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|OT| Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Holy shit the difference in Dirt 5 is massive.

Deserving of a new thread I believe




EDIT: ArcaneNLSC ArcaneNLSC updated. :messenger_sunglasses:
 
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When doing a GPU benchmark, which Alex is doing here, you always try to eleminate all other bottlenecks beside the GPU. So you run your benchmark with the fastest CPU, RAM, SSD, etc. This way you can measure the GPUs at their peak performance. If you don't do this, you will compare the PS5's GPU to a 2060 Super running below it's potential performance, gimping the result. If you make your CPU slow enough, the PS5 would even beat the RX 3090, which would be incorrect. As you can see, the 10900K is not stressed and so should be the PS5's CPU. Thus the PS5's GPU should also not be constraint by it's CPU in this case, making this a rahter fair comparison.
except the PS5 CPU is weaker than the Intel 10900K, so we don't know if the PS5 would perform better with a stronger CPU.

No one would benchmark 4 different GPUs using a 10900K for 3 of them and then a 3700X for the last one. It would be an invalid comparison for all 4 cards.

To benchmark against the PS5, a PC spec I'd use is:

Ryzen 3700X CPU @ 3.6 GHz
X570 motherboard, 16 GB DDR4
Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti FE or RTX 2080 FE
1 TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe SSD
 
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360p version up

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- A bug can make the game run at 45~50fps on XSX. To solve this restart the console
- Texture detail, anysotropic filtering, foliage density, all lower on Series X
- Resolution in Quality mode tends to hover between native 4K and 1800p on PS5, goes down to 1440p often on Series X
- Reduction in LODs on XSX.
- 120Hz mode turns Tesselation off on Series X completely. All the rest becomes even worse than the PS5.


Ouch
Dude really need to work on some encoding techniques. Maybe more Youtube-friendly parameters. 360p only every time is so bizarre and I didn't see that in any other places.
 

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slow on guys more news than I can handle

so you are saying ps5 is as good as 2080 super

and more games better on ps5 than series x including fifa and nba

really Im not regretting buying this console

and in Trump's voice: itssss yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge :messenger_grinning_sweat::messenger_grinning_sweat::messenger_squinting_tongue:
 
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Dude really need to work on some encoding techniques. Maybe more Youtube-friendly parameters. 360p only every time is so bizarre and I didn't see that in any other places.

That has nothing to do with him. It's youtube. But usually it takes half an hour to me before going to 4K, and usually few minutes before 1080p. I think it's youtube being stressed, I guess.
 

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Even DF complaining about Youtube has 1080p base version. And he has to reupload in multiple videos now. Something is just not right.

No, DF and NXGamer have 1080p for 120Hz testing. That's their problem, not youtube. Don't get things mixed ;)

When I upload 4K videos, it takes around 15-25 minutes for 4K to be ready, and it depends on the length as well. I prefer to keep it private until the highest resolution is available before making it public.
 

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360p version up

Edit:

- A bug can make the game run at 45~50fps on XSX. To solve this restart the console
- Texture detail, anysotropic filtering, foliage density, all lower on Series X
- Resolution in Quality mode tends to hover between native 4K and 1800p on PS5, goes down to 1440p often on Series X
- Reduction in LODs on XSX.
- 120Hz mode turns Tesselation off on Series X completely. All the rest becomes even worse than the PS5.


Ouch

And he did't do any comparison with PS5 because he didn't have a code. So, yeah. Ouch!
 
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So, with everything we currently know, what’s a realistic price they could have released the PS5 for? $600? $650?
If we knew all this before pricing was announced.
$499
everything above that price would have been a desaster... It was the maximal price possible, nearly no matter how fast the device is.
Sony wants to sell 100+ mio PS5, and you can do that only if you price the device on a level where normal people are buying them, not just some nerds like us.
 
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When doing a GPU benchmark, which Alex is doing here, you always try to eleminate all other bottlenecks beside the GPU. So you run your benchmark with the fastest CPU, RAM, SSD, etc. This way you can measure the GPUs at their peak performance. If you don't do this, you will compare the PS5's GPU to a 2060 Super running below it's potential performance, gimping the result. If you make your CPU slow enough, the PS5 would even beat the RX 3090, which would be incorrect. As you can see, the 10900K is not stressed and so should be the PS5's CPU. Thus the PS5's GPU should also not be constraint by it's CPU in this case, making this a rahter fair comparison.
Current gen games do not tax the cpus. Neither the ps5 or the pc cpus are being used to their fullest. If you turn on cpu usage monitors on pc, you will see all the games top out at 20-50% even at 120 fps.

He probably didn't need a 20 core cpu but for the proposes of comparing GPUs, going with a high end cpu eliminates any bottlenecks the cpu might have had during testing which means the results you are getting here are strictly gpu bound for a more accurate picture of the ps5 gpu.

What yous are explaining makes perfect sense if you are trying to compare PC GPU vs PC GPU. However throwing a console into the mix kinda disrupts the whole comparison doesnt it? Because essentially you are no longer comparing GPU vs GPU but system vs system? Also the resolution isnt even the same, this whole comparison is kinda dumb if you ask me. 🤷‍♂️
 

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That mind share though



Eminem unboxing a ps5 a whole snl sketch dedicated to it.


Sorry fellas but this generation is long over. Ps5 owns the mind share. I expect 4:1 ratio when all is said and done. Gamepass doesn't generate excitement and will probably be on ps5 by 2027. It is what it is. I'm so happy with my ps5 purchase.
 
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So, with everything we currently know, what’s a realistic price they could have released the PS5 for? $600? $650?
If we knew all this before pricing was announced.
That fact that you are even asking this question, means you probably didn't pay attention to past console releases.

How many people do you think a console needs to sell to, to survive? The console price is basically a give away regardless. It is the number of owners that matters. This is where Microsoft made the mistake, thinking that it doesn't matter if Xbox Series X sales tanked.
 

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Eminem unboxing a ps5 a whole snl sketch dedicated to it.


Sorry follows but this generation is long over. Ps5 owns the mind share. I expect 4:1 ratio when all is said and done. Gamepass doesn't generate excitement and when probably be on ps5 by 2027. It is what it is. I'm so happy with my ps5 purchase.

I mean PS Now has killer apps that GamePass lacks, and 3-4x more games.
 

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Man, this brings so much memories. I mean, why a normal guy would even bother to by XSX with no exclusives when you got better games, better performance, better controller, faster loading, better audio for the same price?

Disappointing they used Assassins Creed though - Demon’s Souls would’ve scanned just as well 😇

SNL are casuals ... 😂😂😂
 
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Man, this brings so much memories. I mean, why a normal guy would even bother to by XSX with no exclusives when you got better games, better performance, better controller, faster loading, better audio for the same price?
It does make me wonder if Microsoft was better off raising the Xbox Series X price a little more.

Because PS5 and Series X have price parity, it makes it more justified for people to make direct comparisons. It just seems like it was not an accident that Xbox original and xboxOne were launched at a higher price than the equivalent PS. And the only reason 360 was cheaper than PS3 was because of The Cell.

As it stands, with history as evidence, it does look like that Sony makes more powerful machines for less money than Microsoft.

The suspicion that the heart of Series X was meant to work in servers, also seem to reflect the mistake Sony already made for the PS3. The Cell was meant to be used for everything, and ended up not being that good for running games.
 
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Disappointing they used Assassins Creed though - Demon’s Souls would’ve scanned just as well 😇

SNL are casuals ... 😂😂😂
I thought assassin's creed had marketing deal with xbox. Isn't it funny they used it for ps5? I wonder if they know it performs best on ps5?!
 

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Some dual sense battery feedback.

In a very unscientific, but more accurate use case, yesterday I played demon's souls using the dual sense for 11 hours non stop. By then the controller was on its last bar but still didn't give me the "battery low" message. Unfortunately I had to stop at that point, but I suspect it was probably an hour at most away from needing to charge.

Speaking of charging, using the PS5 rest mode it took exactly 1 hour 54 mins to fully charge the controller from the above position.

So at least for my case, the controller has a "11-12 hour battery life" and a "2 hour recharge time".

Makes sense as to why Sony allows you to set the usb power output for 3 hours after going into rest mode. It's basically enough to charge the controller from dead.
 
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Current gen games do not tax the cpus. Neither the ps5 or the pc cpus are being used to their fullest. If you turn on cpu usage monitors on pc, you will see all the games top out at 20-50% even at 120 fps.

He probably didn't need a 20 core cpu but for the proposes of comparing GPUs, going with a high end cpu eliminates any bottlenecks the cpu might have had during testing which means the results you are getting here are strictly gpu bound for a more accurate picture of the ps5 gpu.
I'm sorry but that is factually incorrect. Especially at resolutions sub 4k, in open world type of games the cpus do indeed have an impact in frame rate, which is particularly important when we're hitting close to 60 fps (but not always reaching the mark).
This could indeed have been avoided if he had used a ryzen 3700x for a more apples to apples comparison of the GPU. If he was simply looking at overall system and how such game would theoretically perform in a high end pc vs the ps5, then fair play.
 

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Everytime I turn off my ps5 after using it for hours I hear the plastic extracting. I think I need to take the plates off and let it air out
 

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Is Alex... beginning to wave the white flag on PS5 hate? :messenger_fearful:
Well if we want really fall in this argument again, he uses repeatedly a cutscene as benchmark for ps5 performance which has been reported bugged because it runs worse after the last patch, by the same DF, some days ago. It's really tough to understand his logic sometimes.
 
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On the other side...

To be fair, DMC5 seems runs better in series X except sometimes in the 120 FPS mode, at least looking to the previous DF videos. Sure we are talking of marginal differences but we need to give the right merit to series X when it happens. Would be interesting to see vgtech put his hands on it, because it's quite more reliable in those things.
 
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To be fair, DMC5 seems runs better in series X except sometimes in the 120 FPS mode, at least looking to the previous DF videos. Sure we are talking of marginal differences but we need to give the credit which deserves when we have it.

The difference is devastating in the 120Hz for PS5 and minor for XSX on 60Hz, so no credit there either ;)
 

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The difference is devastating in the 120Hz for PS5 and minor for XSX on 60Hz, so no credit there either ;)
Go back and watch it again. I did, and series X definitely runs better during the gameplay in 60 fps mode at least from what it's showed. Again I'm not talking of huge difference but neither the 120 fps devasted the series X performance, if we want to be honest.
 

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Go back and watch it again. I did, and series X definitely runs better during the gameplay in 60 fps mode at least from what it's showed. Again I'm not talking of huge difference but neither the 120 fps devasted the series X performance, if we want to be honest.

Watched it fully, but the difference is not big in favor to XSX in those 60Hz modes, but massively big for PS5 on 120Hz. So that is a clear win as well. :messenger_sunglasses: