AceBandage
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selig said:
The design of the Pokedex in each generation reflects the design of the handheld.
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Nintendo 3DS Announced: New 3D handheld (no glasses!), reveal @ E3, out by March 2011
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The design of the Pokedex in each generation reflects the design of the handheld.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokédexselig said:
Just look at it
But, the Pokedexes resemble the systems the game is played on. So that's why it's far from guaranteed the Black & White will resemble 3DS.
upandaway said:
I would think of that as a design flaw, though. I could see a lot of people hitting the hinges every time they set their 3DS down and therefore weakening, and maybe eventually breaking the hinge.
Although what am I saying, it's not like the hinge was all that strong already, at least for the DSLite.
AceBandage
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Varjet said:
No clue.
I'm still trying to figure out why B&W are DS games anyway.
Would have been the perfect launch title for 3DS.
Gamer @ Heart said:
If Nintendo don't go after the 3D movie market..then they are just plain dumb.
Be it by download..or by having the movies available at retail for $20 a pop..it's something they should be doing for launch IMO.
Kids would screaming at their parents to get them a 3DS if Disney and Dreamworks 3D films are lining the shelves (I'd probably by half a dozen myself)....
...and Nintendo should be moving heaven and earth to get Avatar on the 3DS day one (sadly I'm not convinced they will..but they really should).
They have a massive opportunity to grab a chunk of the 3D movie market..before rival devices get a chance to include a 3D screen of their own.
DeathbyVolcano
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AceBandage said:
I would assume it's for assurance to third parties that their games are vital for a successful launch of the system.
rollingstart
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AceBandage said:
well, how many people own a DS? how many people do you think will down a 3DS by the time Black and White come out?
you can't expect everyone to go out and buy the next hardware for one game even if it is a new pokemon. Softwares sales for black and white on the DS will be much greater because there are more DS users. Also consider that it will most likely be backwards compatible, meaning 3DS users can still buy and play it, but it won't alienate 3DS owners.
another question would be why the recent surge of PSP games are coming out if Sony was planning a PSP2. I mean, with the exception of the new Monster Hunter on PSP selling in Japan, the PSP foundered in the western market. Things like PE 3rd birthday, Agito XIII, new God of War, etc.
Nintendo doesn't have that much software coming out for the DS. Off the top of my head, there is the new GoldenSun and Pokemon. Some games are just coming to the states like DQ9 and that Final Fantasy Four Light Warriors thing, but most games, even third party, seem about done.
AceBandage
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Well, Pokemon would sell regardless of what they put it on.
And putting it on the 3DS would boost initial sales of the system.
But I do see the point in allowing third parties to get in on the ground floor.
And putting it on the 3DS would boost initial sales of the system.
But I do see the point in allowing third parties to get in on the ground floor.
rollingstart
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AceBandage said:
I can understand having a low opinion of people and their buying habits if you read the recent iphone threads, but not everyone would go out to spend ~$200 on the hardware and $30-50 on the game. It will boost sales of hardware a lot, but it would definitely limit the software sales. These games are still marketed to kids.
Dreamwriter
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Where did we hear that? Nintendo's never hinted at anything like that...it's something a certain group of people wish for, and thus speculate about, though...sprsk said:
DeathbyVolcano
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Dreamwriter said:
It's what people have been hearing about the system, particularly at GDC.
EmCeeGramr
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Another problem I just realized for screens of different size and resolution: screenshots are gonna be messed up if you want to display both screens at once.
DeathbyVolcano
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yeah, I hadn't thought of that. they're going to be messed up anyway though, right? because of the 3d?
Cow Mengde
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Assuming the resolution is 800 x 480 for a single screen, then combined both screen of the same resolution into one screen would mean 960p for the 3DS. That would be fucking crazy. The current Sub-HD twins can barely handle 720p, I'm not feeling very good about the 3DS delivering in either visuals or battery life.
Mr. Pointy
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That's in 2D mode. Resolution in 3D mode is half that.Cow Mengde said:
I did make a "gapless" concept to go along with that rumor...
It worked by having the top & bottom screens only having a flexible seam between them and the bottom hinge being under the top of the bottom screen with the top hinges connecting on either side of it. With such a design though, I had to take into account that the viewing angle of both screens would need to be the same (why a best image?). But then there's the problem of dust getting between the screens and overall durability. Then you have to assume that both screens would be the same size, resolution & aspect ratio. I totally abandoned it (I also abandoned 2 sticks) because the FCC filing goes against both those ideas...
So now I believe ('cos the FCC filing is more legit than some rumor IMO):
1) slide design
2) there will be a multi-touch/touch only aim when the system is in the closed possition
3) #2 is not possible with a clamshell design due to lack of ergonomics/durability
4) #2 allows for some new technology (like artificial muscle feedback) to be possible
5) top & bottom screens are different & therefore can't/shouldn't/won't be "close together"
6) bottom screen is just a stock DS touchscreen for B/C & minor 3DS use
7) #6 is cheaper & makes future iterations easier to cope with B/C
8) only one analog short stick
It worked by having the top & bottom screens only having a flexible seam between them and the bottom hinge being under the top of the bottom screen with the top hinges connecting on either side of it. With such a design though, I had to take into account that the viewing angle of both screens would need to be the same (why a best image?). But then there's the problem of dust getting between the screens and overall durability. Then you have to assume that both screens would be the same size, resolution & aspect ratio. I totally abandoned it (I also abandoned 2 sticks) because the FCC filing goes against both those ideas...
So now I believe ('cos the FCC filing is more legit than some rumor IMO):
1) slide design
2) there will be a multi-touch/touch only aim when the system is in the closed possition
3) #2 is not possible with a clamshell design due to lack of ergonomics/durability
4) #2 allows for some new technology (like artificial muscle feedback) to be possible
5) top & bottom screens are different & therefore can't/shouldn't/won't be "close together"
6) bottom screen is just a stock DS touchscreen for B/C & minor 3DS use
7) #6 is cheaper & makes future iterations easier to cope with B/C
8) only one analog short stick
frankie_baby
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Defuser said:
i'm pretty sure we'll be seeing mhp3 on it
BlueWord said:
I'm glad you phrased it like that. Because that's exactly how that bizarre design looks to me. Like it slides up. Can someone explain to me how it's not the top screen that's being slid up? And if it is, why would you hide the good screen in single display mode?
So for those of you saying it will be a slide up and out design, you mean when sliding out, both top and bottom will be flush and lock (somehow) to one another?
Also, if it does slide up, wouldn't the top screen have to be exposed as it is only sliding up?
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Wait, where is this design at? I must have missed it. It's not the top screen the slides up?
Also, if it does slide up, wouldn't the top screen have to be exposed as it is only sliding up?
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1-D_FTW said:
Wait, where is this design at? I must have missed it. It's not the top screen the slides up?
I just had the best idea ever.
Alright, so:
First, there's an analog stick. Works as usual. Can go octagonal.
Then, you grab the analog stick and rotate it 45 degrees, and the underside of it clicks into a 4-way template. Just think about the octagonal shape being of 2 layers, that are directly on top of each other, both 4-way, and you only spin one of them. It's now D-pad.
Of course it clicks digitally too so that the game knows which mode you're in (and put it on screen so you know too).
Alright, so:
First, there's an analog stick. Works as usual. Can go octagonal.
Then, you grab the analog stick and rotate it 45 degrees, and the underside of it clicks into a 4-way template. Just think about the octagonal shape being of 2 layers, that are directly on top of each other, both 4-way, and you only spin one of them. It's now D-pad.
Of course it clicks digitally too so that the game knows which mode you're in (and put it on screen so you know too).
TheGreatMightyPoo
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upandaway said:
Too complicated for casuals.
Interesting pokedex theory. But I hope it doesn't look anything like that pokedex; so ugly - like an SP with a second screen.
Would the second screen cover the controls (if gapless screens rumours are true)? Or would it stack on top of the non sliding screen with the controls always visible below, GBA SP style? If it is indeed a slider, then why the need for two screens at all? One large screen which slides up to reveal controls below, would be a simpler solution. BC would be handled by virtually splitting the large screen into two smaller ones. What advantage would a dual-physical screen setup bring?
Would the second screen cover the controls (if gapless screens rumours are true)? Or would it stack on top of the non sliding screen with the controls always visible below, GBA SP style? If it is indeed a slider, then why the need for two screens at all? One large screen which slides up to reveal controls below, would be a simpler solution. BC would be handled by virtually splitting the large screen into two smaller ones. What advantage would a dual-physical screen setup bring?
Snytbaggen said:
This is where the rumble stylus comes in. When it walks into a pop-out effect it rumbles. Didn't Nintendo patented something similar a while ago?
http://www.thetanooki.com/2010/02/22/nintendo-patents-rumble-stylus/
EatChildren
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If the new Pokedex hints at the 3DS it has to only be in the screens. There's no way the 3DS is shaped like a GameBoy.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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upandaway said:
Ok, I do.
Dreamwriter
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I doubt the whole "gapless" or "small gap" rumor. The only place we've ever heard it was from a single small random blog site. One that missed out on one big important piece of information: 3D. Since that gapless thing is a feature a lot of people want, that makes it less credible - similar to a rumor about it shipping with an Earthbound game or Kid Icarus (though of course not as extreme as those would be). The blog also mentioned that both screens would be bigger and higher resolution - but most people seem to have decided (reluctantly) that the device will have a small screen and a large one, as was seen on the early dev kit.
And it would mess up backwards compatibility with both DS and DSi, since many DS games are designed around that gap - games that use both screens often treat the gap as part of the game world that you just can't see. Making it a little smaller, I could see Nintendo doing that. Making it "negligible", though? Nope.
Especially with the DSi camera being in the center of that gap, and games being designed for what it sees to be perfectly centered. How's Wario Ware Snapped going to work if the camera isn't centered on your face?
And it would mess up backwards compatibility with both DS and DSi, since many DS games are designed around that gap - games that use both screens often treat the gap as part of the game world that you just can't see. Making it a little smaller, I could see Nintendo doing that. Making it "negligible", though? Nope.
Especially with the DSi camera being in the center of that gap, and games being designed for what it sees to be perfectly centered. How's Wario Ware Snapped going to work if the camera isn't centered on your face?
EatChildren
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Polari said:
I mean relative to the button placement. They wont have two screens above the buttons.
Kilrogg said:
Nintendo is about EVERYTHING. It´s a common mistake of people here on Neogaf that try to put Nintendo into some kind of specific spot, when there really isn´t. There is no "THAT" audience that Nintendo is appealing to, as well as there´s not THE kind of software Nintendo provides, even if games are their main focous.
I really think people have to realize the most important thing considering the 3DS´s feature palette: Nintendo is going after our everyday life. They want their hardware to be something we carry with us for the whole day and spend as much of our free time with it. That´s a fact that Iwata and Reggie both told us numerous times.
Also fact of the matter is that a games-only device in this day and age can NOT be such an everyday life-device. People might carry it around, but there´s more than gaming to most people. And when it comes down to it, people might choose their multimedia-mobile phone over their gaming-handheld, because said phone will have movie- and music-playback as well as games...games of a quality that a lot of the people that Nintendo decided to go after are satisfied with.
So that´s what you have to think of when trying to figure out the 3DS. I don´t know if 3D-movies are compatible with the kind of 3D the 3DS uses, but movie- and music-playback should be a lock. Add a more smooth and comfortable internet-browser as well as an "app-store" for non-gaming-software like...whatever people use on their iPhone, and you have it.
Dreamwriter
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Just look at the DSi to see that Nintendo isn't all about only gaming anymore. They have calculator apps you can buy! Multiple ones!
EmCeeGramr
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NintendoGal
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Dreamwriter said:
Don't forget the guitar tuner and metronome!
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