But the backlash it has generated it's enough, I think.
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Oculus' Palmer Luckey funds white-supremacist/misogynistic/anti-lgbt harassment group
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But the backlash it has generated it's enough, I think.
Giftofgab24
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Both.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
white-supremacist/misogynistic/anti-lgbt harassment group
Is in the thread title dude.
He disagrees with that assessment of the alt-right. He also thinks Palmer Luckey was just joking. And that we have no proof that Luckey is a trump supporter.
Giftofgab24
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This election cycle is so weird though. I feel like 60 percent of the population would prefer a third candidate while Schrumpf and Hillary split the other 40%. When it comes down to Election Day I really hope these Trump supporters are just a very vocal minority. We even have George Bush saying he's voting for Hillary. So many people also saying they they're not gonna vote at all. Like their morals put them "above it." That's just as bad as a vote for Trump in my opinion. Realpolitik 101. His camp knows damn well that if they can't get the votes of the young, the next best thing is to convince them not to vote at all by repeatedly lying about your opponent.
Maiden Voyage
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There are third candidates and neither of them reflect that 60% figure.
Dreamwriter
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Sue me if I don't get all my facts from GAF thread titles
I have yet to read in any of the articles about this by major sites that the group is a white supremacist group, if someone can provide a link that would be good. The most I've seen is that two of the founders of that company used to be moderators for /The_Donald, and at one point in /The_donald's history, one of the questions to become a moderator was to ask a question about white supremacists (though what I read didn't say what the answer had to be to be approved). I've also read that r/the_donald changed over time, in its first year it was a place where people mostly posted links to articles about his candidacy, and calmly discussed his chances. I make decisions and form beliefs based on facts, and tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. But all I'm seeing here are lots of people piling on who only read the title of the thread and *maybe* the OP.
Why are you even posting in here if you are blatantly ignoring the details and copious examples that have been provided?Sue me if I don't get all my facts from GAF thread titles
I think you are somewhat aware that you are muddying the waters with your misleading comments.
Sue me if I don't get all my facts from GAF thread titles
Over a day later and you still haven't found your answers. Probably because you don't want to.
Sue me if I don't get all my facts from GAF thread titles
There are 73 pages full of people in this topic discussing the ways in which this group and the people associated with it are bigots. If that's not enough, there is also another 40+ page thread in OT, and another 40+ page thread in gaming on Palmer Luckey himself.
Which is hilarious because it only takes 2 minutes to go through his likes on Twitter to see all the pro-Trump and anti-Hillary stuff.
call_kotaku
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You know, seeing how gleefully Milo & co were about outing him and how public they were about their support, I'm starting to think Palmer Luckey was just an useful idiot to their cause. Heck, the whole nimble thing might have been set up just for the purposes of outing a billionaire tech leader as not just a Trump supporter but an active alt-right supporter.
Makes more sense than thinking spending $10,000 on memes is either funny, useful, or effective.
Makes more sense than thinking spending $10,000 on memes is either funny, useful, or effective.
Maiden Voyage
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Sue me if I don't get all my facts from GAF thread titles
I won't directly link these for you, but you can certainly Google them yourself:
- the_donald subreddit - 2 members of the NimbleAmerica team are mods here. As you've stated. This is the primary link establed between NA and white supremacy.
- Milo Yianopolous - He is an outspoken racist and homophobe. Also directly involved with Nimble America.
- Luckey's now deleted twitter likes. These have been posted through the thread. They include posts from his girlfriend and racists like Cernovich.
- 8Chan and 4Chan - userbase of the_donald overlaps into both. 8Chan is notable for allowing child porn and home to Gamergate. 4 Chan is notable... well, just look it up sometime.
Giftofgab24
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I meant another democrat or republican. Should have been more clear. I personally wanted Bernie Sanders.
consider that this post:
is now over a day old. He's been pulling this schtick of "just asking questions" since this all broke.
Dreamwriter
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And yet, I'm not seeing any articles by reputable websites discussing that, just people here going all #detectiveGAF and speculating and making connections like "he likes Trump, he has a horrible girlfriend, some members of the company go to r/the_donald, so he must be a bad man and the company must be white supremacist so lets all dump on the guy!".
Personally, I'm all for saying that Donald Trump would be bad for the country and has said some particularly crappy things; based on his statements, I would agree that Trump is a horrible person (assuming he's not just saying outrageous things to get elected, which is a theory some people believe). But I know smart, good people who are unfortunately Trump supporters, so just learning that Palmer Luckey gave $10,000 to a Trump-supporting anti-Hillary group is not going to make me want the guy fired or the company Oculus shut down.
They're not going to let go one of their most valuable employees over a $10,000 donation to a political organization that near 50% of the country supports. When you add in Hillary supporters (like me) that support allowing this guy to do whatever he wants with his wallet, you're going to find that the people who want this guy fired are in a minority and Facebook is at best a moderate organization and isn't going to bow to the fringes.
SmiteOfHand
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Unless there is a photo of Palmer Luckey with his arm around someone wearing a t-shirt saying "I Hate Black People" with Luckey pointing to it smiling he will never be convinced. It is the belief that racism only exists in the most explicit and extreme ways that leads to this sort of denial.
People aren't basing this off a hunch from a couple of liked tweets. This has been months and years of how people have responded to issues like immigration, police violence and harassment that has come to these conclusions.
People aren't basing this off a hunch from a couple of liked tweets. This has been months and years of how people have responded to issues like immigration, police violence and harassment that has come to these conclusions.
So, you ignored everything provided. Why are you even posting?
We gave you the pasts he authored, and the website for the group fucking yesterday.
How many ways do people have to tell you that Palmer Luckey is not being persecuted for voting for donald trump, but rather for associating with the alt-right, which is a hate group. Do you know what the alt-right is? You're seriously asking for people to demonstrate to you that Milo Yiannopoulos is a hate monger?
you have been deliberately ignoring all proof from anyone across multiple threads.
Why should anyone take you are your word?
Seriously...it is like talking to a brick wall.
angrywoodchuck
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This X 100!
50% of the country supports an organisation spreading images and memes based on hate speech, anti-semitism, racism and homophobia?
Well, that's new.
I'm still kinda terrified by the fact that supporting an openly racist, sexist, bigotted demagogue alone isn't enough to be considered an asshole nobody would ever want to associate with anymore. Oh, how things change in the span of a year.
Maiden Voyage
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Here ya go.
Want more?
How about another?
Or maybe you can learn to educate yourself through a simple Google search.
Maiden Voyage
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For the enthusiasts who bought in at the beginning? I think they already know the potential consequences of early-adoption.
If Oculus stepped in and did something other than blindly backing Luckey this might not be happening. At this point, this is Oculus' fault. Don't blame the devs for refusing to interact with something directly connected to hate.
No it doesn't. What "dropping oculus support" means is that they are dropping support for the Oculus API and the Oculus Store, and obviously implying they are moving to OSVR, SteamVR, or OpenVR. Unlike the Oculus Store and Oculus API, those technologies are inclusive of all headsets, including the rift.
It's a move that literally only punishes oculus. Oculus rift headset owners can still use their headset with games that "dropped Oculus."
Consumers can just buy the steamvr version.
Considering Oculus is doing fuck nothing about any of this, it's a good way to show them that they should do something about Palmer.
They support Trump. You're the one filling in blanks and forcing people who "support" Trump into being identified as a racist, bigot, or sexist on that offense alone. I know a lot of people who support Trump and aren't any of those things, including my parents, and I don't believe that because Luckey supports Trump that he is also any of those things automatically as well.
Do you believe Luckey is any of those things because he funds the alt-right? Because you should.
Thats why Luckey was re tweeting and favoriting blatantly racist and sexist and bigoted things that Trump and other alt-right people (like Milo) have tweeted.
He was just 'supporting' Trump and those people but not their ideals.
The devs are free to do as they like, and it's not like it's all fun and games for them, they lose potential profit.
If people don't like that the devs don't want to have their games on a platform whose face is a white supremacist supporter, they can not buy games from said devs.
This is an oxymoron.
To put it into the most simplest terms who don't know what the alt-right even is. Alt-right is the politically correct term for racism, white supremacy/nationalism and all kinds of bigotry. Because alt-right is easier to digest for the masses than white supremacy.
Even had an alt-right person in my Twitter mentions moments ago after talking about Luckey there for a bit. And this person said that white nations must be for whites as every people should have their own homeland and that the natives retaliated against us and deserved to be wiped out.
This is what the alt-right think.
Even had an alt-right person in my Twitter mentions moments ago after talking about Luckey there for a bit. And this person said that white nations must be for whites as every people should have their own homeland and that the natives retaliated against us and deserved to be wiped out.
This is what the alt-right think.
ShockingAlberto
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Punishing them how
You're not really entitled to anything by buying a consumer electronics product beyond what's required of the manufacturer
Are third parties punishing Wii U owners or just doing what is best for them
Dreamwriter
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So which of those links references Palmer Luckey or Nimble America?
If you read those links, you should recognize the names that are in blue, because those are the names of the people Palmer Luckey is giving money to. I mean this in the most literal way.
Or would you say Palmer Luckey teaming up the imperial granddragon of the KKK to host a book club meeting wouldn't be alarming because "they're just talking about books!"
SmiteOfHand
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You are doing this on purpose. You have to be.
Are you a real person?
Luckey is heading and backing an alt-right movement. A movement that has just been explained to you as being highly racist.
Are you just completely unable to use logic and draw straight fucking lines?
It's not even as vague as your reply would make it seem, lol. Your links are literally a history of the alt-right, directly explaining the involvement of key people like Milo Yiannopoulos, aka the person Luckey is donating to.
Hey, sorry to tell you, but your parents want a racist, sexist, homophobe, bigoted demagogue to be president. Seems they don't have a big problem with any of those things!
Also, jesus christ, don't you understand that Luckey did a whole lot more than just support Trump? How in the world are you able to ignore or not understand that?
Some might call it a fresh idea on how to communicate with forum posters.
You said you form decisions and beliefs based on facts earlier but you are willfully ignoring all facts and reason.
You called out this thread that we're all just speculating based on nothing but the facts are all over the place showing who Luckey is in support for.
Reading is hard tho.
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