SolidSnakex
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gogogow said:
Kickass. That's exactly the types of details and animations they needed to add. Make Snake alot more versitile in his attacks and the way he's able to use weapons.
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Kickass. That's exactly the types of details and animations they needed to add. Make Snake alot more versitile in his attacks and the way he's able to use weapons.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
SolidSnakex said:Any guesses of what Snakes doing here?
Given the position it looks like he could be throwing a grenade over his head while still trying to stay hidden on that slope but its hard to tell.
hmm it's intresting to see that Snake is on his back in this pic, it's like he is throwing a grenade behind him.
Vangellis
Member
jett said:
Im not calling out just MGS4, im calling out the entire series. Alot of games use a restricted color palette, for drama, easier to manage etc. The first look of LO has similar look, although it remains to be seen that LO will not change up the mood a bit. I would take a guess it will. If the past MGS games are indication what you see in the shots of MGS4, that brown color will be what you are looking at till the credits. Again, im not dissing the game the MGS games are fun. Im sure it will be as stellar as one can make in the color brown
TobitheCat
Banned
More than ten? Who cares, it looks awesome.SantaC said:
wow how many polygons is in that model!
Snakes hair looks downgraded though and the polygon edges on the arm are noticible.
Don't mind me. I'm just being a graphics whore.
Two of us have already mentioned that MGS3 features an incredibly varied color palette that changes significantly throughout the game.Vangellis said:Im not calling out just MGS4, im calling out the entire series. Alot of games use a restricted color palette, for drama, easier to manage etc. The first look of LO has similar look, although it remains to be seen that LO will not change up the mood a bit. I would take a guess it will. If the past MGS games are indication what you see in the shots of MGS4, that brown color will be what you are looking at till the credits. Again, im not dissing the game the MGS games are fun. Im sure it will be as stellar as one can make in the color brown
SolidSnakex
Member
jett said:
It did have dominant colors to match each section though. Green for the forest, obviously, a brownish color for the mountain area ect. So as you said it changes to match the mood and the overall setting.
Vangellis said:Im not calling out just MGS4, im calling out the entire series. Alot of games use a restricted color palette, for drama, easier to manage etc. The first look of LO has similar look, although it remains to be seen that LO will not change up the mood a bit. I would take a guess it will. If the past MGS games are indication what you see in the shots of MGS4, that brown color will be what you are looking at till the credits. Again, im not dissing the game the MGS games are fun. Im sure it will be as stellar as one can make in the color brown
Yeah, you haven't played MGS3.
Vangellis
Member
jett said:
Cool, then I look forward to see the other areas. Do you work on MGS4 you seem rather rabid about any critisms on art style of the game game.
In regards to MG3 thats the only version I never got around to beating. I was unaware of the change in art direction on it. If its different, then I stand corrected I guess I should try to finish it lol.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Poly edges were always noticeable on him. They are using texture mapping tricks to hide that, but it's visible when observing the model silhouette. From what I've observed so far, MGS games never try to excel in any one particular visual area, it's really the whole package that it's balanced, while exploiting the hardware to the maximum that makes them look so impressive.TobitheCat said:
The Internet
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Is this for the PSOne?
karasu said:
Shit on who's parade? Sony fanboys? I'm buying the goddamn game. What else do you want from me?
It's going to be the Doom 3 syndrome. IMO
Edit: I won't be playing the game based on graphics BTW, neither for the gameplay... as I think it is boring.
That's why I ALWAYS throw it on easy and just rip through it. (LOVE the storyline)
TobitheCat
Banned
He's correct. Right now, MGS4 is STANDARD for next gen graphics, but when it comes out next year or the year after, it will be bottom of the barrell next gen graphics.karasu said:
From the video, the animations aren't anything to cry home about. They look last gen even. When this game was first unveiled Kojima said they wanted to focus more on physics and animation rather than graphics. So I never expected MGS4 to be a graphical tour de force.
With all that said, I guess the reality is that this game has a long time in gestation, so hopefully the animation comes close to what we expected it be.
SolidSnakex
Member
TobitheCat said:
Oh for the love of god. And what the fçk is even with bringing this "It looks good now, but next year LOL! Bottom of the barrel" i've never seen such a lame excuse used to talk about a game graphisc.
SolidSnakex said:
Tobith took it too far by saying it will be bottom of the barrel. I brought up that fact because I thought until today that the game would come out earlier than late next year. Now, everyone here is talking about how awesome it looks (rightly deserved)... but it just won't be as amazing as it is today. BECAUSE I WONT BE ABLE TO PLAY IT UNTIL THEN. I can look at CG for all I care. I just want to play the game.
Lame excuse? Lame excuse for what?
TobitheCat
Banned
Gawd forbid someone have a different opinion than yours! I won't bother arguing with another Kojima nut-tick. It'll just end up nowhere. You think the game looks great, that's good for you, but compared to other games on the PS3 coming out sooner, MGS4 pales in comparison.SolidSnakex said:
I apologize for having higher standards in terms of graphics.
SolidSnakex
Member
TobitheCat said:
So you just said that MGS4 is the standard for next gen. And now you turn around and say that it pales in comparison to PS3 games coming out sooner. What's it going to be next?
TobitheCat
Banned
Why do I need to be "called out"? It's my opinion. I don't expect everyone to agree with my opinion, but I see PS3 games that look better than MGS4 already and that's what I base my opinion on. Add to this the fact that Kojima said himself that graphics in MGS4 would take a backseat to physics and animation.EviLore said:
Seriously, do you expect MGS4 to match up visually with other games released in 2007-2008? I'm not saying that MGS4 looks like shit, I'm saying that it's par for the course graphically.
TobitheCat
Banned
Shhhh...xhadoukenx said:
In case you didn't notice, if you don't agree with the status quo that this game looks "mind-blowingly mindblowing", you'll get lambasted. Kojima am God and we are not even worthy of touching his shadow.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Ash Sparrow said:
That's the thing. You can't judge a scan to direct feed HD footage.
YOU JUST CAN'T!!
I disagree. Each game produced by Kojima and his team have stood the test of time. MGS3 was running on very dated hardware when it was released in 2004 and was STILL a visual feast. MGS2 also remains quite an impressive piece of work along with the two ZOE titles.Sonki. said:
Their games age well as a result of focusing on more than technology. It's the art direction, attention to detail, animation, and general look and feel of their games that keep them at the top.
Absolutely.
How the hell could you even say that? Bottom of the barrel?! I point once again to their previous works and how well they've aged. When MGS2 was released in 2001, there was nothing else on par with it in terms of overall visual package.
GauntletPhantom
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TobitheCat
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Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. I didn't say shit about what Kojima, has to do. I just stated my opinion that the game's graphics may be dated by the time it releases. The graphics are good, but they're nothing to write home about, IMO.FECordeau said:
You are certainly entitled to your own tastes and opinions. Nothing wrong with that.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Wow the haters came in really quick.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Sonki. said:
Fall or Winter 2007? What other games are you talking about?
Do you think this game won't keep getting better visually?
GauntletPhantom
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Yeah, I just looked through his post history. You can just feel the 360 love bubbling under the surface. "Yeah, that PS3 game looks OK....BUT NOT AS GOOD AS 360 OMG WTF AWESOME!!111"jett said:
I like how he is suggesting that other developers are all suddenly going to find themselves with artists as talented as those working for Kojima Productions. I mean, if MGS4 is bottom of the barrel, that must be true. Oh, but RAINBOW SIX VEGAS FTW. It's CLANCY and badass.
I think it will be still be fairly solid from a technical standpoint. MGS2 had competition on that front, but in the end, the mix of solid technology with outstanding art direction won out. Kojima Productions understands the BIG picture. They aren't going to waste memory of a 2048x2048 texture for a sewer lid or something. Too many developers spend too much time on specific things only to fall short in other areas. Kojima Productions always delivers products that are extremely high quality in ALL areas. That's why MGS4 will be tough to beat.
Look at something like Gears of War. Many consider it one of the best looking games on the horizon, and in some ways, they are totally right...but for every area where the game stands tall, there is another area where it is incredibly weak. They have an uneven product, visually speaking, and THAT is the norm in this industry. There simply aren't a lot of teams with the talent, vision, and budget that Kojima Productions brings to the table. What's the point in offering the best lighting engine ever when your animation is weak? That's what I'm getting at. The best products excel in ALL areas (and that includes gameplay, audio, visuals, polish, etc.).
It's called being unnecessarily inflammatory, regardless of whether it's opinion or not. You'd have to be a real rube to not expect a harsh reaction to that kind of unjustified criticism. Frankly, it's a stupid opinion anyway. But if you're gonna spit on the locals, don't expect them to shower you with praise. Maybe you should save that opinion until after TGS, or for some other time. That or stfu and enjoy the drubbing you deserve. PEACE.TobitheCat said:
TobitheCat
Banned
Not cumming all over MGS4??? Must be an Xbot, amirite? LAWLZ!jett said:
Judging from your post history, that's probably the best way to describe your posting style.TobitheCat said:
There is a difference between "not cumming all over" something and calling it "bottom of the barrel". You are straight up insulting some of the most talented people in the industry.
edit - Well, I was going to bring proof of his "XBOT" personality, as there is plenty of it, but it seems that he has left the area