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Nintendo DS Games in HD
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7DollarHagane
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Those ocarina and major screens look great. They could put those games on wiiu for $20 and they would look fine at 720p.
MetalKnick
Member
They have implemented it! Check out the thread on desmume's forum!
That looks like the same type of filtering that some SNES and NES emulators use (Super Eagle or something), which always looks terrible.
However, it seems that will be the only type of filtering that will be used for a very long while due to the way the emulator is written; so something like bicubic is still out of reach.
MetalKnick
Member
Pokemon B/W/2 get the same treatment in high resolution. The sprites rotate beautifully.
I can't run it on my current computer so I can't capture footage, but battles look really nice in high resolution.
I can't run it on my current computer so I can't capture footage, but battles look really nice in high resolution.
Novum_Veritas
Member
While playing Metal Max 2: ReLoaded, I was pleasantly surprised to find that bumping up the resolution does wonders for sprite rotation in games. Ted Broiler is looking hella fine at 2x resolution.
Give me a localized Metal Max game please.
Woahhh that is actually a pretty huge improvement. That makes a lot of sense. Super cool!
Holy shit
KatamariOnTheRocks
Member
Is this able to upscale beyond the initial limit it used to have?
I appreciate all the hard work that goes into development, I'm just wondering what the situation is in that regard
I appreciate all the hard work that goes into development, I'm just wondering what the situation is in that regard
I'm not sure what the initial limit was since I've just started working with it, but my year old build can upscale to at least x4 (1024x768), I really can't imagine anyone using more than that though (x2 is my limit).
KatamariOnTheRocks
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I believe that's the one I was thinking of. I was hoping for up to 4K, but I have no idea what kind of work that would take to implement so I don't want to seem ungrateful for the work that people are putting into it.
dreampeppers99
Member
just wowww
Why would you do that?
Member
While playing Metal Max 2: ReLoaded, I was pleasantly surprised to find that bumping up the resolution does wonders for sprite rotation in games. Ted Broiler is looking hella fine at 2x resolution.
Give me a localized Metal Max game please.
Oh... It looks like when the sprites rotate, their pixels stay in the pixel grid of the sprite, which makes it look very nice, IMO.
I kind of have the feeling that this is not true for every game, though. All the graphics a game draws with the DS's 3D GPU is rendered in high resolution using this emulator. However, very likely nothing drawn on the background layers and sprite layers are rendered in a higher resolution. This specific game probably draws the sprites on the sprite layer as opposed to rendering them on the 3D layer with the 3D GPU, and as such, the rotation's resolution remains low, i.e. in line with the sprite's pixel grid.
Contrast to Pokémon, where the 2D sprites and the Pokémon in battles are very likely rendered on the 3D layer, and therefore the rotation and animation of the Pokémon and other things in this emulator won't look so pixel perfect.
Why would you do that?
Member
Oh, wait, no, I'm just stupid, lol. The second "after" image didn't load for me so I was just looking at the first "before" image. For some reason I assumed the backgrounds were high res and the sprites were not, and I based my entire post off of that.
chrominance
Member
Dunno if this is the right place, but I'm breaking down and asking: if I only have a 3DS, is there any way to dump my DS carts for use in DS emulators? I've done a bunch of Google searches and I know there are methods to dump DS games if you own a DS and a flashcart, but I can't seem to find much info on whether these methods also work with a 3DS, and strangely there's next to no interest in using flashcarts to dump games to PC, as opposed to using flashcarts to play games. Nearly every place I find that asks about the 3DS specifically to dump DS games ends with "why not just download a ROM."
It's weird because there are tons of resources on how to dump PSP UMDs, and it was pretty quick to get my entire UMD collection into PPSSPP.
It's weird because there are tons of resources on how to dump PSP UMDs, and it was pretty quick to get my entire UMD collection into PPSSPP.
Candescence
Member
I decided to grab some more Dragon Ball Kai: Ultimate Butoden comparisons, this time, from the character select screen
If nothing else, it reveals how good the character models and textures were for a system like this. Granted, the only other Dragon Ball game with 3D character models on an equivalent system was the awful GT: Final Bout, but this puts that game to absolute shame.
I'm also curious, especially if you're able to use 3D from HDTV for 3DS games...
Triforce141
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The DS games on Wii U VC are still rendered in the native 256x192.
While playing Metal Max 2: ReLoaded, I was pleasantly surprised to find that bumping up the resolution does wonders for sprite rotation in games. Ted Broiler is looking hella fine at 2x resolution.
Give me a localized Metal Max game please.
Ragnarok DS is similarly improved.The game is using a lot of the MMO's sprites, but since the DS is so low res they looked pretty bad unless you zoomed in.
Opinionatedfish
Member
That Majora's Mask screenshot a page or so back.
I felt legitimately dizzy. So gooood.
Now I need to see Starfox 64 3D, Dead Or Alive Dimensions, and Shin Megami Tensei IV.
I felt legitimately dizzy. So gooood.
Now I need to see Starfox 64 3D, Dead Or Alive Dimensions, and Shin Megami Tensei IV.
-shadow-
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Because Nintendo doesn't even seem to be able to emulate the DS properly or can't be bothered rendering at 2*.
It would be great if they did 5* resolution (960p) would be great for DS games. But that's all just a fever dream.
DeuceGamer
Member
I'd love to see Kid Icarus Uprising.
The DS games look amazing. Would be nice if future VC releases offered similar improvements.
Well, if SMT IV Apocalypse never arrives to Europe, we will have the chance to play somehow.
It has to be amazing in HD, and using a proper controller... OMG!
It has to be amazing in HD, and using a proper controller... OMG!
Toadthemushroom
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Majora's Mask and Mario 3D World both scale up beautifully with their timeless character model and texture designs (and really well implemented lighting given the complexities of the scenes at hand).
New Super Mario Bros. 2 is an example of when more resolution isn't better - all you get is a horribly upscaled 240p image of 2D assets with a comically out of place high res Mario model - a model which looked better in 240p when it was consistent with the background elements.
This. A lot of the time games targeting modest hardware are designed for its limitations, so in the case of DS games the 3D has been made to look great at 192p.
The games which have higher quality assets look great when upscaled, but otherwise I higher resolution often exposes low poly character models and textures designed to be pin-sharp at 192p. Both of which are compounded when you consider the flat lighting in many a DS game.
As mentioned there are games which do include assets that sing at higher resolutions. In that case a higher resolution can bring out extra detail, but again it depends on whether the end image looks consistent or not. I think a lot of later Wii games made a good fit for this though.
I'd even argue that with 2D content, pixel doubling isn't always a good thing either, since it accentuates each pixel. With 1:1 pixel mapping the gaps between pixels help smooth out pixel art, whereas with pixel doubling, 4 much smaller pixels are making up one individual pixel, so there's no gap between pixels. This is why pixel doubled content (e.g. play a PSP game on Vita) often looks lower res than the original even though it theoretically should look the same.
New Super Mario Bros. 2 is an example of when more resolution isn't better - all you get is a horribly upscaled 240p image of 2D assets with a comically out of place high res Mario model - a model which looked better in 240p when it was consistent with the background elements.
This. A lot of the time games targeting modest hardware are designed for its limitations, so in the case of DS games the 3D has been made to look great at 192p.
The games which have higher quality assets look great when upscaled, but otherwise I higher resolution often exposes low poly character models and textures designed to be pin-sharp at 192p. Both of which are compounded when you consider the flat lighting in many a DS game.
As mentioned there are games which do include assets that sing at higher resolutions. In that case a higher resolution can bring out extra detail, but again it depends on whether the end image looks consistent or not. I think a lot of later Wii games made a good fit for this though.
I'd even argue that with 2D content, pixel doubling isn't always a good thing either, since it accentuates each pixel. With 1:1 pixel mapping the gaps between pixels help smooth out pixel art, whereas with pixel doubling, 4 much smaller pixels are making up one individual pixel, so there's no gap between pixels. This is why pixel doubled content (e.g. play a PSP game on Vita) often looks lower res than the original even though it theoretically should look the same.
dreampeppers99
Member
I'd see to see Mario Kart DS in action.
Final Fantasy: The Four Heroes of Light
This game was made to look good at it's native resolution, so you don't gain too much from increasing it, but it really hammers home just how beautiful Four Heroes of Light is.
I think increasing the res gains a LOT. Viewing it at 50% size shows that the style fits at the original tiny res, but the upressed version still looks really clean and lush.
I'm the only one keeping this thread alive these days it seems. Here's one of my new favourite bosses, Ragin' Contagion, that I grabbed from Dragon Quest IX's Debug Menu. Stupidly, I forgot to turn Edge Marking on, so they don't have the outlines you'd normally see in-game. Just the plain old models.
forknknife
Banned
This is fucking magic. And I'm not buying any under-spec'd console from Nintendo ever again, specially when it comes to screen resolution. This is the way that at least the 3DS games should have looked like.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
Speaking of, how is Four Heroes of Light? I've been meaning to pick it up for ages; looks a bit like a proto-Bravely Default.
Grabbed my favourite legacy boss, Psaro. This time with edge marking turned on.
The emulator is fully playable, there's no bugs that I've run into yet, although you can cause graphical glitches by fiddling with the 3D settings (turning off fog, edge marking, etc).
Yeah, it's basically a prototype for Bravely Default. There's a few things that are kind of weird like earning money and the difficulty at the start of the game (I got killed the first time I went out on the field). Those are for another thread though.
The emulator is fully playable, there's no bugs that I've run into yet, although you can cause graphical glitches by fiddling with the 3D settings (turning off fog, edge marking, etc).
Yeah, it's basically a prototype for Bravely Default. There's a few things that are kind of weird like earning money and the difficulty at the start of the game (I got killed the first time I went out on the field). Those are for another thread though.
It is appreciated.
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
indeed
Scirm_Layton
Member
Is emulator the only thing I need to upscale DS/3DS games?
I love this thread! Would be awesome to add something here, from time to time.
I love this thread! Would be awesome to add something here, from time to time.