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New PS4 Details: Automatic Caching Games Not Install
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Disco Batman
Banned
Go buy an Xbox One. No one will get angry.
Caayn
Member
Yes it will. PC's are constantly doing it with small amounts of data. If the PS4 is going to cache 40GB+ of data every time you change your game, it will affect your hard drive.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
I don't see the relevance? People were worried their HDD would fill up quickly so this doesn't apply to those who aren't worried about installing everything.
Nobody has bothered to read the original tweet, have they?
It isn't clear from the context if suspend Penello was talking about was low-power suspend or just regular go-to-menu suspend.
As for digital peeps... Sony should really just let us back up games onto an external HDD, Steam-style. That would solve everything.
So Killzone doesn't have any loading or splash screens but it will pop up a window asking if I want to cache or install?
Portugeezer
Gold Member
Ok the more I read it the more I think this is a misunderstanding.
Yoshida probably didn't explain it well. Cerny's comments before:
That website jumped to conclusions, punctuation of article is questionable which makes me question their interpretations.
The way I see it, Yoshida is simply saying there are no mandatory installs ala PS3 style where you wait 15 - 20 minutes, it's done automatically in the background.
Until I see clear evidence saying otherwise I won't believe this article.
Yoshida probably didn't explain it well. Cerny's comments before:
That website jumped to conclusions, punctuation of article is questionable which makes me question their interpretations.
The way I see it, Yoshida is simply saying there are no mandatory installs ala PS3 style where you wait 15 - 20 minutes, it's done automatically in the background.
Until I see clear evidence saying otherwise I won't believe this article.
Jumping the gun a bit? Did anyone say you can't full install from disc if you choose to.
No, in the OS you likely go to the disc section and click install....
Pretty much this.
Yoshida is just repeating what we've already known for months. You still need 50GB but the game will install it as you play, rather than having to wait for that full 50GB to install from the start.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Constantly deleting the cached data as you put another game in would pretty much destroy the purpose of caching anying in the first place, so I'm pretty sure this is wrong. Yoshida is just saying that this isn't "installs" as we know them on PS3, but rather a caching process that happens in the background. He doesn't say anything about whether every game needs its own cache space or not. So yeah, I'd say that first playing KZSF and then COD will result in almost 100 GB being used.
Red Chocobo
Banned
So the console should allocate and reserve about 50GB at all times?
If that is the case, then there is no point in pointing out that you need 50GB free space on the game box. Since your console should be reserving it automatically.
If that is the case, then there is no point in pointing out that you need 50GB free space on the game box. Since your console should be reserving it automatically.
Digital games are more expensive on consoles, so no.
Edit: If they still let us install everything then I have no problem with this.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Again, no you don't. Read the OP. It's a cache, not an install. All it does (assuming every game is 50gb for arguments sake) is reduce the capacity of the 500gb HDD to 450gb, which to me is acceptable.
No its not. There won't be full installs from disc on PS4 so if that's important he should download it.
Sonys gotten much better at sales as this Gen has gone on. I just got Kill zone for 50 at launch.
Nothing I've said is contradictory to that.
That's how it's always worked on 360 but I think Yosp's tweet is a little vague/being misinterpreted after reading Cerny's quote above. Sounds almost like the more you play a game, the more the game installs itself instead of a full install right away.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
That's not clear at all. Yoshida/Sony haven't said anything about there just being a single 50 GB cache used for all games or if every game needs its own space. That site is just making shit up. And as I wrote above, deleting the cache for a game as soon as you put another one in would pretty much make caching anything in the first place pointless.
Japanmanx3
Member
Magnificent!
I think its like this.
The games wont "claim" the space. Say you only have 50GB left on a drive, you play some KZ and it uses those last 50GB. Then you play CoDGhosts, the game wont say OH NO U HAVE NO SPACE!!! but the OS will delete the KZ cache and let the new game use that remaning 50GB. So it would re-cache everytime you play, IF you only have that little space.
Thats how I think this works...
games are probably designed to use this properly... also they mentioned before that they want to use both BD and HDD to actually speed up loading as it is faster to have both.
John Caboose
Member
Yeah I think the article is misinterpreting, Sony has always said the games had mandatory installs but that they happened in the background. Remember English isn't this guys first language and this is just a tweet compared to the loads and loads of times I've read that the installs are mandatory.
Disco Batman
Banned
Hard drive spinning is a hard drive spinning. Makes no difference. But hey I'm only a hardware engineer. I don't know much
None.
The whole game will effectively be on the hard drive after a couple hours of play.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
You answered "pretty much this" to this post:
Which suggests to me that you still think it's an install and is permanent. It doesn't install, it caches.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Yep, this is what I'd bet on. Each game takes its own space as long as there is space available. If there's not, earlier cached data (probably the oldest or least recently accessed) gets deleted. Also, game data will probably never fill the entire HDD, but older data will start getting deleted as a certain limit is reached.
mangochutney
Member
That isn't caching, then, is it.
It is installation. He says 'no install'.
He also uses the term caching, and caching is not permanent. Installing is.
I can't believe how uninformed some of you are.
This is in reference to the mandatory install noted on COD Ghosts of 50gb. Everyone was concerned that would be the norm for games this generation such as we had with mandatory installs for games this past generation. As it turns out, you do not need to do a mandatory install for these games. It is rather cached.
As for full installs not being possible, please tell me where in the fuck you read that in the OP.
This is in reference to the mandatory install noted on COD Ghosts of 50gb. Everyone was concerned that would be the norm for games this generation such as we had with mandatory installs for games this past generation. As it turns out, you do not need to do a mandatory install for these games. It is rather cached.
As for full installs not being possible, please tell me where in the fuck you read that in the OP.
pharmboy044
Member
I guess I'm wrong but caching your games doesn't seem like a very hardrive friendly feature to have. I guess I might also be wrong about this too.
https://twitter.com/yosp/status/373351063358672896
https://twitter.com/yosp/status/372326407117889536
It's not like he is very clear.
Why should I buy a console where I don't get many of the games I want? I'm just angry that MS probably has some features again, that're really important for me and should be an obvious task for the OS-devs at Sony.
Could you please show me a good source for that?
But it's unlikely, otherwise there would be a real confirmation until now I think. I asked yosp already on twitter some weeks ago if the game could be fully installed before playing the game or if only the "installation while playing" would be possible. I didn't get an answer to that and now I probably know why.
But if I'm wrong and it is indeed possible I'll gladly post that I'm happy about that.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Did you overlook the 'for arguments sake' comment I made? It might be 5 - 6 - 7 - 10 - 100 ... yes, yes, I know that. And why would it make it pointless, unless you are going to play 10 minutes of one game and then 10 minutes of another?
What is the benefit of a full install if you still need the disc to play the games? In both cases cache or install, the game is streamed from the HDD isn't it? so I really fail to see the difference here.
I'm assuming load times wont be a problem as most games will stream their data from the very second you hit play "X" game and will continue to do so as you play.
Is there any other reason to install a game if load times stay the same whether is caching or install?
I'm assuming load times wont be a problem as most games will stream their data from the very second you hit play "X" game and will continue to do so as you play.
Is there any other reason to install a game if load times stay the same whether is caching or install?
lol...unbelieveable.
And I'm perfectly happy keeping 50 gigs free at all times to play a game. Much better than PS3 era where I was deleting and reinstalling on a regular basis, even on a 500 gb drive.
Wolf Akela
Member
I don't like this to be honest.
I'd rather just keep the cache then delete it when I want. This makes it more of an on the fly installation.
I'd rather just keep the cache then delete it when I want. This makes it more of an on the fly installation.
Actually, if you follow the second link it becomes clear the differentiating fact is the second one is asking about playing installs without the disc, where as the first is asking about playing installs with the disc in the system.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
I just think it would be rather stupid to make an important feature like this only work if you always only play a single game from start to finish without ever putting another one in during that time. I just don't buy that. Each game requiring its own space (if there's space available) is much more likely, and would make the caching much more useful.