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Ninja Gaiden 2+ |OT| The Feel of Ninja Gaiden 2
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I wasn't interested in buying that version but I'm surprised it would run so poorly as they actually built a separate engine specifically for 3DS (all other versions run on the Sumo engine). If they had to create a separate code base for 3DS you'd think they would have optimized it better.
Chance Hale
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Not many reviews for the big handheld games coming out today, don't think I've seen any for Etrian Odyssey IV besides the kotaku preview. Perhaps they got copies late? Or Sigma 2 Plus's case didn't send them because it looks awful :/
mullet2000
Member
Well....I actually think MT Framework mobile is more powerful than you are suggesting. DMC4 would be difficult, no doubt, but I suspect they could do a better job than Team Ninja did here.
Welcome to the Ninja Gaiden Σ2+ Official Thread.
Where we talk about Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed and Devil May Cry 4 ports.
A total of two reviews are up, both from Spanish websites. Meristation and Vandal Online both gave it an 8/10 (and both reviews are three pages long, surprisingly).
I haven't got a chance to play the copy I picked up, but I'll post my impressions later tonight if anyone's interested.
Where we talk about Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed and Devil May Cry 4 ports.
Not that I blame you guys.
A total of two reviews are up, both from Spanish websites. Meristation and Vandal Online both gave it an 8/10 (and both reviews are three pages long, surprisingly).
I haven't got a chance to play the copy I picked up, but I'll post my impressions later tonight if anyone's interested.
Download vouchers were sent to reviewers and the codes didn't work. They just sent out new codes today for review purpose.
Wow, so T-K messed up with codes in general.
Anyone got news on whether the pre-order codes are working now/being distributed?
eighty(one)
Member
I've made it to Hyabusa Village - and the game is playable with gore on Single player mode. It feels as fluid as NGS+ (I can't tell much Difference), except for some areas which slow down. There was only one area so far, which crawled and that was emerging from the sky city to a cherry blossom area.
The boss fights are fluid, the game is crisp, until fighting larger mobs and the resolution downgrades, but everything feels consistent. When you have the stylish takedowns, the resolution seems to sharpen, as the camera pans in.
It's a great game so far and I'm actually enjoying more than Sigma +, which I bought in launch day last year. It's just so fun.
One thing of note: I guess I like sharp resolutions and AA (I'm spoiled by modern convenience and iPhone 5) - but look, it's a still a handheld with mobile processors. Remember the Vita runs the most advanced portable games, available on no other mobile device. That we can even play a current gen game in our hands and acceptably ported, who am I to bitch about that?
Considering we are not even a decade removed from the Gameboy advance, no way can I turn my nose up at these awesome games I'm playing on my Vita. Reality has a way of tempering expectations. Can't expect perfect in an imperfect world....
...Oh, I didn't receive any codes, although I preordered the first day Gamestop added the game.
The boss fights are fluid, the game is crisp, until fighting larger mobs and the resolution downgrades, but everything feels consistent. When you have the stylish takedowns, the resolution seems to sharpen, as the camera pans in.
It's a great game so far and I'm actually enjoying more than Sigma +, which I bought in launch day last year. It's just so fun.
One thing of note: I guess I like sharp resolutions and AA (I'm spoiled by modern convenience and iPhone 5) - but look, it's a still a handheld with mobile processors. Remember the Vita runs the most advanced portable games, available on no other mobile device. That we can even play a current gen game in our hands and acceptably ported, who am I to bitch about that?
Considering we are not even a decade removed from the Gameboy advance, no way can I turn my nose up at these awesome games I'm playing on my Vita. Reality has a way of tempering expectations. Can't expect perfect in an imperfect world....
...Oh, I didn't receive any codes, although I preordered the first day Gamestop added the game.
That definitely explains it. Didn't wanna come off like I was saying "WTF!?!?! get it together" just thought there was no love for NGS2+. Thanks for the heads up Nate.
eighty(one)
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the androgyne
Member
Someone on Gamefaqs (and someone else corroborating him) seems to think an unsuspecting option smooths out the framerate even in tag mode:
Interested to hear others who have the game try it out! Now if only there was an unsuspecting option that fixed the resolution...
Interested to hear others who have the game try it out! Now if only there was an unsuspecting option that fixed the resolution...
I did this yesterday and noticed a huge improvement in the game. Yes there was still slowdown but nowhere near as bad as right out of the box.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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The camera option is an odd fix. Can it just be fooling the eye thinking it's faster? If it works than that's great.
Question about motion controls and touch controls. Does this game use motion for aiming with the bow? Does it also use the back touch screen for anything?
Question about motion controls and touch controls. Does this game use motion for aiming with the bow? Does it also use the back touch screen for anything?
That's an option, you can disable it, it uses the back touch for projectile weapon and 1st person view, you can disable too.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
I forgot how it's been used in Uncharted and I didn't try it here.
Edit: Great, I have a glitch that crushed the game for me, in Chapter 2 when you take the bow you go to face the spider/ninja, the door didn't open for me, the game tells me to take the bow, which I did. -.-"
I finished the level in warrior difficulty without problems, currently playing in Mentor.
eighty(one)
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Just tested my copy, in regard to those changes of camera speed/gore settings.
The IQ changes when Ryu is in motion, when perfectly still there is AA applied.
Framerate wise, the game is merely acceptable. The frame rate seems to have solidified at what NGS+ is set at, when the camera speeds are both set to "fast". Even better (no slowdown), when gore is off - though gore seems to have a minimal impact, compared to the adjusting camera speed.
So I'll leave gore on.
I have not tested any multi settings.
In regard to the bow:
There is a button on the left touch screen to activate it. Use right trigger to fire. That's it. No gyro, back touch or other touch screen areas trigger anything. Just an acceptably sized icon. Works well, too. Hitting any button will toggle back to your weapon automatically, as both are equipped.
Not intrusive at all.
The system brightness is not limited by the game, so you can set the Vita brightness at 100%, if you so choose.
The game is washed out in brightness, like S+, so alter it accordingly. I like me settings at:
Gamma: 1.5
Brightness: -.50
Contrast: 1.5
Any fan of NGS+ needn't worry, I played half of chapter 2 with the settings adjustments, just to test everything.
The IQ changes when Ryu is in motion, when perfectly still there is AA applied.
Framerate wise, the game is merely acceptable. The frame rate seems to have solidified at what NGS+ is set at, when the camera speeds are both set to "fast". Even better (no slowdown), when gore is off - though gore seems to have a minimal impact, compared to the adjusting camera speed.
So I'll leave gore on.
I have not tested any multi settings.
In regard to the bow:
There is a button on the left touch screen to activate it. Use right trigger to fire. That's it. No gyro, back touch or other touch screen areas trigger anything. Just an acceptably sized icon. Works well, too. Hitting any button will toggle back to your weapon automatically, as both are equipped.
Not intrusive at all.
The system brightness is not limited by the game, so you can set the Vita brightness at 100%, if you so choose.
The game is washed out in brightness, like S+, so alter it accordingly. I like me settings at:
Gamma: 1.5
Brightness: -.50
Contrast: 1.5
Any fan of NGS+ needn't worry, I played half of chapter 2 with the settings adjustments, just to test everything.
So finally got home and booted up the game, my impressions:
The game's default screen settings make it look faded out, so I suggest you bump up the contrast a bit and lower the gamma and brightness.
The controls are about as responsive as Σ Plus, so take what you will from that. Being able to shoot the bow in midair by tapping anywhere on the touch screen is a nice addition imo, and Ninpo doesn't seem to have any gimmicks attached to it. Being able to to disable back touch and motion controls shows that at least Team Ninja learned from Σ Plus.
EDIT: Though I should mention that there seems to be a micro-stutter every time something gory happens.
The sub-native res didn't bother me as much as I thought. Whatever resolution this game runs at with nothing on screen, it's close to native as the visuals are still fairly crisp.
The resolution does seem to drop a lot though. It drops whenever the game loads something like a menu, and when the scene is too graphically taxing.
Loading times seem faster then Σ2, especially when switching weapons. Mid-chapter loading happens in the usual places.
Overall, I'm enjoying it. When I get to the Tag Missions, I may have a different story to tell but right now I have little complaints. It's portable Σ2 at 30fps, which is what I wanted and expected.
I'm definitely going to buy this digitally and give the retail copy to a friend.
EDIT: Lol, the Genshin Lunar loop defintely works.
The first thing I did was watch the Vampire War prologue on the main menu, which looks great on dat OLED.
Graphically, it looked much better then I thought. Sure, the textures and models are Σ Plus quality (and regularly worse in the case of textures) but it looks like a scaled down Σ2 and you tend not to notice the imperfections during combat.
The "gore" effects are definitely not as prominent as NG2's ketchupy fountains but they're still more satisfying then the purple mist vomit. Chunks of the enemy get splattered on the wall, but they fade after a few seconds. Bodies and limbs take almost twice as much time to disappear.
The game's default screen settings make it look faded out, so I suggest you bump up the contrast a bit and lower the gamma and brightness.
The bosses look and play great, despite the 30fps. I will admit that when I first booted up the game, my initial impressions were very negative. I felt like could barely control Ryu and the framerate almost seemed lower then 30fps. After a bit of time, I started adjusting and now have no issues with the framerate (which I directly compared with Σ Plus using a friend's Vita to discover that they run at the same framerate). If you could play through Σ Plus on Master Ninja and enjoy it, then you should enjoy this too.
The controls are about as responsive as Σ Plus, so take what you will from that. Being able to shoot the bow in midair by tapping anywhere on the touch screen is a nice addition imo, and Ninpo doesn't seem to have any gimmicks attached to it. Being able to to disable back touch and motion controls shows that at least Team Ninja learned from Σ Plus.
So far, I haven't encountered noticeable slowdown (playing through Chapter 2 atm). The part in Tokyo City with the cherry blossom trees did slow down, but not nearly as much as Razor's Edge does. In fact, I discovered that the slowdown in generally wasn't too bothersome, at least not in comparison to the actual choppiness of games like Assassin's Creed III Liberation.
EDIT: Though I should mention that there seems to be a micro-stutter every time something gory happens.
The sub-native res didn't bother me as much as I thought. Whatever resolution this game runs at with nothing on screen, it's close to native as the visuals are still fairly crisp.
The resolution does seem to drop a lot though. It drops whenever the game loads something like a menu, and when the scene is too graphically taxing.
This area in Chapter 2 was the first "problem area" I came across so far. The res dropped and stayed low the entire fight, making everything a muddy mess. The rest of the chapter has been going well though.
Loading times seem faster then Σ2, especially when switching weapons. Mid-chapter loading happens in the usual places.
Overall, I'm enjoying it. When I get to the Tag Missions, I may have a different story to tell but right now I have little complaints. It's portable Σ2 at 30fps, which is what I wanted and expected.
I'm definitely going to buy this digitally and give the retail copy to a friend.
EDIT: Lol, the Genshin Lunar loop defintely works.
Has anyone figured out how to get Ryu's DOA costume? I've gotten everything else but that so far.
EDIT: also - you don't get the trophies for beating the game on the higher difficulties for the lower difficulties ie; beat on mentor for warrior/acolyte trophies - you need to run through the game 4 times to get all 4 trophies.
EDIT: also - you don't get the trophies for beating the game on the higher difficulties for the lower difficulties ie; beat on mentor for warrior/acolyte trophies - you need to run through the game 4 times to get all 4 trophies.
iconoclast
Member
same thing happened to me, I had to restart the chapter.
That sucks.
At least some are playable.
Also, just got the Dabi- I mean Enma's Fang.
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ragincajun77
Banned
Learn to block
Check 4th page, posts #178 and #179. :]
Press X and Square at the same time to do a homing jump toward an enemy. Press X when you're above them to stomp on their heads and stun them for a combo. Mainly works with human-sized opponents.
Block is your friend. Dash out of the guard breaking animation when you get guard broken.
More info in the OP.
DrAndonuts
Member
Never played NG2 before, even though I loved the first game. Having a really good time with this one. I'm not really noticing the frame drops in the story mode, but the resolution is all over the place.
Has there been any mention on whether DOA5 Vita will the varying resolution too?
Has there been any mention on whether DOA5 Vita will the varying resolution too?
rockman zx
Member
No info about it but I doubt DOA5+ will have this problem too.
Apocryphon
Member
The resolution/rendering problem appears to be tied to camera changes. It happens after closing menus, picking up items and performing UT's but can quickly be rectified by simply pressing 'R' to reset the camera.
The framerate is handled like NG2 where it enters a sort of slow-mo state. It happens more often than NG2 and it is frustrating but I would rather have a portable NGS2 with and unstable framerate than no portable NGS2 at all.
I picked the game up for £22 so I don't feel cheated. The image quality isn't as good as the first game and the framerate isn't anywhere near as stable, but its still a much better game than most portable titles.
The framerate is handled like NG2 where it enters a sort of slow-mo state. It happens more often than NG2 and it is frustrating but I would rather have a portable NGS2 with and unstable framerate than no portable NGS2 at all.
I picked the game up for £22 so I don't feel cheated. The image quality isn't as good as the first game and the framerate isn't anywhere near as stable, but its still a much better game than most portable titles.
eighty(one)
Member
I love this game! It's so campy ^_^
The action is fast, frantic and feels bad ass. After I complete the game, I'll hunt down the 360 version and play that too! That version will probably be superior, but I can't deny how stellar it really is, to have this experience in my pocket (not literally, the system is too big)....
Tecmo is boss for even bringing this to Vita.
Sorry guys - I'm so giddy, the Vita was my first experience with the new era of NG games. I had the original on the NES - but man, these are great. I did play the NG2 demo on 360 some years back and wanted it, but it kind of fell off my radar. It re-emerged when NGS+ released, it I never pursued that. Then, when I heard this was coming for Vita, I had to get it to establish library continuity. I hope they bring 3(RazorEdge) and Yaiba:Z over, too.
Guys on the fence, if you enjoyed Sigma+, you'll enjoy this. Feels the same - except no clunky gyro or touch gimmicks. Presentation wise, it's better = neat finishing moves (so flashy!)
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The action is fast, frantic and feels bad ass. After I complete the game, I'll hunt down the 360 version and play that too! That version will probably be superior, but I can't deny how stellar it really is, to have this experience in my pocket (not literally, the system is too big)....
Tecmo is boss for even bringing this to Vita.
Sorry guys - I'm so giddy, the Vita was my first experience with the new era of NG games. I had the original on the NES - but man, these are great. I did play the NG2 demo on 360 some years back and wanted it, but it kind of fell off my radar. It re-emerged when NGS+ released, it I never pursued that. Then, when I heard this was coming for Vita, I had to get it to establish library continuity. I hope they bring 3(RazorEdge) and Yaiba:Z over, too.
Guys on the fence, if you enjoyed Sigma+, you'll enjoy this. Feels the same - except no clunky gyro or touch gimmicks. Presentation wise, it's better = neat finishing moves (so flashy!)
>So this is your first experience with NG2? It'll be interesting to see your later impressions.
What chapter are you on?
Did you get your Gamestop preorder code?