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(NYTIMES) Molly: Pure, but Not So Simple aka MDMA is now hip!
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┌ How exactly did it save your life?
MDMA, assuming it's pure MDMA and not cut with a bunch of nasty shit, is relatively harmless in small, controlled doses.
That's PCP.
Sorry, why do you hate them? If not cut with something nastier, it seems like a pretty safe drug.
Barkley's Justice
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MDMA and Ecstasy always felt like lies to me. I'm glad I had those experiences and it has its place, but after multiple uses I felt like I began to "figure the drug out". At which point it began to seem insincere. In my opinion, there is much more useful information to glean from other drugs such as psychedelics or disassociates (at just as great a risk, let me caution).
I find the point the article makes about a new generation raised on being picky about what they eat and what clothes they wear fascinating and hilarious.
I find the point the article makes about a new generation raised on being picky about what they eat and what clothes they wear fascinating and hilarious.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
That article read like a commercial for Molly.
I don't think Molly is it, but someone needs to find (or create) a safe, legal drug to replace alcohol. The statistics are beyond grim.
Not sure about that. I heard that high usage of extacy can lead to depression.
We invented the abuse of it then forgot about it because it was SO lame. Now, it has become cool again partially to mock Europeans for being so lame and late to the party in the first place.
sans_pants
avec_pénis
What the hell are you even talking about?
It can, so it is not "harmless," you're correct. It can also cause nasty side-effects with high dosages, up to and including death (death is extremely rare, though, and I'm not sure any deaths from just MDMA alone have been reported, it's almost always when used in combination with other drugs - something that nobody should ever do).
On the grand scheme of things, however, it is a lot less harmful than alcohol - and nobody seems to have a problem with that.
Can't really compare weed to E.
Also I was just wondering if other people have had bad experiences on the drug and are not saying it. When I first posted in the thread I completely forgot about my bad experience because well when I think about it my experience overall with E has been great. But when I think about it, the bad experience was kinda fucked. I guess I wouldn't recommend the use of drugs to anyone, what works for me doesn't necessarily work for others. My views are probably as liberal as they come though so imo do w.e the fuck you want. But if someone wants to demonize the drug from their own experience without telling someone not to take it, then I think thats rather interesting to hear, no?
sans_pants
avec_pénis
Its called weed and molly. Both are leagues safer than alcohol and a lot more enjoyable without the hangover
pigeon interrupted
Member
The Guardian said:
True, that or dat. People will always have vices, many of which are worse than a temporary chemically induced altered state - it should be about harm reduction: better education, decriminalization of possession, treatment for addiction - maybe even legalization trials for tax and purity reasons. And base it all on the evidence of independent research. Ha, ha.
apt
Unfortunately, political ping-pong based on private interests, populist policies and the reactions to, will always trump logical conclusions from critical reasoning based on numerous empirical studies. That goes for either side of the Atlantic.
Imho, it goes: commission study to appease one demographic/party/etc >>>> completely ignore results of study to appease another/suit agenda/etc, repeat ad infinitum.
The landscape eventually changes but requires a blood sacrifice - lots of. Same deal with religion, really. It all depends on the economic climate, invested interests and the direction of the wind on Jupiter.
For instance tobacco. Well, energy but same deal:
It's all pretty disgusting and it's the majority who always end up suffering sooner or later. Round and round we go.
Fiftyeight
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SapientWolf
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Neither one are legal though. You can't go down to the local 7-11 and pick up a six pack of Molly and a carton of weed cigarettes.
la flama blanca
Banned
lol I wanna know more about how you see life differently now
sans_pants
avec_pénis
Yes, and that's the problem. We don't need to invent a new legal drug to replace them, just legalize them outright. Make molly legal and you can forget about all the black market bullshit that comes with that legal status and you'd no longer have worry about getting a dose cut with something dangerous
Capital_Five
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I have insanely negative physical reactions to any drugs harder than alcohol (i.e. weed, MDMA, salvia) so I really dislike people encouraging others to try drugs just because its a good time for them.
And I really can't take anyone seriously who says that drugs changed their word view. I watched that joe rogan DMT documentary and you sound as crackpot as those people.
And I really can't take anyone seriously who says that drugs changed their word view. I watched that joe rogan DMT documentary and you sound as crackpot as those people.
sans_pants
avec_pénis
Don't understand it, never tried it, refuse to accept others experiences of it
You sound like a blast to hang out with
People like you are exactly my problem. "we can't be friends or have fun unless you want to do illegal drugs with me"
Fiftyeight
Neo Member
And you're doing the same thing the opposite way. Pot, meet kettle.
Choosing not to do it is one thing. Being blatantly ignorant about it is another.
sans_pants
avec_pénis
I don't care if you don't want to do drugs. Its your closed minded attitude
Manmademan
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By just about every metric, Alcohol is "harder" than weed, MDMA, etc. The only thing worse is probably heroin and crystal meth. MDMA and cannibis have no addictive properties. Alcohol withdrawal on the other hand can be fatal.
pretty much, yeah. The worst thing about MDMA is that someone might adulterate it with other substances to increase their profit margin.
I've never done any drugs, hell, I didn't even have a drop of alcohol until I was 30, and I think you are being a little close-minded. Being okay with drug use isn't about being constantly high and fucked up. You should be able to recognize that there is a positive side to exploration and experimentation. It doesn't mean you have to do it all the time. Live and let live.
Some people don't need drugs to have a good time plus this article as someone said does seem like a nice advertisement for the drugs to be used.
Manmademan
Member
exactly. Though the article says that molly is "supposed" to be the pure form- consumed as a powder and not a pill. Of course, there is literally no way to verify this for anyone actually using it, and "pure" MDMA has been around forever. there just wasn't a separate name for it.
Capital_Five
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Yeah, I specifically said in my post that I have tried it, did experience and do understand it. I had a bad reaction every time to these drugs (except weed for the first year I smoked) and thus am skeptical of promoting it to everyone. Not saying my experiences are by any means universal but it certainly didn't do anything positive for me.
I'm not trying to sound political or make some negative case here, I just don't react to alcohol in a negative way when small amounts of every other drug I have tried effected me more than other people and in a negative fashion. I'm not talking about addiction or abuse or anything else. I'm talking about the drug changing your state of mind.
The Guardian said:
Science is correct. Yet alcohol is legal, hydrocodone (!!) is the most prescribed drug in the United States at over 130 million prescriptions per year, and MDMA is Schedule I alongside heroin:
wikipedia said:
We need to assess drugs empirically. More people are dying each year in the US from prescription drug OD/synergy than from car crashes, hydrocodone is handed out like candy despite the incredible harm potential (addiction, LD50, lethal synergy with alcohol/benzos/others), marijuana is one of the most potent painkillers available and nearly entirely harmless yet still not treated as a legitimate medical option by many. Sure, but heroin in pill form, no problem.
You have "negative physical reactions" to entirely different chemicals and compounds that have nothing to do with each other? That doesn't make any biological sense whatsoever, dude.
Neither do we. That's such an illogical assumption, too. Just because you like to movies, or whatever you like to do, does that mean that you need movies to feel good? Of course it doesn't. So why the hell would we need drugs to feel good? Such incredibly broken logic, if it can even be called that.
Physically, alcohol is a really hard drug, harder than weed and salvia at least. I don't think your negative reactions are physical.
Roland Deschain
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Do it with a loved one. It'll make both of you brutally honest for a couple of hours and you won't stop talking. If everything's still good afterwards then you've got a keeper.
Manmademan
Member
Whether or not you "react" to alcohol negatively (or think you don't), by every measurable metric alcohol is extremely destructive to the body, and potentially addictive. So addictive that you cannot simply stop drinking it once that happens, it will kill you. This is not the case for cannibis or MDMA. the NYT article notes that there were a grand total of 2 deaths from MDMA between 2007 and 2010. There are none for Cannibis. Alcohol kills about 80,000 people per year just in the united states, about half of which are due to cirrhosis of the liver, alcohol poisoning, etc, and the other half are from drunk driving.
I understand you have opinions, and your reasons for them, but you are simply wrong here. Irresponsible messaging from DARE etc. have convinced a lot of people that marijuana etc are "hard" drugs for legal reasons, and alcohol is somehow safer because you can buy it anywhere. This is false, and the messaging does more harm than good.
exactly. US drug policy is entirely nonsensical, and the classification of drugs as illegal, legal, schedule I,II,III, etc is done more for political reasons than anything else. Some of the hardest, most destructive drugs out there are completely legal. Cannibis is physically harmless but can land you in prison for 10 years if you're caught with it.
I agree with you in some regards, worse than a boring old fogie that warns you about drugs is someone that comes into your life, convinces you do to a load of things that were great for them, those things end up fucking you over then they fuck off and carry on living their lives as before. To summate, Major Tom's suck.
All in all I just think it's best to simply relay personal experiences with the drug rather than harshly warning people or ranting and raving saying everyone should try it. A persons disposition before taking a drug is so integral to the observed effects of said drug.
titiklabingapat
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The only problem I have with Molly is that noone has the 'pure' stuff anymore. Most of it is either partially filled with Tina or straight up Tina.
WOO!
Molly's the best drug around IMO. Assuming you're not a complete dumbass, Molly is basically harmless and rolling is one of the funnest things ive ever done.
I limit myself to one roll a month, although it usually ends up being one every six months since it depletes your brain's serotonin, but if it weren't for that one side effect, I'd be rolling all the time.
It's the good buzz from alcohol x1000, minus the sick feeling in your stomach, bad breath and hangover.
The Power Of Snap
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Cause they are late to the party.
sans_pants
avec_pénis
BTW if you guys want to read an intelligent blog about drugs and alcohol, here's a good one
http://pointsadhsblog.wordpress.com
http://pointsadhsblog.wordpress.com
Manmademan
Member
I don't think that's even it. The article notes that Ecstasy was big in the 90s or whatever, but became less popular for various reasons. The article is about the drug making a comeback in a slightly different form with a different name, but it's still the same thing.
This is also mainstream news, which tends to be pretty late to the party and dumb things down for the 50+ audience that still gets their news this way.
frankie_baby
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so is the point of the article that drugs get cut with stuff? no shit Sherlock
also still cant believe americans call mandy molly
also still cant believe americans call mandy molly
Capital_Five
Member
This seems kind of condescending. I've met other people who can't handle other drugs but drink alcohol (even though it is worse for you). I don't think it's super unusual.
Like I said, your mileage may vary, but I had a pretty bad time with them. Maybe I just phrased it poorly, I didn't mean to imply they were all chemically the same or anything just that they weren't good times for me. I'm just relating my experience, if that doesn't make sense I don't know what to tell ya. Maybe I'm a freak of nature!
I don't know how I can say this any more clearly, I am not making an argument here. I was trying to relate my experience on a purely mental and emotional level, I will freely admit I am very ignorant when it comes to biological effects on the usage of these drugs. I am speaking only to my experience and how I perceived it. Knowing that MDMA is safer for me than alcohol is not going to make me have a better time on it.
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