Of course it matters if the base console is 4TF and not 12+. I understand what you say but I think you also can what I mean. I don"t want Microsoft to withhold the new gen also. It was enough for one time. And no, I'm not a Sony fanboy, I just want the largest leap possible.
The Xbox One X is a machine designed to run X1S or PS4 games at 4k. It's going to be tied to last gen because of the Jag CPU.
You realize the main consoles will be psuhing 4k right?, the 4tf Xbox is a 1080p machine.
Well i'm sure both Xboxes will run the same games at the same settings, just the little brother at 1080p, and the big brother at 4k.
But what are all the marketing managers going to do if they can't plug "4k!!!!"
1080p with TAA and a sharpening filter, and you have perfrectly crisp and jaggie free image.
You realize that the Xbox One X plays current gen games at 4k (more or less) at 6 TF? But let's just calculate with 8 TF. So we have like 4 TF left for the "real" nextgen consoles which won't be utilized as well as it could be since the games will be built around the base machine, which is 4TF only.
I'd take 4k over 1080p any day of the week
It doesnt work like that, and the X is playing XB1 games at 4k. The main nextgen Xbox will be playing the 4tf consoles games at 4k. Like i said in an earlier post, if anything the 4tf console will be slightly more capable than the 12tf consoles, due to it being 1080p vs 4k. The 4tf console is NOT holding anything back, it will be just as capable as the 12tf machines as its aiming for 108p and not 4k.
If MS goes with two skus, I don't think gamers will care. Devs won't care either. They already do that with Pro/X patch updates.If history teaches us anything the more powerful hardware never usually wins. Its all about content and more importantly price
MS's path down two console types (if true) is an interesting approach. Essentially at launch you are splitting the user base into two camps who will get two different experiences. Then the dev teams who will have to optimise two different versions of a game. Will the lower spec machine restrict the game types of the more powerful machine.
IMHO this is a very messy route to go down and breaks what fundamentally console gaming is about a common playing field with everyone on the same piece of hardware. Its great that it will allow a cheaper entry point into Xbox but it will fragment the owners and community IMHO.
I know this gen we have had the X and Pro but essentially they are just faster versions of the same machine with 4K enhancements. My guess is that MS will follow the same pattern. However the difference is this time they are supposedly doing it at launch.
Exactly. And any console war BS will come from the competing brand.
It's hard to understand because your maths don't add up. PS4 is 1,84 Tf at 1080p so with a 4TF console you have 2,16 TF overhead for the graphics jump. For PS4 graphics at 4K you need around 8TF and that means 4TFs of overhead for graphics jump on a 12TF console. Of course it's not so simple, but I hope it's clear now what I mean.
Because the 12tf consoles will not be running XB1/PS4 games at 4k, they will be running the equivelant of a 4tf 1080p game at 4k.
From how far away I sit and my eyes, 4k on my x900f looks alot better than 1080p
I dont think anyone is saying 4k isnt better than 1080p. Its just the problem is that the main next gen consoles targeting 4k means real world performance gains of only 2-3 times over PS4 and XB1. Now imagine a 12tf maching running at 1080p, that would be upwards of 10 times the processing performance over the current consoles.
That makes sense, but I think both your and my opinion can be right. Unfortunately, only a game developer could answer which one of us is right, I think.
You're right in the sense that its not going to be a big jump next gen. Like i said, 4k means real world performance of only 2-3 times that of PS4/XB1. There are going to be a lot of games next gen that dont look much better than the best PS4/XB1 has now like GOW, Horizon, Forza Horizon 4 etc. Thats just the price of targeting 4k.
Honestly, I don't care about 4K at all, I just know that it's the current buzz... If only we got a 12TF console with 1080p games. I hope open world games will look like The Order 1886 and devs finally get rid of pop-ups, flickering, low-res shadows and effects, zero jaggies. All in all this gens graphics are quite enough for me if we don't count these flaws I mentioned.
As much as i would like 1080p next gen, the main next gen consoles will def be targeting 4k. If the One X, and even the Pro in some games, targets 4k, a 12+tf console will def be targeting 4k.
Yeah, it's not a question sadly.
We will still see some amazing looking games for sure, especially if you have a 4k screen, its just the jump isnt going to be as good as a lot of people are expecting/hoping for.
Bioware, ND, Insomniac, Rockstar, Bethesda says they prefer cinematic 30 fps.
Thank God for that.
Yeah for sure. The majority of games next gen will still be 30fps, make no mistake about that. The machines will have the capacity to push more 60fps games if the devs want to, compared to what they could do this gen with the crappy Jaguars.
Ok that makes sense
I'm more than happy them sticking to 1440p. This resolution looks crisp and good enough on a 4k TV, and happy for the rest of the power used somewhere else.
How did you come up with those figures, im curious what calculation you used?
He's not wrong. you need 3-4 times the processing power to run a 1080p game at 4k, depending on the game. I have tested it on tons of PC games over the years amnd its always in that range.
that not true, it will be the same experience, the only difference is resolution. no one must make compromise in game development.If history teaches us anything the more powerful hardware never usually wins. Its all about content and more importantly price
MS's path down two console types (if true) is an interesting approach. Essentially at launch you are splitting the user base into two camps who will get two different experiences. Then the dev teams who will have to optimise two different versions of a game. Will the lower spec machine restrict the game types of the more powerful machine.
IMHO this is a very messy route to go down and breaks what fundamentally console gaming is about a common playing field with everyone on the same piece of hardware. Its great that it will allow a cheaper entry point into Xbox but it will fragment the owners and community IMHO.
I know this gen we have had the X and Pro but essentially they are just faster versions of the same machine with 4K enhancements. My guess is that MS will follow the same pattern. However the difference is this time they are supposedly doing it at launch.
not when the base console has the same cpu/ram/ssd speed like the 4K version.
... and what when MS is releasing this 1080p console on this year E3 and the big one in 12-14 months.I get it... one will have slightly shinier graphics. Just seems pointless on a launch console. Anyway. It will be what it will be.
I can see more drawbacks than benefits. Since Zen2 is more powerful than Jaguar, 8c is more than enough for next gen games and adding 2c would only use die space that could be better used for more GPU compute units.
