I think you may be reading what you want to read. I see plenty of DMC3 support in here.
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Ninja Gaiden Black still the best action game
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I think you may be reading what you want to read. I see plenty of DMC3 support in here.
Bah, I don't buy that for a second.
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Retro_
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I think it's more the posters I've seen it from than any majority opinion
Itagaki was great at what he did, but again, just laying the fact down there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32ejL6kp2sE&t=15s
Takeshi Kawaguchi was the Engineering Lead
It's pretty clear from context that the thread is about 3D action games specifically. 2D is an entirely different beast.
It seems to me that while God Hand is in the same genre as the other games being discussed, it's different enough that it's tough to compare it directly. Vanquish is in an entirely different genre.
Vanquish is a shooter. It's not in the same genre as NG/DMC
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I like God Hand more than NGB
if we're open to expanding the discussion to include a wider variety of combat action games
if we're open to expanding the discussion to include a wider variety of combat action games
Well, I stand corrected, but to a point: Though he was project lead of NGB, I'm not sure he was project lead for Ninja Gaiden Vanilla. The core mechanics and everything in NGB were established in NG. Regardless, most of the design decisions in NGB were largely due to Itagaki. And it shows.
This explains why anything that Hayashi has done without Itagaki has been complete garbage. Itagaki had nothing to do with the Sigma ports and he even hated them. In an interview he pretty much trash talked NGS on PS3 with Hayashi sitting right there because they had given the game to Hayashi to port without his approval.
Anything original that Hayashi has attempted to do without Itagaki has been a complete failure. Here's to hoping he learns with NG4.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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My theory is that, before sigma Hayashi got his hands dirty making the games. That totally went off being in charge as a director. And several people left with Itagaki. I'd say it's the same as what happened to Capcom to some extend.
Rekki-Maru
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if you take into account everything like gameplay, content, price when it first came out- ngb is the best.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
You misspelled Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening: Special Edition.
Absinthian
Neo Member
Is a third person shooter not considered an action game?
Rekki-Maru
Banned
lol dmc, bayo toppled that shit
ViewtifulJC
Banned
A lot of those bigger NGB guys are gone. Itagaki of course, but co-director Hiroaki Matsui, Yoshifuru Okamoto, Katsunori Ehara, Takuro Sasaki...Itagaki kinda cleaned them out.
Hayashi was like, "Yes, now's my time to shine! QTEs and streamlining everrrrrythiiing"
Hayashi was like, "Yes, now's my time to shine! QTEs and streamlining everrrrrythiiing"
corrosivefrost
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Nailed it.
I'm not sure if Rising is my favorite or what I consider the best, but if it's not, it's damn close.
Other contenders: DMC3, DMC4
I'd probably put the NG and NG2 games in the next tier, possibly with Bayonetta (I have very mixed feelings on Bayonetta, between the technical problems, the ninja QTEs of insta-death, the fact that you can pretty much just use a single combo to go through hard, the motorcycle stage, etc.).
Hmm, those are all pluses in my book.
I like new enemies. Considering it removes some of the bullshit platforming, that's also bonus, and Rachel was fine to break up the main story.
Shame they couldn't have made everyone happy and just included a "traditional" mode where the changes weren't in effect.
Riposte
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I don't think DMC3 is a bad game at all. It is just you can put a lot of games ahead of it and it is always weird to see it naturally assumed to be #1 or #2. If anything the forgone conclusion that it is (or was) the best action game is fading. I've always liked DMC1 more anyway.
I never had to farm in NG due to me charging UTs at the undead zombies hundred of times.
Goldenroad
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For me it's Bayonetta and no 3D action game has ever even come close.
Eh, I dunno. I like Bayonetta a lot but there's stuff I thought DMC3 did better (bosses being the big one)
ShockingAlberto
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Regular bosses I'll give you, but I'd say the Jeanne fights are superior to the Vergil fights.
And that's really hard for me to say.
PetriP-TNT
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Yesh. I have played like 500 hours of DMC 3 + SE
I was kind of turned off to Jeanne after the time you fight her just before you get the crazy animal form. That fight felt a little too similar to the first Vergil fight for my taste.
Truth. I almost think I'd rather play God of War than Ninja Gaiden, though honestly that's like comparing turds to barf next to DMC3 and Bayonetta.
gioGAF
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I have to agree. Ninja Gaiden Black is the best action game out there to this day. Many people in this thread mention other games, but they have nothing on NGB in the action department, such satisfying combat. Lol at the people who think NG2 is better (it isn't even a fully finished game).
I wish Sigma had just been an EXACT port with updated graphics, instead they added some garbage Rachel missions, plenty of tearing and loading screens, smh.
I wish Sigma had just been an EXACT port with updated graphics, instead they added some garbage Rachel missions, plenty of tearing and loading screens, smh.
CadetMahoney
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NGB > Bayonetta > Revengeance > DMC1 > NG2 > DMC3 > Kens Rage 1&2 > other Mousou games > Batman: Arkham Asylum > Shinobi (PS2) > Castelvania: Lords of Shadow >>>>>>> God of War
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NG2 isn't as fully polished as NGB, but it feels like the combat is on another level. The limb detachment and the finishers adds an entire level to the combat. The double and triple flying swallow, the incindiery shuriken guys, all of it. It's hard for me to ignore all of this. The most phrenetic, white-knuckle action is in NG2 for me for sure.
NGB is right up there though. More polish overall, better bosses, better mission mode, but the core combat is just one step behind NG2. NG2 feels almost twice as fast too.
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Why are people trying to turn this into a list thread?
You shouldn't be able to say Ken's Rage is better than Sengoku Basara and just walk out! Ken's Rage isn't even a good Koei musou
and Shinobi is more of a platformer than an combat game really. It doesn't really get more complex than enemies blocking attacks from the front
yeah I agree lists with no explanation or context are no fun
You shouldn't be able to say Ken's Rage is better than Sengoku Basara and just walk out! Ken's Rage isn't even a good Koei musou
and Shinobi is more of a platformer than an combat game really. It doesn't really get more complex than enemies blocking attacks from the front
yeah I agree lists with no explanation or context are no fun
Okay, having DMC1 above 3 feels blasphemous to me. And not having DMC4 mentioned at all is equally blasphemous considering it has the best combat engine of the entire franchise.
I mean blasphemy in silly internet debate terms, dont hate
Robot Pants
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And yet it's still the best
It's an action game in the broad sense, in that FPSes, platformers, fighting games, etc. are all "action games". But in this kind of context, when people are talking about "3D action games", they're talking about games like Ninja Gaiden, DMC, God of War, etc. It would be helpful to have a clearer name for this genre.
Angelus Errare
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Itagaki is overrated
*pours the gasoline*
*pours the gasoline*
This thread just serves to remind me that Itagaki created lacking sequels to superior last gen games. And now his probably in some Tokyo pub wallowing in his despair and unable to find a publisher for Devil's Third. Im actually really saddened by this, it's a shame a dev of his calibre is having such trouble and hasn't created a game of note since NGB.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Im afraid that i don't have a source for this, but ive read somewhere that person responisible for NGB and NG2's amazing auto targeting system (yes outside of boss fights, it is amazing - when was the last time you flying swallowed the wrong person?) left with Itagaki.
I thought it was bullshit until I played NG3.
His absence is most definitely felt.
After playing Vanquish and knowing Itagaki's love for shooters, Devils third would either been the greatest 3rd person shooter ever, or hot garbage.
There is no in between
I thought it was bullshit until I played NG3.
His absence is most definitely felt.
After playing Vanquish and knowing Itagaki's love for shooters, Devils third would either been the greatest 3rd person shooter ever, or hot garbage.
There is no in between
Pretty sure Valhalla merged with a Korean company now. They'll have something out eventually.
Itagaki is notorious for being a perfectionist. The only reason we saw DoA2 on Dreamcast is because one of his employees stole the copy that they were working on from him and gave it to higher ups at Tecmo. Itagaki was sure it wasn't ready yet.
Agreed. After playing NGS+, NG3, NG3RE...I definitely can tell a difference.
Haven't put much time into NGS2+ yet (dat framerate :/), but it seems better than the other games so far as far as targeting.
SkylineRKR
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Black is indeed the best one, but vanilla NG2 was the best in potential, if it was actually polished and finished. I prefer the combat of NG2, its more vicious and has more impact to it.
Rising? lol... invisible walls all the time, worse camera than NG, more cutscenes, and the game was being cut short after 3 or 4 chapters. Its a fun game but its not even remotely close to NGB imo.
Rising? lol... invisible walls all the time, worse camera than NG, more cutscenes, and the game was being cut short after 3 or 4 chapters. Its a fun game but its not even remotely close to NGB imo.
ViewtifulJC
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My goodness, NG3's auto-targeting is straight GARBAGE. Yes Ryu, let's aim for that guy across the room instead of the one right next to you.
How they went from being so accurate without the need for lock-on to THIS shit is staggering.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
The areas on NGS2+ look like they have been made smaller, which would help alot.
Id have to have a copy and play the same area on NG2, but just looking at my friends vita, it looks like it takes a lot less movement to get from one side of an area to another
Robot Pants
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Rising is ok. For as rushed as it was, it's still better than a lot of games.
It just has very little depth. I loved action games, and for me I was over and done with this game in a week.
It just has very little depth. I loved action games, and for me I was over and done with this game in a week.
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