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Basically:
The World according to ResetERA:
The World according to NeoGAF:
IT IS NOW!
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I WAS GOING TO DO THAT MYSELF GOD DAMN IT WHAT ARE YOU DOING WHAT IS THIS YOU RUINED MY PLOT THIS IS HERESYBasically:
The World according to ResetERA:
The World according to NeoGAF:
IT IS NOW!
Why is he an asshole for not wanting to play a generic white guy?
Because he obviously has played games before with generic white dudebro's and it was not a problem then. So user is an asshole, because he is a hypocrite.
My guess is that he never cared or paid attention to it before and thanks to the wonderful small-scale influence of ERA, he now believes it is a problem.
Even when by comparison most people would still buy problematic games from Atlus or Hashino on that very same site.
Where did you find the word generic in that quote?
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Turn the tables around and imagine someone said "I would be happy to never play as black people in games ever again". Are you going to tell me they wont be painted as a Nazi?Why is he an asshole for not wanting to play a generic white guy?
Their obsession with race is insane.It's an anti-white day on Resetera.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/representation-is-important.101572/page-2#post-18242670
We need more diversity.
We need more diversity.
We need more diversity.
We need more diversity.
We need more diversity.
Has anyone ever asked, when is diversity suppose to end? Have the liberals, or anyone on the left, ever told us when can we expect diversity to come to a close, or are we suppose to accept diversity till humanity goes extinct?
And check out this asshole's reply.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/representation-is-important.101572/page-2#post-18242632
Why does diversity always require white people to disappear? I'm being serious. None of the chucklefucks at Resetera have moderated this person's post, so clearly they're ok with white people people never being in video games ever again.
Cerium's forum likes to take extreme liberties when it comes to who is allowed to be offended.
"Friends is problematic"
Lol ok im done. Friends is one of the most mild sitcoms ever....i have complained about mundane bs in the past but never could i have imagined it would be in vogue like this. Anyone whining about toxic masculinity in Friends has never gone hungry or been without shelter and needs to grow some testicles. It will be a shock when (if?) they face real adversity in their lives.
"Friends is problematic"
Lol ok im done. Friends is one of the most mild sitcoms ever....i have complained about mundane bs in the past but never could i have imagined it would be in vogue like this. Anyone whining about toxic masculinity in Friends has never gone hungry or been without shelter and needs to grow some testicles. It will be a shock when (if?) they face real adversity in their lives.
Anyone who thinks that movie deserves an Oscar for Best Picture is someone who has horrific taste in movies.They're melting down because Black Panther didn't win best picture during black history month.
hahahahaha
On its own, i agree. But when you are going to use it as an argument that for so long we have had white character and we need diversity then you are pretty much ticking off the Ree narrative.Playing as a type of character and growing tired of it doesn't make him a hypocrite or an asshole.
Scrubs probably is also problematic in their eyes since Hooch, a black guy, is considered Crazy in there, despite that one of the main characters (Turk) is also black. Oh, and the best doctor in the hospital is an elitarian white guy (Dr Cox)."Friends is problematic"
Lol ok im done. Friends is one of the most mild sitcoms ever....i have complained about mundane bs in the past but never could i have imagined it would be in vogue like this. Anyone whining about toxic masculinity in Friends has never gone hungry or been without shelter and needs to grow some testicles. It will be a shock when (if?) they face real adversity in their lives.
I thought the most offensive thing was having Lisa Kudrow as Phoebe be on the show. Honestly to me she is so wildly out there compared to all the others, and that includes awkward Ross.The most offensive thing Friends ever did was turning Lisa Kudrow's character from a peace loving hippie to an hysteric yuppie executive.
Its a good movie, not the best movie, obviously.Anyone who thinks that movie deserves an Oscar for Best Picture is someone who has horrific taste in movies.
Turn the tables around and imagine someone said "I would be happy to never play as black people in games ever again". Are you going to tell me they wont be painted as a Nazi?
And yes, he did also express excitement over such sentence.
That is exactly how that sentence would read just by changing a few words around.
No. We're not going to play the what if game.
If he'd only said he'd be happy to never play a white person again. You might have a point. However, it seems your purposely ignoring the rest of his post because that doesn't fit your narrative. He clearly says he doesn't like how white people are portrayed. So, from that I'd say it's logical to assume he's talking about the generic dudebro characters. That doesn't make him an asshole.
On its own, i agree. But when you are going to use it as an argument that for so long we have had white character and we need diversity then you are pretty much ticking off the Ree narrative.
They are virtual characters in a virtual world. Unless a game aims for realism, why should it have to reflect real-world trends perse? If you want to do that, then it should fit in with the game and not just be an additional vehicle soldered in to gain attention.
Sadly i feel the latter is what is currently happening.
You’re the one that just labelled white guys generic. Seems pretty racist to me, so I’m not sure you have a leg to stand on.
A huge swathe of videogame mascots over the past 40 years are race-nondescript or non-human, actually.It's not possible to have played video games over the last 20 odd years and not noticed that the majority of video game characters are white dudes. So using that as part of an argument for diversity isn't so outlandish. I agree with you that forced diversity can only ever be negative. Doing something just to tick boxes doesn't turn out well. It insults the people it's aimed at and annoys it's core audience. The recent Overwatch Soldier 76 thing is probably the best example of that.
A huge swathe of videogame mascots over the past 40 years are race-nondescript or non-human, actually.
Your notion that "games are white" is ideological propaganda. Even the language you use -- "it's not possible [to have] not noticed" -- sounds like the catchphrase from a poster or a tract.
...which is commonly referred to as "ideology", especially when that belief isn't based on facts or asserts something contrary to readily-available facts.That's my not my "notion" at all. I'm talking about people's belief...
Can't even state its a product of its time.
Its strange that you are contesting something that i didn't imply in the first place.It's not possible to have played video games over the last 20 odd years and not noticed that the majority of video game characters are white dudes.
You gotta know where it comes from. A place whose sole existence is derived on introducing military diversity into all facets of society.So using that as part of an argument for diversity isn't so outlandish. I agree with you that forced diversity can only ever be negative. Doing something just to tick boxes doesn't turn out well. It insults the people it's aimed at and annoys it's core audience. The recent Overwatch Soldier 76 thing is probably the best example of that.
Lol i am not one to easily take his stance but Papa is one of the last folks that would be a fit for Reset. And that's a compliment to Matt.I was clearly talking about generic video game characters. I know your desperate to have your gotcha moment rather than actually discussing the subject, so I suggest you go and join Resetera where you'll find more like minded people.
Is Kinoki the king of white people? Does his judgement render all other white people's opinions completely invalid?No. We're not going to play the what if game.
If he'd only said he'd be happy to never play a white person again. You might have a point. However, it seems your purposely ignoring the rest of his post because that doesn't fit your narrative. He clearly says he doesn't like how white people are portrayed. So, from that I'd say it's logical to assume he's talking about the generic dudebro characters. That doesn't make him an asshole.
The more I see of this generation, the happier I am that I am not in it
Using a white guy with an ugly shirt. How racist and un-diverse!
I really should be more inclusiveUsing a white guy with an ugly shirt. How racist and un-diverse!
jk simmons.
...which is commonly referred to as "ideology", especially when that belief isn't based on facts or asserts something contrary to readily-available facts.
Is Kinoki the king of white people? Does his judgement render all other white people's opinions completely invalid?
He said nothing of dudebro. His entire post just wants white characters gone from video games so no one plays them.
And once again, the double standard still applies. If someone said they would be happy no one gets to play a black video game character ever again, it would still be seen as a sign of Nazism.
But trying to cheer on getting rid of white people in video games gets a pass.
Read what the red underline says. Don't try and edit it. Read the raw thing."Is Kinoki the king of white people? Does his judgement render all other white people's opinions completely invalid?"
What? I don't get what kind of point your trying to make here. Maybe you can explain it better.
"His entire post just wants white characters gone from video games so no one plays them."
No it doesn't. All he says is he doesn't like the way white people are portrayed. There is absolutely nothing in that post which suggests he wants nobody to play white characters. If he did please highlight that part.
I've told you I won't play the what if game. If you can't discuss this rationally and honestly then your not worth my time.
Lol i am not one to easily take his stance but Papa is one of the last folks that would be a fit for Reset. And that's a compliment to Matt.
He is also not a Gotcha user. You are bowling in the wrong lane John.
Read what the red underline says. Don't try and edit it. Read the raw thing.
Are you saying that white characters haven't been the majority over the last 20-30 years? Please show those "readily available facts" or stats that support your theory
I believe burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that white characters have been the majority.Are you saying that white characters haven't been the majority over the last 20-30 years? Please show those "readily available facts" or stats that support your theory
You didn't read it. Nowhere in that redline does he bring up dudebro.I've read it.
Old GAF tactics i get.He's brought up the generic comment twice now and then used that to imply racist intent when I was obviously talking about generic video game characters. It's an old Gaf/Ree tactic
More identity politics bullshit. Reset can't get enough of them.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/do...le-in-multiplayer-games.101372/#post-18201978
I've played online all my life and never once witnessed someone attacking another person because they happen to have a female voice.
It comes across to me that all the identitarians on Resetera have to force their politics on other people that probably leads to a negative experience.
Read what the red underline says. Don't try and edit it. Read the raw thing.
I believe burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that white characters have been the majority.
But I'll put in a minimum of effort. Based on this list, you can see that the majority of franchises do not force players to play a white male (or even a human...) character.
The notion of "white majority" in games doesn't even make sense. Yeah, videogame development was predominantly in the West (USA + Europe), but since the early 80s the Japanese developers were just as influential if not more influential. I find it difficult to believe that Japan would've also been propagating white majority, too.
Just curious, out of all the protagonists in the history of gaming, how many of them are red heads? And I don't mean anime red or pink haired crazy creations. But let's say a, Irish or Scottish person. Freckles too."I believe burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that white characters have been the majority."
This is such a ridiculous level of denial it's hard to believe your actually serious, but here's a study you can look at. While it doesn't cover every year it's fairly comprehensive
http://dmitriwilliams.com/VirtualCensusFinal.pdf
Your "list" of best selling games actually highlights my point so thanks for that. It's a pity you didn't bother to look at the games on that list. I don't think you'd be making claims like this " you can see that the majority of franchises do not force players to play a white male (or even a human...) character."
Well, when we look at your list we can see the exact opposite of your claim. There's COD, BF, GTA, FIFA, Need For Speed, Assassin's Creed, Resident Evil, Splinter Cell, Star Wars, Halo, Metal Gear Solid, UnCharted, Medal Of Honor, Red Dead Redemption, The Witcher, James Bond, Tony Hawks, God Of War, Rainbow 6, Bioshock, Batman, Gears Of War, Spiderman, Devil May Cry. It goes on and on.
While we're here, here's an old meme that highlights the discussion
Now, you can keep on denying the reality of the situation all you like and I'm sure you will, even in the face of studies, lists and memes that clearly show all the evidence anyone could possibly want, but I'm not going to keep going round in circles over this. Me getting banned again for criticising another crappy AAA is much more worthy of discussion. That's the 2nd time I've been banned for doing that.
>majority of people in the country are white guys"I believe burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that white characters have been the majority."
This is such a ridiculous level of denial it's hard to believe your actually serious, but here's a study you can look at. While it doesn't cover every year it's fairly comprehensive
http://dmitriwilliams.com/VirtualCensusFinal.pdf
Your "list" of best selling games actually highlights my point so thanks for that. It's a pity you didn't bother to look at the games on that list. I don't think you'd be making claims like this " you can see that the majority of franchises do not force players to play a white male (or even a human...) character."
Well, when we look at your list we can see the exact opposite of your claim. There's COD, BF, GTA, FIFA, Need For Speed, Assassin's Creed, Resident Evil, Splinter Cell, Star Wars, Halo, Metal Gear Solid, UnCharted, Medal Of Honor, Red Dead Redemption, The Witcher, James Bond, Tony Hawks, God Of War, Rainbow 6, Bioshock, Batman, Gears Of War, Spiderman, Devil May Cry. It goes on and on.
While we're here, here's an old meme that highlights the discussion
Now, you can keep on denying the reality of the situation all you like and I'm sure you will, even in the face of studies, lists and memes that clearly show all the evidence anyone could possibly want, but I'm not going to keep going round in circles over this. Me getting banned again for criticising another crappy AAA is much more worthy of discussion. That's the 2nd time I've been banned for doing that.
"I believe burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that white characters have been the majority."
This is such a ridiculous level of denial it's hard to believe your actually serious, but here's a study you can look at. While it doesn't cover every year it's fairly comprehensive
http://dmitriwilliams.com/VirtualCensusFinal.pdf
Your "list" of best selling games actually highlights my point so thanks for that. It's a pity you didn't bother to look at the games on that list. I don't think you'd be making claims like this " you can see that the majority of franchises do not force players to play a white male (or even a human...) character."
Well, when we look at your list we can see the exact opposite of your claim. There's COD, BF, GTA, FIFA, Need For Speed, Assassin's Creed, Resident Evil, Splinter Cell, Star Wars, Halo, Metal Gear Solid, UnCharted, Medal Of Honor, Red Dead Redemption, The Witcher, James Bond, Tony Hawks, God Of War, Rainbow 6, Bioshock, Batman, Gears Of War, Spiderman, Devil May Cry. It goes on and on.
While we're here, here's an old meme that highlights the discussion
Now, you can keep on denying the reality of the situation all you like and I'm sure you will, even in the face of studies, lists and memes that clearly show all the evidence anyone could possibly want, but I'm not going to keep going round in circles over this. Me getting banned again for criticising another crappy AAA is much more worthy of discussion. That's the 2nd time I've been banned for doing that.
This is my problem with the quote and the pic."I believe burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that white characters have been the majority."
This is such a ridiculous level of denial it's hard to believe your actually serious, but here's a study you can look at. While it doesn't cover every year it's fairly comprehensive
http://dmitriwilliams.com/VirtualCensusFinal.pdf
Your "list" of best selling games actually highlights my point so thanks for that. It's a pity you didn't bother to look at the games on that list. I don't think you'd be making claims like this " you can see that the majority of franchises do not force players to play a white male (or even a human...) character."
Well, when we look at your list we can see the exact opposite of your claim. There's COD, BF, GTA, FIFA, Need For Speed, Assassin's Creed, Resident Evil, Splinter Cell, Star Wars, Halo, Metal Gear Solid, UnCharted, Medal Of Honor, Red Dead Redemption, The Witcher, James Bond, Tony Hawks, God Of War, Rainbow 6, Bioshock, Batman, Gears Of War, Spiderman, Devil May Cry. It goes on and on.
While we're here, here's an old meme that highlights the discussion
Now, you can keep on denying the reality of the situation all you like and I'm sure you will, even in the face of studies, lists and memes that clearly show all the evidence anyone could possibly want, but I'm not going to keep going round in circles over this. Me getting banned again for criticising another crappy AAA is much more worthy of discussion. That's the 2nd time I've been banned for doing that.