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[harSon]

harSon: if you're just talking about today, and not in your agreement with Wright's preaching in general (for which I can go back through the thread and see if my impression of the tone of your agreement matches up with what you actually said), then you haven't said much of substance at all, about anything really, not just race. But I found your laughing acceptance here:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10216621&postcount=882

And your comment here:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10216711&postcount=890

Fits the bill, or at least shows you have no problem with people going down that path.

I don't agree with his choice of words, I was simply amused that he'd take that tone despite being banned before. As for the second statement, I was trying to get across that you seem to conveniently lack knowledge when not in your favor.

 

[James Power]

Just ask Mr. Power to go around asking his Jewish friends where they'd be without the Holocaust to see these kinds of reactions aren't resigned to black America. As for the little bit of losing, is it of the "18-1" variety? ;-)

Oh yes, the Jews, that's what was missing here. Once a Jew in Germany bluntly stated that without the Holocaust Isreal in its current form wouldn't exist. People nodded their heads and moved on (eating sausages I guess). I don't think I need to mention that these are two not very comparable issues, though.

 

[AmishNazi]

Oh yes, the Jews, that's what was missing here. Once a Jew in Germany bluntly stated that without the Holocaust Isreal in its current form wouldn't exist. People nodded their heads and moved on (eating sausages I guess). I don't think I need to mention that these are two not very comparable issues, though.

Then feel free to ask an Indian where their casinos would be with out the trail of tears.

 

[APF]

I was trying to get across that you seem to conveniently lack knowledge when not in your favor.

That statement makes no sense, either in context or in general. Example?


edit: wait, I see what you're trying to say. Your point is that you feel he wasn't saying something to be a race-baiting ass, he was saying it just as a historical reference, and my not seeing that connection was convenient to me seeing his post as race-baiting. Perhaps, but appropriating historical references does not mitigate the content of the post itself.

 

[harSon]

Oh yes, the Jews, that's what was missing here. Once a Jew in Germany bluntly stated that without the Holocaust Isreal in its current form wouldn't exist. People nodded their heads and moved on (eating sausages I guess). I don't think I need to mention that these are two not very comparable issues, though.

I always found the ranking of monstrous acts to be extremely ignorant.

That statement makes no sense, either in context or in general. Example?

James Power?

 

[bob_arctor]

Oh yes, the Jews, that's what was missing here. Once a Jew in Germany bluntly stated that without the Holocaust Isreal in its current form wouldn't exist. People nodded their heads and moved on (eating sausages I guess). I don't think I need to mention that these are two not very comparable issues, though.

Oh, now you're just being conveniently dense. But thank you for ceding my point.

 

[James Power]

Then feel free to ask an Indian where their casinos would be with out the trail of tears.

I could ask a Native American instead. He'd probably say: If the Native American cultures hadn't been destroyed by white European settlers one would assume the state of any existing casino's of ours would depend on our sovereign gambling laws.

 

[APF]

harSon: not a good example, as I've already pointed out in previous posts. (perhaps you conveniently lack knowledge of those posts?)

 

[thekad]

Oh yes, the Jews, that's what was missing here. Once a Jew in Germany bluntly stated that without the Holocaust Isreal in its current form wouldn't exist. People nodded their heads and moved on (eating sausages I guess). I don't think I need to mention that these are two not very comparable issues, though.

Where would we be without Hitler? :lol Hey APF, instead of arguing with harson about comments he made in the past, why don't you attack these disgusting comments by Power.

 

[AmishNazi]

I could ask a Native American instead. He'd probably say: If the Native American cultures hadn't been destroyed by white European settlers one would assume the state of any existing casino's of ours would depend on our sovereign gambling laws.

Destroyed their culture? We ethnically cleansed them. Are you from America or not because you never answered that question earlier in the thread.

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

Well that about wraps it up for Obama!

Did you fail to see Obama rally in Indiana just now? My faith in America has been vindicated.

 

[harSon]

harSon: not a good example, as I've already pointed out in previous posts. (perhaps you conveniently lack knowledge of those posts?)

It's a prime example, you conveniently lacked analytical skills when interpreting his post.

 

[APF]

Where would we be without Hitler? :lol Hey APF, instead of arguing with harson about comments he made in the past, why don't you attack these disgusting comments by Power.

As I said the last time you asked that question, I already have. While we're playing this game, why not attack the disgusting comments Obama supporters have made in this thread?


harSon: I don't see how you could possibly say that, unless you conveniently dropped your reading comprehension abilities while interpreting the post where I denounced those comments (jeez, I can't believe Obama supporters in this thread of all places are attacking me for not denouncing people hard enough!)

 

[NWO]

Obama was never going to be her VP. If she gets the nomination, even before this came out, it would've hurt the party too much to even attempt.

Seems some people thought it was a good idea. :lol

 

[James Power]

Destroyed their culture?

No, "destroyed the Native American cultures." And that's not the point by the way. The point is answering hypothetical questions that were declared taboo a couple of posts above and what we can learn from them.

This guy pronounced how he would be a slave. I asked him where he would be now without slavery (the real one, not his imaginary). He didn't answer this question, only squirm, squirm, squirm. Basically all I wanted to see from his answer is the way he thinks and he all but confirmed what everyone could see from his previous answers anyway.

 

[thekad]

As I said the last time you asked that question, I already have. While we're playing this game, why not attack the disgusting comments Obama supporters have made in this thread?

Yet you're still attacking harson while leaving James Power to continue to make disgusting comments. I expect you to diffuse equal amounts of feigned indignation to the both of them. I myself am a despicable Obama supporter and a damned racist; what's your excuse?

 

[ralexand]

Did you fail to see Obama rally in Indiana just now? My faith in America has been vindicated.

Mine too. America needs that man for president.

 

[APF]

thekad: I see no need to acknowledge your disingenuous post.

 

[harSon]

As I said the last time you asked that question, I already have. While we're playing this game, why not attack the disgusting comments Obama supporters have made in this thread?


harSon: I don't see how you could possibly say that, unless you conveniently dropped your reading comprehension abilities while interpreting the post where I denounced those comments (jeez, I can't believe Obama supporters in this thread of all places are attacking me for not denouncing people hard enough!)

While I find comments like that ("where would you be w/o slavery) to be quite distasteful taken by itself, I thought it to be questioning where you would be rhetorically since you appeared to be falling back on historical racism as a defense against any criticism.

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[thekad]

No, "destroyed the Native American cultures." And that's not the point by the way. The point is answering hypothetical questions that were declared taboo a couple of posts above and what we can learn from them.

This guy pronounced how he would be a slave. I asked him where he would be now without slavery (the real one, not his imaginary). He didn't answer this question, only squirm, squirm, squirm. Basically all I wanted to see from his answer is the way he thinks and he all but confirmed what everyone could see from his previous answers anyway.

Okay, I'll stop joking around now. If not for slavery, if not for the widesread raping of the African land, if not for the discrimination that came as a result, harson, lefty, and many other blacks would be in a lot better place than they are now. Their continent would likely he richer; ours, poorer. Where would we be without slavery, without Indian removal, without the taking advantage of immigrants, without racially-charged imperialism, without many of the atrocities we, white Americans have committed? Those are the questions you conveniently ignore and I don't expect you to answer. Hell, you will probably be banned by the time I finish this post.

 

[GhaleonEB]

thekad: I see no need to acknowledge your disingenuous post.

You have yet to make anything but disingenuous posts. :lol

 

[harSon]

I actually don't know where I would be My dad was Black and my mom was half Spanish and half Japanese

 

[thekad]

thekad: I see no need to acknowledge your disingenuous post.

So you concede that you indeed do have a horse in the race and support James Power, if indirectly. Thanks, that is all I wanted to hear.

 

[APF]

harSon: What part of "quite distasteful" do you find lacking in analytical skills?



thekad: I'm not sure why you feel the need to troll in this manner, or what points you feel you're gaining by cheapening yourself in this way. It's sad to see.

 

[harSon]

harSon: What part of "quite distasteful" do you find lacking in analytical skills?



thekad: I'm not sure why you feel the need to troll in this manner, or what points you feel you're gaining by cheapening yourself in this way. It's sad to see.

You said you'd find the words distasteful if in a different context.

 

[APF]

You said you'd find the words distasteful if in a different context.

No, I said I found them distasteful in and of themselves, but also thought he was trying to get at something else in a poor way. Tamanon seemed to understand what I was saying, but you cannot. Interesting.

 

[James Power]

Okay, I'll stop joking around now. If not for slavery, if not for the widesread raping of the African land, if not for the discrimination that came as a result, harson, lefty, and many other blacks would be in a lot better place than they are now. Their continent would likely he richer; ours, poorer. Where would we be without slavery, without Indian removal, without the taking advantage of immigrants, without racially-charged imperialism, without many of the atrocities we, white Americans have committed? Those are the questions you conveniently ignore and I don't expect you to answer. Hell, you will probably be banned by the time I finish this post.

Stop threatening me with bans. The way you attack and slander me shows quite a lot about the way you and only you think and has nothing to do with me.

Edit: The audacity to list some unrelated questions and to claim that I "conveniently ignored" these questions when they had nothing to do with the original statement and you brought them up first is mindnumbing.

 

[polyh3dron]

Stop threatening me with bans. The way you attack and slander me shows quite a lot about the way you and only you think and has nothing to do with me.

Wow, out of all the things in that quoted text the only thing you addressed was a hope that you would get banned. That looked like a pretty honest answer to your loaded question.

 

[harSon]

No, I said I found them distasteful in and of themselves, but also thought he was trying to get at something else in a poor way. Tamanon seemed to understand what I was saying, but you cannot. Interesting.

Not exactly sure how the hell you can pull that from your statement but I'll play along :lol

 

[thekad]

Stop threatening me with bans. The way you attack and slander me shows quite a lot about the way you and only you think and has nothing to do with me.

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[APF]

Can we stop talking about slavery and Africa? It's a pointless discussion and has little to do with discussing this controversy aside from a meaningless digression that will resolve nothing and only serves to piss people off.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

Actually he hasn't really denounced the guy. But eh, it's GAF and I'm not gonna waste my breath... I'll vote for change, hope, and higher taxes.

Yeah, he hasn't denounced him at all. He's trying to walk too fine a line here, obviously.

“I strongly condemn” Wright’s statements, but “I would not repudiate the man,” Obama said.

On one hand he says this:

“What I hope is [that] what the American people will trust is what I believe,” he said, that “my values, my ideas, what I’ve spoke about in terms of bringing the country together will override a guilt by association.”

Yet his actions say that Wright's teachings and sermons were being heard loud and clear by Obama:

Obama took the title of his 2006 autobiography, “The Audacity of Hope,” from a sermon by Wright, who baptized him and officiated at his wedding. He has called Wright “a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible.”

So the whole "audacity of hope" thing, which inspired the whole "hope" theme of the campaign, was inspired by Wright.

Obama knew Wright was a firebrand of course, as steps were taken to remove Wright from plain view, yet, if reports are to be believed, until just yesterday, Wright was part of Obama's circle of advisors.

And worst of all, Obama's camp aren't even saying Wright was given the boot by Obama.

Obama did not clarify whether Wright volunteered to leave his African American Religious Leadership Committee, a loose group of supporters associated with the campaign, or whether the campaign asked him to leave.

That's the wrong way to handle it. Obama's camp should have come right out with a strong statement. They should have painted Obama as the kind of strong leader who will get in there and fire somebody, even a family friend, for being a jackass. This kinda half-assed play isn't strong-looking at all.

At the very least, this was, and still is, being handled in a very amateurish way by Obama's campaign. Obama needs to polish that shit up for Cell if he wants to take the Presidency, because the way this embarrassment is being handled is anything but Presidential. This is just the primary. This kinda thing will kill a candidate in the real race for the White House. Wait until you see what the Republicans do with this kind of dirt, when the gloves come off. All those Republican strategists, trained for years at the feet of the master, Karl Rove, and knowing how to make this kind of stuff resonate with "Middle America" are going to have a field day with all of this stuff.

Link to the MSNBC story: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23634881/

 

[harSon]

Can we stop talking about slavery and Africa? It's a pointless discussion and has little to do with discussing this controversy aside from a meaningless digression that will resolve nothing and only serves to piss people off.

The topic is about Jeremiagh Wright's word, slavery is well within the contexts of his statements. Your unease for the subject is no reason to completely do away with an argument that is completely relevant.

 

[APF]

Well that's what I get for trying to get this stuff back on track in a reasonable and even-handed manner...

 

[James Power]

Wow, out of all the things in that quoted text the only thing you addressed was a hope that you would get banned. That looked like a pretty honest answer to your loaded question.

I don't like being attacked. If you don't want to discuss with me in a rational manner then don't.

 

[Tamanon]

I don't like being attacked. If you don't want to discuss with me in a rational manner then don't.

Okay, I'll stop joking around now. If not for slavery, if not for the widesread raping of the African land, if not for the discrimination that came as a result, harson, lefty, and many other blacks would be in a lot better place than they are now. Their continent would likely he richer; ours, poorer. Where would we be without slavery, without Indian removal, without the taking advantage of immigrants, without racially-charged imperialism, without many of the atrocities we, white Americans have committed?

There ya go. Any answer now?

 

[James Power]

Okay, I'll stop joking around now. If not for slavery, if not for the widesread raping of the African land, if not for the discrimination that came as a result, harson, lefty, and many other blacks would be in a lot better place than they are now. Their continent would likely he richer; ours, poorer. Where would we be without slavery, without Indian removal, without the taking advantage of immigrants, without racially-charged imperialism, without many of the atrocities we, white Americans have committed?

There ya go. Any answer now?

I didn't ask him, I asked the 15 year old who brought it up and in context of the rest of his posts I wanted to see his answer to it. The other guys answer is nice but doesn't interest me.

 

[AmishNazi]

I didn't ask him, I asked the 15 year old who brought it up and in context of the rest of his posts I wanted to see his answer to it. The other guys answer is nice but doesn't interest me.

Fucking hypothetical questions are retarded. Plus if you only wanted his answer why did you keep bringing it up even after it's quite obvious he left the thread.

 

[siamesedreamer]

Did you fail to see Obama rally in Indiana just now? My faith in America has been vindicated.

To suggest that rally is any indication of how this story is playing in mainstream America is utterly LOLz-worthy.

 

[James Power]

And you agreed with this guy:



Why don't we just blanket everybody as a race-based voter, huh?


And I realize that I'm several pages behind here, but this discussion has become pretty disgusting, and I'm not sure I can deal with this thread any longer.

Wow, out of context quoting in such a delicate discussion, you are mean.

 

[Tamanon]

Wow, out of context quoting in such a delicate discussion, you are mean.

You mean out of context like say "God Damn America" ?

 

[James Power]

Fucking hypothetical questions are retarded. Plus if you only wanted his answer why did you keep bringing it up even after it's quite obvious he left the thread.

Wrong. He posted answers in this thread long after my question. You people are the only ones making constant reference to it, although it didn't concern you in the first place.

 

[James Power]

You mean out of context like say "God Damn America" ?

The funny thing is I never even made reference to the OP and this statement.

 

[AmishNazi]

Wow, out of context quoting in such a delicate discussion, you are mean.

Wrong. He posted answers in this thread long after my question. You people are the only ones making constant reference to it, although it didn't concern you in the first place.

Then answer my damn question.... Are you American.

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

To suggest that rally is any indication of how this story is playing in mainstream America is utterly LOLz-worthy.

Why is that? do you want me to think more negatively? Okay, everyone at that rally hasn't heard about his former pastor and haven't weighed the idea of two people not sharing the same views.

 

[GhaleonEB]

To suggest that rally is any indication of how this story is playing in American media is utterly LOLz-worthy.

Ahem.

 

[Branduil]

I don't know about you guys but this thread has certainly convinced me that Obama and his supporters will surely unite and heal this nation.

 

[thekad]

I say those 10% of black people NOT voting for Obama are the real racists.

 

[Branduil]

To be fair, there are detractors and supporters on both sides that are being rational and detractors and supporters on both sides that are being dumb and hateful.

I don't really think this thread in particular has proven anything about the man himself, though, unless you suggest that he has participated in the discussion here.

My only suggestion was that he's not a magical messiah who will cure everything wrong with America and bring peace and harmony.

 

[harSon]

My only suggestion was that he's not a magical messiah who will cure everything wrong with America and bring peace and harmony.

He never said he was, his competitors did.