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NPR: Bernie Sanders staying in the race 'Until The Last Vote Is Cast'
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Listen man, we get no love as it is. We're the last guy in line who everyone seems to need but no one cares about because it's a done deal by the time we're next. We can't win. Show us some love lol.
GiantBreadbug
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Keep fighting the good fight! I believe in you Bernie 
Orbis Tabula
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Possibly. I imagine he would drop out if they were to offer him enough. I'm not sure speaking time would do it, but I think that he's smart enough to realize he can't win the presidency, and his primary goal is to influence the platform. It's the only explanation that makes sense, assuming he isn't dumb.
Officerrob
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Exactly my opinion. If he wants to stay in so he can better his position to influence the party platform, fine. If he wants to use bullshit attacks on the Democratic nominee that Trump will then use and cite that Sanders said, Bernie needs to go fuck himself
Bruce Springsteen
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This race is getting boring at this point, this was made very clear in the last debate which they spent 2 hours repeating the same shit they've been saying for months. I hate how long these primaries are
googleplex
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Well Bernie and his followers seem to be running with the bullshit "Money laundering" story recently. So he'll stay in, sling more baseless unsubstantiated attacks at Hillary that Trump will latch onto. He'll continue to weaken and dive the Democratic party at a time when we should be more unified then ever. Because he's just that petty and bitter.
I'm firmly in the "Fuck Bernie" camp now.
That's because it became mathematically impossible for Cruz to win, whereas that isn't the case with Bernie yet. But of course if you want to draw silly parallels to suit your favoured narrative, so be it.
Elfforkusu
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No, different elections. Primary picks dem candidate, general election picks between the dem and rep (and some irrelevants)
Glad to see Bernie stay in. His talk of winning is pretty transparent wishful thinking (to keep people engaged), I'd like to see a gradual shift towards reforming the party. Hard to do that in the midst of primary season though
he has no reason to leave, his initial goal in running was just to force hillary to the left and he's reverted to that. even if his campaign has been functionally over for months and the media has finally caught up to realizing it, every day that sanders remains in discussion is a day that she can't pivot to the right for the general, and gets pinned down to more left wing policies through sheer repetition.
Red Mage
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Unless he runs third party, which I wouldn't put past him if he's talking about taking this to the convention.
Eh, she's probably just going to ignore him as will the media. They're setting up the Trump vs Clinton cards.
I believe he gets to present his case anyway based on the % of delegates he's earned at the convention anyway and have a chance to make it part of the GE platform. If the DNC throws him a bone it'd be on their terms, not his. I doubt he'd stomach that from the interviews. IIRC it was 25% support he needs in order to make a minority report.
That's all he's aiming for now, a moral victory. The higher his representation the stronger his case on the convention floor, but it can easily be brushed away if it's small enough. At that point it's a hollow moral victory.
hydragonwarrior
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This works for Trump perfectly. Once he's done, all Trump has to do is:
-get most Repubs to fall in line to vote for him, which often happens
- attract the now sore Bernie base into the same political upheaval promises (not the same, but close)
Providing Trump with a narrow win.
Welcome to the darkest timeline!
-get most Repubs to fall in line to vote for him, which often happens
- attract the now sore Bernie base into the same political upheaval promises (not the same, but close)
Providing Trump with a narrow win.
Welcome to the darkest timeline!
Cruz still had a realistic chance at a brokered convention though.
Edit: I'm not even touching Bern's chances because I know this can't lead to a rational discussion.
NoblesseOblige
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But why? Is he trying to prove some point? Or is he just stringing his supporters along for a battle all us sane people knew he lost a long time ago.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
When it becomes more and more apparent that Trump is going to run over Hillary, Bernie will save us at the eleventh hour.
Tad Devine wants more moolah
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Yep. Trump is going to focus on Hillary quickly and paint her in the same way the democrats painted Romney early while Hillary is still fighting her own team.
AND he will use Bernie's soundbites to make his case.
Man, fuck bernie.
Well, it wasn't mathematically impossible for Cruz to win. Trump could've crashed and burned (however unlikely) in New Jersey in California, causing a contested convention, which Cruz could've won. That would not almost not have happened, but it wasn't mathematically impossible.
It's sort of the same place for Bernie. It's now mathematically impossible for Bernie to win without any more superdelegates, but there's almost no chance for the supers to switch to Bernie. Again, not entirely impossible, but highly unlikely.
Yeah, I'm starting to get the sense that no one really cares about Bernie v. Hillary anymore since Trump v. Hillary is much more interesting.
At this point, he's doing it out of spite rather than any delusions of winning
Ted Devine has to be paid. Hilary spent no money in Indiana and broke even with Bernie's 2 million dollars, at this point he is just pissing money
Trump keeps hammering the point that Hillary is being unfair to Bernie.
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 10h10 hours ago
What a great evening we had. So interesting that Sanders beat Crooked Hillary. The dysfunctional system is totally rigged against him!
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 10h10 hours ago
I would rather run against Crooked Hillary Clinton than Bernie Sanders and that will happen because the books are cooked against Bernie!
Hillary's probably not even going to give him the time if day, she'd be smart not to. Sanders is living in a bubble at this point where is "pure" revolution is still viable.
Grover Cleveland
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Bernie ain't saving shit
The DNC wouldnt let him.
They would parachute in Biden or Obama's secret twin Slarack before they let Bernie in.
Orbis Tabula
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Yeah, I mentioned that number up thread. And it definitely is in part a moral stand, I think. I think he's spent a lot of time being told he's too far left for the party and he wants to be able to say "Forty percent of the party agrees with me. Don't do enough to cater to them and its at your peril."
Still, though. He needs to chill a bit with how he attacks Hillary, and I wish he'd do more to address some of his more virulent supporters.
JHoNNy1OoO
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I'm so extremely tired of this "candidate who is strongest against Trump" crap. Sanders hasn't even been attacked by ANYONE. Bernie, there's a reason Republicans are egging you on, they want to eviscerate your ass with socialism and increased taxes ads in the general and torpedo you worse than Dukakis.
old manatee
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Good on him. I'm voting Clinton, but no one should get to be President without fighting every inch of the way.
EatinOlives
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This. If he himself changes the debate to something a lot more meaningful I don't see the harm. But if all he's doing is give Trump extra ammunition with baseless character attacks then someone please yank Bernie off the stage.
Its actually mathematically impossible for Bernie to get in via Pledged delegates now, he has to get supers to win, and they sure as hell are NOT going to switch to him over clinton with the type of lead she has. Cruz had more of a chance because of the over all party hate for trump at a contested convention level, its only now that first ballot rules might make all his ideas irrelevant after Indiana loss. Bernie at this point is looking for a moral victory, any hope he has of getting the nomination requires Hilary to have passed away or get put in jail for a murder charge (convicted charge at that) before the convention happens. Unless you think that is even remotely plausible then Bernie has literally zero chance of becoming the nominee.
Wiz
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What Trump makes up for in Independents and Never-Hillary Bernie Voters, he will lose big time in every other demographic.
But that's another discussion. I'm just wondering what Bernie's rhetoric will be going forward...keep attacking Hillary? Or just do his own thing off to the side? Or maybe even start attacking Trump more often, since he already has the Republican nomination won?
So many timelines
Obama did that and came out stronger.
Acerac
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I think it's a combination of spite, delusion, wanting to make his image look better, and the joy he gets from tricking his supporters.
And we're only on page 1!
It will be insufferable after the convention. It's the site of the modern day HillaryIs44 movement. Instead of racists we have misogynists that will actively oppose Clinton no matter the cost.
balladofwindfishes
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She's just completely ignoring him, she'll be fine
This x 1000.
Anton Sugar
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I love Samantha Bee's "What the Hell Are Superdelegates?" video.
She admittedly has a bit of a pro-Hilary bias, but does a good job of criticizing them both.
I love her "walking Che Guevara t-shirt" metaphor for Bernie.
She admittedly has a bit of a pro-Hilary bias, but does a good job of criticizing them both.
I love her "walking Che Guevara t-shirt" metaphor for Bernie.
Bernie knows he won't win. This is his grand gesture at the end of a storied career of public service, his magnum opus. He is energizing and mobilizing the progressive base of the next 4 decades, showing them how they can have a powerful and immediate impact on the political landscape, and the remarkable value of activism.
I think it's beautiful and admirable.
I think it's beautiful and admirable.
I assume he's doing it out of principle. All of his supporters should have a chance to vote for him. Afterwards he'll direct them towards Clinton in the general election.
And I support him running until the end. It's good to know (roughly) how much support his policies have in the US today.
This too. It's bigger than just this election.
And I support him running until the end. It's good to know (roughly) how much support his policies have in the US today.
This too. It's bigger than just this election.
timetokill
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Sounds good to me. Keep up the good fight, Bernie.
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