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No Mans Sky and Starfield Starfield Starfield comparison
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ToadMan
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It’s hilarious to me people want to make this a console war. And even rationalise multi-platform publications as console warring too lol.
It’s 2 PC games being compared, not to mention 2 games both available on Xbox consoles …
Comparisons like this happen all the time on PC in all genres, and Xbox is a PC brand - if you don’t believe that, note MS’s showcase had more PC game segments than console ones.
While MS has moved on from closed console ecosystems, some xbox console owners are stuck in the past it seems.
Sorry dudes, the cozy days of bashing the competing home consoles on genre vs genre exclusives are gone. You’re sailing on the PC ocean and there’s a lot more competition there.
If it wasn’t NMS it’d be Elite or star citizen or X or mass effect or any number of other space games available on PC all of which have already trodden the path Starfield is taking.
It’s 2 PC games being compared, not to mention 2 games both available on Xbox consoles …
Comparisons like this happen all the time on PC in all genres, and Xbox is a PC brand - if you don’t believe that, note MS’s showcase had more PC game segments than console ones.
While MS has moved on from closed console ecosystems, some xbox console owners are stuck in the past it seems.
Sorry dudes, the cozy days of bashing the competing home consoles on genre vs genre exclusives are gone. You’re sailing on the PC ocean and there’s a lot more competition there.
If it wasn’t NMS it’d be Elite or star citizen or X or mass effect or any number of other space games available on PC all of which have already trodden the path Starfield is taking.
CeeJay
Member
Your unpatched day one release CD for PC. Of course that is going to be as glitchy as the day it was pressed if you want to look at it in a vacuum where you don't install any patches or play any of the subsequent releases of the game on other platforms. But, even on day one it would have been a stretch to call the game broken. It was still serviceable all be it with some funny glitches that didn't really spoil the game in any meaningful way for 95% of players. Skyrim won loads of GOTY awards, sold tons of units, is in many many peoples top 10 GOATs and with the recent Anniversary edition is still been enjoyed and played extensively today. The game is comfortably in the current top 50 played games on Xbox ahead of popular games like PUBG, DAYZ and FH4. Is this not all proof in itself? Surely a truly broken game wouldn't be so beloved.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
If you can’t see why the similarities are being made, your head is in Uranus.
VinnyMac
Member
There's comparisons for a reason just because you guys 'want' Starfeild to be unique and one of kind does not change the fact that it isn't. there is similarities like it or not and there is a lot of them. Will sf be more detailed and a better game? Absolutely but to say they didn't take inspiration from nms is ludicrous I know Bethesda is regarded as "superior' but even the best devs copy 
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SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I was disappointed they were still shooting bullets. It was like space CoD.
Where’s the blasters??
lughnasadh123
Member
My first impression was absolutely being akin to something like NMS which surprises me someone would find insult in that considering the massive turn around they did with the game garnering a shit ton of good will. It's not a bad thing to be compared to in a relatively short first impression of a new game. Hopefully over time we'll get a better understand of what the game is actually shaping up to be with new videos and information.
stickkidsam
Member
I’m not sure a game with over 1000 planets can also capitalize on the hand crafted side quests and story telling that Bethesda is known for. I don’t think the gameplay will make up for it either.
Games like Minecraft or Hades succeed because the games are built around procedural generation. The former is a playground for the players creativity and the latter just gives the player endless dungeons to blast through. What’s the point of exploring entire planets that will have fuck all on them to discover? The game isn’t multiplayer so you can’t share the cities you build with friends. I just don’t know what the gameplay hook is here.
I’ll be impressed if they can pull it off but I’m skeptical.
Edit: dammit why don’t I ever proofread?
Games like Minecraft or Hades succeed because the games are built around procedural generation. The former is a playground for the players creativity and the latter just gives the player endless dungeons to blast through. What’s the point of exploring entire planets that will have fuck all on them to discover? The game isn’t multiplayer so you can’t share the cities you build with friends. I just don’t know what the gameplay hook is here.
I’ll be impressed if they can pull it off but I’m skeptical.
Edit: dammit why don’t I ever proofread?
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Husky
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Mods please change it back, I liked the duplicate
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Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Well let's just start with 1 game not being out for months and the other having been out since 2016 with continuous free expansions over that near 6 year period.
Honestly, the only point of comparison is overhype vs disappointment. And as noted that's not fair considering Starfield isn't out til next year so the prevalence/extent of that reaction is pretty much unknown.
And seriously, the reaction to the reveal was somewhat mixed. Its inarguable, although it should reflect on its launch state/reviews.
Honestly, the only point of comparison is overhype vs disappointment. And as noted that's not fair considering Starfield isn't out til next year so the prevalence/extent of that reaction is pretty much unknown.
And seriously, the reaction to the reveal was somewhat mixed. Its inarguable, although it should reflect on its launch state/reviews.
mortal
Gold Member
Why are some people so bothered, or even taking offense, with the No Man's Sky comparisons?
It's reasonable to draw comparisons upon seeing both titles side by side, even if it doesn't go much beyond similarities in a basic premise and some gameplay mechanics.
Obviously, these titles will end up being different experiences once you dive into them, so they're not the same exact game, detail for detail.
However, the argument that there are no comparisons to be made is also pretty ridiculous.
Can some people really not fathom Bethesda admiring what Hello Games accomplished in No Man's Sky, and are drawing some of that as inspiration for Starfield?
Game developers don't exist within vacuums. It's certainly plausible, if not probable and there's nothing wrong with that imo.
It's reasonable to draw comparisons upon seeing both titles side by side, even if it doesn't go much beyond similarities in a basic premise and some gameplay mechanics.
Obviously, these titles will end up being different experiences once you dive into them, so they're not the same exact game, detail for detail.
However, the argument that there are no comparisons to be made is also pretty ridiculous.
Can some people really not fathom Bethesda admiring what Hello Games accomplished in No Man's Sky, and are drawing some of that as inspiration for Starfield?
Game developers don't exist within vacuums. It's certainly plausible, if not probable and there's nothing wrong with that imo.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
None of the games listed are open world RPGs. That's what makes Starfield unique.
StormCell
Member
Anyone who has ever played No Man's Sky has wished, even yearned, for some semblance of an actual living breathing RPG-like universe in the game.
When I saw the Starfield trailer, my first thought was, "HEY! This is going to be like No Man's Sky except... OMG, it's No Man's Sky sandbox RPG!!! I've been wanting this for years!! Bethesda gets it! I can't wait!!"
In video game development, a bit of plagiarism is a sincere form of flattery. It's evidence that No Man's Sky gets some things right, which it really does! The problems with No Man's Sky are rooted in the engine that makes the game possible: procedurally generated content evokes a feeling of randomness to that which begs for meaning. As humans, we are not accustomed to living completely separate from a society, which makes No Man's Sky's space stations, freighters, and trading hubs are very welcomed sight, but the planets are still about as meaningless as they ever were -- at least they were as of the last time I played.
When you play a Bethesda RPG, you know that everywhere you go, a designer has been there and had some thought about it and maybe even some intent. Not everything is elaborate, but when you come upon a glade in the woods you know to suspect that you're not the first to have stepped there and it's likely that there's just more there than meets the eye, which boosts the mystique of what you are seeing and hearing.
Games like No Man's Sky and Minecraft have always lacked this, which makes Starfield's borrowing of these concepts a whole new thing with the RPG elements.
When I saw the Starfield trailer, my first thought was, "HEY! This is going to be like No Man's Sky except... OMG, it's No Man's Sky sandbox RPG!!! I've been wanting this for years!! Bethesda gets it! I can't wait!!"
In video game development, a bit of plagiarism is a sincere form of flattery. It's evidence that No Man's Sky gets some things right, which it really does! The problems with No Man's Sky are rooted in the engine that makes the game possible: procedurally generated content evokes a feeling of randomness to that which begs for meaning. As humans, we are not accustomed to living completely separate from a society, which makes No Man's Sky's space stations, freighters, and trading hubs are very welcomed sight, but the planets are still about as meaningless as they ever were -- at least they were as of the last time I played.
When you play a Bethesda RPG, you know that everywhere you go, a designer has been there and had some thought about it and maybe even some intent. Not everything is elaborate, but when you come upon a glade in the woods you know to suspect that you're not the first to have stepped there and it's likely that there's just more there than meets the eye, which boosts the mystique of what you are seeing and hearing.
Games like No Man's Sky and Minecraft have always lacked this, which makes Starfield's borrowing of these concepts a whole new thing with the RPG elements.
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Fredrik
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To me it looks like Fallout/The Outer Worlds/Mass Effect AND No Man’s Sky.
Some clearly think that’s a bad combo but for me it’s awesome. NMS is among my most played games, Mass Effect is my favorite gaming trilogy, TOW was on my GOTY list. Fallout is the only IP I’m not really into, too dark and gloomy.
MiguelItUp
Member
Honestly the similarities and comparisons to No Man's Sky and even Star Citizen are pretty damn obvious. But we'll have to see how the final result comes together. I'm sure people may prefer it over other similar titles and vice versa, but that's just how these things go.
MastaKiiLA
Member
There are some people who apparently lose their shit when you state this. Apparently, you can't even compare the scale of the 2 games, because apparently that's sacrilege. Not everyone is trying to bash the game, but it's made some people crazy defensive.
MiguelItUp
Member
I believe it, some people give oddly super passionate about things. But man, as an observation across all three games, you can't deny it, lmao. Since Starfield isn't out yet, only so many things can truly be said about it, and that's everything we know. But as an observation, there is plenty there to see the comparisons. Is that a bad thing? No. It's just an obvious thing IMO, lol. I'm definitely not bashing it saying all that. I'm sure a lot of people are in the same boat.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Because some were putting this on a second coming of Jesus pedestal before any info, that shalt not be compared. So they see it as a negative, when games borrow interesting and effective ideas all the time from one another.
This.
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iHaunter
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With 1,000 planets though? Hmm I don't see it. We'll see though. Still a super early look.
CosmicComet
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From the bits they showed there are clear NMS elements but I don't see that as a pejorative.
NMS is now awesome.
It won't have the breadth of NMS but it will surely have more depth from the perspective of being a more handcrafted, narrative RPG.
Whereas NMS is more of a sandbox ala Minecraft (but not shit like Minecraft).
NMS is now awesome.
It won't have the breadth of NMS but it will surely have more depth from the perspective of being a more handcrafted, narrative RPG.
Whereas NMS is more of a sandbox ala Minecraft (but not shit like Minecraft).
ToTTenTranz
Banned
Exactly this.
Bethesda is making an interplanetary exploration RPG, so they'd be foolish not to take a page from the game that is pretty much the state of the art on interplanetary exploration.
A truly bad sign was if they were taking a page from Star Citizen, and started selling ridiculously expensive spaceship jpegs just to continuously usurp money from whales and never actually launch a game ever again.
Silent Viper
Banned
Thank you quick fix
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
It's worth comparing enough to see that they're not even doing what a small indie dev pulled off . . . Not being able to fly and land anywhere on a planet in 2023 sounds pretty ridiculous to me.
I don't like a silent protagonist either. It's not hard to hire a male and female voice actor to read out all the dialogue options. I'd expect that from a AAA big dev with a big budget . . .
I don't like a silent protagonist either. It's not hard to hire a male and female voice actor to read out all the dialogue options. I'd expect that from a AAA big dev with a big budget . . .
Captain Toad
Banned
That comparison isn't fair.
For No Man's Sky.
For No Man's Sky.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Hahaha sure it is.
They are negative in tone or just out right. It's not the comparison but all are in a negative manner from a few and it's on you if you can't see that.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The negatives ones, sure, criticism happens as well.
I’ve seen people being jumped on for just general comparisons. We all know there are those that bend the knee at the altar of Todd Howard, this has been a long running meme for 3-4 gens now… they even are so kind to fix the bugs for them.
But I digress. Comparisons are going to be made with NMS and SC about certain gameplay systems, it be what it be.
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Werewolfgrandma
Banned
C'mon you know half of them are just being a shit. It's like stop pretending already.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
No shit, happens with both sides. Stop pretending with that already. Ignore them, and engage with the constructive ones.
Ghost of Caelid
Banned
IDEC about the comparison...if I get no mans sky style exploration with skyrim style world building and oblivion/fo3 style quest? Elden ring my favorite game ever but that might give it a run for its money. Now people are trying to use no mans sky as a slight because they making it seem like the rpg elements are completely gone.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Hahaha need to be fucking Batman to find any of those in most threads
killatopak
Member
Starfield Starfield Starfield
So this is what Todd meant by procedural generation.
So this is what Todd meant by procedural generation.
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Alphagear
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Currently Starfield looks like No Mans Sky, Quacks like No Mans Sky and Walks like No Mans Sky.
Where did you see Fallout in the game?
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dcmk7
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anothertech
Member
It's ok to be critical. It's also ok to be super hopeful and positive.
Since none of us have played through it everything is bullshit at this point. Opinions based on the cover of a book.
Even the guys doing deep dive vids don't know what half the stats do or how the majority of quests and content will work.
The real thing is a year away. Long time to wait and see if it's actually goty material
Since none of us have played through it everything is bullshit at this point. Opinions based on the cover of a book.
Even the guys doing deep dive vids don't know what half the stats do or how the majority of quests and content will work.
The real thing is a year away. Long time to wait and see if it's actually goty material
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
dcmk7
Banned
Rather ironically you have been banned for trolling Sony threads in past. It's ok to troll those but a comparison already made by media outlets is too far? C'mon.
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Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Haha that's not trolling and I'm still waiting.
Edit.
I've been banned because babies react poorly. It's less about what I've said and more about how many kids have fits about it.
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Fredrik
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To be fair, it’s worth stating that the ”small indie dev” is doing more than any other dev, no matter the size. That’s really how it is now.
Let’s list some things you can do in NMS:
Mining
Crafting
Building bases on surface and under water
Build your freighter, kinda
Explore a gazillion planets
Visit space stations
Learn alien languages
Explore ruins
Fill up you alienplantipedia
Breeding
Ride a mount
Trading
Farming
Planetary shootouts
Space dogfights
Mercenary missions
Morph the surface
Drive multiple vehicles
Racing
Upgrade your ship/suit/weapons/vehicles
Manage ship expeditions
Manage settlements
Make music
Pirating
Take part in galactic space war
Do side quests
Do main quests
Online gaming
VR gaming
At this point it’s easier to list what it doesn’t do:
Role-playing
Upgrade your characters stats and skills
Build your own spaceship
Walk inside your ship
Explore big cities
Uhm…
Sword fighting?
Fight bosses?
Save the planet?
Idk
cragarmi
Member
Can't wait to ride Thomas the tank engine to the moon!i think the modders are really going to shine here,
There will be thousands of addons to this, very exciting.
Trogdor1123
Member
I watched the YouTube video and was really impressed. However, did the frame rate struggle or was that YouTube? Is there a 60fps mode?
dcmk7
Banned
You're not showing any maturity now tbh.
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Werewolfgrandma
Banned
There's always a 60fps mode on PC.... Also probably.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
First you are on a video game forum specifically in a comparison thread and you're expecting maturity? Hahaha. Also you just scrubbed threw my post history. Did anything there scream maturity?
dcmk7
Banned
Showcasing the double standards.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Be specific please.
i was standing in line at the grocery store checkin GAF when i saw the title change and i started laughing like an idiot in front of everyone
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