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Nioh Thread: Defy Death
- Thread starter Kudo
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It's out on aussie store.
I just want to know if the poster I responded to has played the game because he said it's way too easy for him now.
When i meant lack of confidence i meant they are relying input from players too much instead of using their own vision. But it doesn't seem like the case with Nioh.
Seriously? This is why focus testing/fan feedback sucks.
Bloodporne
Member
Yeah but he's discovered since that there is a high stance Ki pulse dodge and some other stuff. I haven't played it myself but watching Gwyn's stream.
Then it might as well be gone based on the first demo. Mid and low stance were easily able to take out everything in the first demo it just took longer.
Correct. You needed to at least beat the first stage in the alpha demo to get bonuses.
GwyndolinCinder
Member
Getting used to changes, way less rewarding for high skill.
Full heavy concept ki burst doesn't speed combat up, game is just slow now, feels like infinity blade.
Full heavy concept ki burst doesn't speed combat up, game is just slow now, feels like infinity blade.
I'm actually surprised at how many people use low stance since you're basically hitting your enemies with a wet noodle in that stance.
What do you mean by this? Did they slow down the animation speed?
Bloodporne
Member
That's...lovely. Based on what I'm seeing in the stream, the slow-down due to these changes brings this much closer to a Souls playstyle than character action and that's a crying shame. I'll reserve full judgement until I play it, but what I'm watching doesn't look nearly as quick and sneaky as the Alpha.
The Alpha was my GOTY so far without exaggeration so this is pretty depressing but saw it coming a mile away after the massive fan feedback changes.
Hentailover
Member
As somebody of a low skill level, this is unlikely to affect me personally, but still shame to hear.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Fucking souls people. Urgh.
Hentailover
Member
Hey, fuck off. I am a souls person and these changes sound bad to me >_>
Just realized "fuck off" doesn't have anything to show that's it's half joking, nto actually confrontational. We need more emoticons XD
Bloodporne
Member
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Then you shouldn't take my comment personally.
This is just shit. I was soooooooo looking forward to this game, a game I wasn't even all that good at. I was day 1 digital for sure.
Based on what I'm reading here, I dunno if I'll even bother. I have no interest in dark souls: japan.
Don't lump all of us in together. Hell, I was one of the weirdos that wanted durability to stay in!
GwyndolinCinder
Member
Ok if you get knocked over in red stamina, you lose breath!
Bloodporne
Member
What a goofy change, don't get what that is supposed to do...just to allocate an animation that got axed what?
Wasn't it like this before too, if you get attacked in red stamina you lose breath since attacks damage stamina too, less of a change and more of something they kept from the previous version.
Mister Wolf
Member
Blood Reign: Curse Of The Yoma + Dark Souls = NIoh. I cant wait for this to come out as I wont be playing Dark Souls 3 until they release all of the DLC.
Hentailover
Member
Didn't they say that if you have thignies from first alpha, you get to keep yoru weapons?
Kudo
Member
I think they said you get the weapons the Conqueror DLC gives you, not keep your original gear.
Could be wrong though.
Bloodporne
Member
Yeah I might've bitched too early, I don't remember? Either way I guess it confirms it's not really in for high stance either just if those conditions are met?
Souls fans are entirely to blame for this and it's pretty miserable. If there's a worse fanbase, I haven't seen it.
Well, when half the people in the Alpha demo thread trashed the game for not playing exactly like Souls...
Given that they've scrapped entire gameplay systems solely because of feedback I'm convinced this is the case, yeah. What a disaster.
Well, when half the people in the Alpha demo thread trashed the game for not playing exactly like Souls...
Given that they've scrapped entire gameplay systems solely because of feedback I'm convinced this is the case, yeah. What a disaster.
Hentailover
Member
It's just game recognized my stuff, but I am still butt naked with just wooden sword O_O.
False Witness
Member
There were so many Souls fans in the alpha thread who just wouldn't stop complaining because they had to adjust to a new way of doing things (which is what I thought was the reason they enjoyed Souls in the first place).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZXsBN0zjXg
This guy is livestreaming an awesome bossfight. Looks ridiculously fun. Great music + nonexistent load times + super challenging.
This guy is livestreaming an awesome bossfight. Looks ridiculously fun. Great music + nonexistent load times + super challenging.
I'm a Souls fan, played every single entry including BB and I was fine with what the Alpha was offering and gave my feedback accordingly. We aren't cut from one cloth.
Mister Wolf
Member
I really hope the final version of this game still lets you choose between 60fps or 30fps.
Hentailover
Member
Game is much easier and a lot less punishing. Actions seem to take a lot less stamina, lack of being tired also makes it less risky to do maneuvers and enemies seem to attack slower. I managed to effortlessly dispatch multiple waves of (early but whatever) enemis in day arena, while half distracted with "why no equipment" and 'why do they keep spawning, this didn't happen in the alpha"
Because everyone is the same within a single fanbase.
Serenade_King
Banned
Why are some of you guys mentioning Souls fans as a reason for the changes? Wouldn't it be more of a "Japan didn't like the game and that's why is being changed"? I remember seeing the feedback and America was really positive on the dificulty while Japan was a lot less pleased during the Alpha.
I think when it's released and is even worse and even easier than this new Beta demo, Nioh will serve as a warning to other devs not to listen to fan feedback to such an extent.
A lot of the specific changes are done to make it play (if only superficially) more like Dark Souls.
Also, you'd think that if all the marketing was focused around how hard the game is, they would have... kept it difficult... but I guess that's too much to ask.
A lot of the specific changes are done to make it play (if only superficially) more like Dark Souls.
Also, you'd think that if all the marketing was focused around how hard the game is, they would have... kept it difficult... but I guess that's too much to ask.
Jimmyfenix
Member
okay do we know what causes out of breath now ? i was on low stance and was hit , no stamina and went into no breath animation
And I am sure it still will be for most of us.
Read the interview on Siliconera with the game's director. They've already stated that they have a very clear goal with Nioh, and aren't taking suggestions that would hurt their ultimate goal with the game. From the few people who've played the E3 2016 demo and the Beta we've heard the difficulty is still there.
These changes seem more like quality of life adjustments more than anything else. Moving the Ki Pulse to high stance will definitely change the flow of things, just like how durability's omission will.
Jimmyfenix
Member
yeah i don't have issues with the changes at all. seems overblown
Hentailover
Member
As somebody who sucks at video games, there's still a notable decrease of tension. Mainly because of how easy it is to maneuver now, when you don't need to worry about stamina as much. I just dash around like a crazy person and there doesn't appear to be much punishment. Enemies also appear to track you less and in general, I feel way more confident just running into somebody and dashing behind them, when before, I'd carefully kite around even a single enemy of note, as I could be in danger easily even in 1v1 situations.
Defy Death (because it's basically impossible to die)
And all the feedback is -still- going to claim that the game is too hard, just watch.
And all the feedback is -still- going to claim that the game is too hard, just watch.
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