because she's an idiot.
It's like saying that someone who's trans is now part of some group of trans people and should think and act identical to each other. They all have different opinions on things, there is not a single trans person if there's a million of 'em.
People died by the millions defending individual rights and freedoms and today we've got Twitter being some kind of singular blob of people with one kind of opinion on about everything.
It's like saying that someone who's trans is now part of some group of trans people and should think and act identical to each other. They all have different opinions on things, there is not a single trans person if there's a million of 'em.
People died by the millions defending individual rights and freedoms and today we've got Twitter being some kind of singular blob of people with one kind of opinion on about everything.
Tallahassee
Member
yeah it's outrageous, as a non binary platypus I feel left out
Astral Dog
Member
i was talking with some haters on Twitter and couldn't stop laughing at the things they come with to throw this woman under the bus, apparently she was in an abusive relationshipto with her husban(and SHE was the abuser) but her fanboys dont like to talk about it and in Harry Potter ,James threatening to embarrass Snape with getting him naked at school is unquestionable proof JK Rowling is a rapist, despite James being clearly a bully and an asshole
lukilladog
Member
Do you think people will not find other words to refer to male and female homo sapiens primates?. Silly. You can kidnap the words, it will not matter as there is an infinite number of them and they are free.
Ok, now I know you are not arguing in good faith with that first sentence and just trolling. Goodbye.
Airbus Jr
Banned
JK Rowling is a bigoted cunt for telling the obvious human biology?
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GymWolf
Member
Looks like that guy decided to leave after the reeeeing mob went after him
The cunts on reeeee are already opening gender fluid champagne bottles to celebrate.
Carter Burke
Member
Another cancellation, again.
They probably sent massive boycott and defamation emails to Avalanche.
What will "the dev protector" Jason Shcreier say?
They probably sent massive boycott and defamation emails to Avalanche.
What will "the dev protector" Jason Shcreier say?
prinz_valium
Member
You only resign if you get money, or a better job offer somewhere else.
Roufianos
Member
Imagine calling someone a 'cunt' because she stated a few biological facts.
What a ridiculous definition of bigotry also. She expresses no hatred of trans people. Refusing to fuel someone's delusions isn't bigotry.
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Jk rowling was all about canceling.
Now she is being attacked by the very same loons that she was grouping up with.
funny as hell.
Woke tier twitter battles who can be offended the most.
Orta
Banned
Have a word with yourself ffs.
MMaRsu
Banned
Looks like that guy decided to leave after the reeeeing mob went after him
"leaving"
more like he was fired.
if he was a man who has an open opinion about hating a subsection of people, I dont blame the company for letting him go.
Why do companies think a few noisy
We got a live one here people.
Come on then, can you enlighten us of the specific bigoted comments that warrant the venom directed at her?
We got a live one here people.
Come on then, can you enlighten us of the specific bigoted comments that warrant the venom directed at her?
SkylineRKR
Member
Preach bro.
Those double standards and virtue signaling can fuck off. All they're doing is throw her under the bus so they're the ones coming out unscatched. After her scripts made them millionaires that don't need to work anymore if they don't want to. I would have much more respect for them if they came out and said they're grateful and Rowling might be outspoken but is honestly not a racist or bigot. Even if you disagree with some statements, don't publicly stab someone in the back you know for so long. But you see this trend a lot, people with long standing working relations throwing eachother under the bus over issues like this, because its the easy way out for them. It will be harder if you support her, because, well, they might be dropped by a studio or two. Its not even like those people are really behind their statements, its just to save their careers.
Because of this IP, there are a lot of people employed and a lot of money has been generated. Lots of people have become wealthy, but no, lets just pile on her over some tweets.
Thats what I hate about this culture. See, you can make like years of great content for a certain forum, essentially raking in the clicks, but one wrong or misinterpreted tweet and they crucify you. What kind of community is that?
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I honestly dont see the problem jk rowling wrote and created harry potter universe so its upto her how she sees that world, we are now living in a world where someone cant create a game, movie, tv show in how they seen there idea incase it upsets someone, and half the online people conplaining about things arnt even gonna be the people playing the game or watching that type of movie etc
Whitecrow
Banned
That's how society works now.
Biology, science and facts doesnt matter as long as they dont make you feel a superior being.
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
someone slap him and point him to the exit
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
Maybe you younger cunts can explain it, but what's wrong with the term transwoman and transman and leave woman and man to those of us born with the requisite parts, why the insane need to morph us all into one homogenous gloop, in all my years on this planet i've known plenty of gays (steady on stop sniggering!) a few lesbians but absolutely zero trans people.. yet the whole of fucking Twatter is dominated by the cunts
futurama78
Banned
uh well like the game needs to get made and he/she needs to say what he/she needs to say to support trans so we’ll see. If an author can just get games canceled by angering programmers/artists for comments that’s bad. We’ll see the word usage in the video. It’s not like the game matters more but there might be mental illness and immaturity. And it may be a internet joke/bait to bait mental illness statements.
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Roufianos
Member
This is the problem with the trans movement. It's no longer about acceptence of people who transition, it's moved on to blurring the lines between male and female and acting as if biological sex is an abstract concept.
Some idiot at my work recently stated that it's difficult to tell someone's gender just by a pic. Maybe if you're a clown, I can determine male or female from half a mile away.
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RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
feckin youngsters wanting to change the world.... never did that in my age, we just avoided getting shot and partying as much as we can
Guardian's Light
Member
It's still absurd a guy can't work if it has its way of thinking or living
I disagree with everything he did /said, but I find it's retarded nowadays to just stalk a guy social record and judge him depending on what it posts, we should respect a person's privacy, unless something it did or said is really out of scale - and i'm talking about really heavy things, criminal level, death threats and things like this -
If I disagree with transes or gay weddings, for example, how the hell in the world this prevents me to show my talent in my work? I have to do a fake Smile and say I love something I, disagree with, just because I Don't want future consequences with my possible deployers?
He was signed as a GAME DIRECTOR, not a politician or priest or such
Such a ridiculous world nowadays
If someone is racist or hate some categories, is its problem to have such a ( possibly) limited way of thinking, not ours
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Troozi
Member
Same here. Can't wait to play it
Reality Czar
Banned
That slippery slope I was told doesn’t exist for decades is now turning into a chasm of stupidity.
The gender madness IMO is where normies start to fight back. They will keep pushing this stuff and it will get wild this year.
Gonna be interesting to see how far these woman haters push their propaganda.
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Shodan09
Unconfirmed Member
No they don't wonder. The ones that do that just roll round in piles of money.
Reality Czar
Banned
You have it wrong it’s not that the companies fear this it’s that they use it to curry favorable coverage. They love it, it is a new way to promote product. It’s all about marketing. SJWs are the gatekeepers for media coverage so corpos know if they throw one person under the bus or add a dumb character option they will receive tons of good will, and all at very little cost to the company. Them being a minority does not matter, they have a monopoly on information. Companies know how easily they can be bought off, so they indulge in stuff like this. If it lets them fire people and look like good guys while doing it then all the better!
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Saber
Gold Member
At this point, I'm praying to this game to be about the world of Hogwarts magic and adventures. Not a social, political drama.