hands down one of the best Disney villains
too bad he was in such a mediocre movie
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too bad he was in such a mediocre movie
Boss Doggie
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I'd argue he was kinda a crappy villain all things considered but he was played really well
with that said the 2D doesn't have the "same face" look the 3D models have
That was a troll image.
The whole point of those tests is so that the animators would know what to go for and how the characters should be animated. And they captured it wonderfully. It's literally just the 2D style captured in 3D.
with that said the 2D doesn't have the "same face" look the 3D models have
That was a troll image.
In the making of Glen Keane mentioned that he did over 10,000 drawings for that Duet short in the span of a year O_O.
Pretty sure he left because he knew he would be working on 3D movies moving forward, they even had him do some concept art for Wreck It Ralph.
He also said that he wanted to do something where people could see his lines on the screen instead of the cleaned up work, like that scene in Pocahontas. And if you look at his new short Duet it's exactly that.
It's not just him though, other greats like Andreas Deja (Jafar, Gaston, Scar, Hercules, Lilo etc.) have left as well. He even mentioned in an interview that they were working on a new 2D film after PatF but that probably got canned so he left.
It's pretty clear that he, Glen and the others still want to work in 2D, which ain't happening at Disney.
Pretty sure he left because he knew he would be working on 3D movies moving forward, they even had him do some concept art for Wreck It Ralph.
He also said that he wanted to do something where people could see his lines on the screen instead of the cleaned up work, like that scene in Pocahontas. And if you look at his new short Duet it's exactly that.
It's not just him though, other greats like Andreas Deja (Jafar, Gaston, Scar, Hercules, Lilo etc.) have left as well. He even mentioned in an interview that they were working on a new 2D film after PatF but that probably got canned so he left.
It's pretty clear that he, Glen and the others still want to work in 2D, which ain't happening at Disney.
George Oscar Bluth II
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More Tangled gifs. I really like how the film looks, especially on Blu-Ray, but having it done in traditional animation would've been neat.
Has anyone mention this book yet? If you are a true Disney Animation fan, this is a must read.
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The short he did for Motorola Spotlight is stunning. If you think the animation is stunning in 2D, you're missing how amazing it looks when you're using it on a Moto X, where you can pan left and right to change perspective, watch the story progress, and just feel more involved. It's a beautiful piece of work.
I think Princess and the frog would've been cooler in 3D, and on the other hand I'd love to see Tangled or Frozen in 2D. I love how old Disney movies look, I watched some Cinderella video and was amazed at how good, gorgeous and full of charm the animation is, while all of the 3D movies look exactly the same, I swear they have like a single female face template. Jesus it's so boring, go back to 2D already.
Vulcano's assistant
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How smooth does it look there? I've read that he animated it at 32 frames per seconds to be played at 60. (so basically animated at 2s but for 60 instead of 24).
It doesn't look like 60 FPS to me, but it's relatively smooth. Each character splits off and you follow them by rotating the camera around. If you venture off in the wrong direction, the music fades away and a butterfly appears to guide you. Also, the parallax is better realized in the interactive version.
I tried recording it in 60FPS but it wasn't feasible. To follow the action, you have to move the camera and the phone in sync and even with image stabilization, everything was a blurry, shaky mess.
I imagine having to process the various layers in relation to the phone's movements while achieving 60 fps might have been too taxing on the system.
……forgetit
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More Tangled gifs. I really like how the film looks, especially on Blu-Ray, but having it done in traditional animation would've been neat.
personality overload. ..cgi pales in comparison
……forgetit
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This will never happen.
Crossing Eden
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Good to know that's a troll image. Also the same face thing seems is pure coincidence to me. Less so in Frozen, because it's not that weird that two sisters and their mother would look very alike.
Seeing the pencil tests makes the animation seem so alive. It's really incredible to behold.
Also, I'd say Tangled is still the closest CG has gotten to the 2D animation style. Frozen was a step back (but still nice). Glen Keane really did wonders directing the Tangled team to bring 2D philosophies to 3D.
Also, I'd say Tangled is still the closest CG has gotten to the 2D animation style. Frozen was a step back (but still nice). Glen Keane really did wonders directing the Tangled team to bring 2D philosophies to 3D.
IIRC, the lead animator on Frozen said that Anna & Elsa's faces were the hardest part of Frozen, because the higher-ups insisted that they had to be "Pretty, like Rapunzel." He basically had no freedom to work with their faces, but he still had to make sure that their faces somehow conveyed personalities that were different from each other (and Rapunzel). He was very proud of what he was able to accomplish, even though people accused him of sameface.
If you notice, all of the men in Frozen have unique faces, and none of them look like Flynn.
Crossing Eden
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I think he accomplished his task, I never once thought that the characters looked like Rapunzel and was surprised by all the comparisons, was so strange but internet is gonna internet.
I remember a lot of outrage at the use of the word "pretty" when talking about the facial animations.
As an animator, it made me really angry to see people taking the word pretty out of context when he really meant that the characters have to look good visually at all times and not broken or stretched out too far like in something like hotel Transylvania.
Yep the animation in Tangled is a wonderful achievement. Frozen is not really close.
El Pescado
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I thought the beginning of Enchanted had some beautiful animation. That's what I imagined a 2D Disney movie would look like nowadays.
It's coming back I think. Disney is trying to nail the 2D look in 3D.
Yup, these shorts were beautiful.
Tangled moved beautifully. Frozen was boring and there was nothing memorable about the animation. Agreed.
SpacePirate Ridley
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I dont think the 3D we are wacthinf right now by Disney is bad, in fact is amazing (as cool as Wreck it Ralph looks in 2d tests, the movie needed 3D becuase of the theme it was tacklin), but it would be beuatiful if we could return, just for a few movies, to 2d animation. Like maybe Disney doing, 1 2D, 2 3D cycle. I would be happy with that.
In the Earth were PATF was a major success
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Which Earth-# did this version exist on
I need to phase there permanently
In the Earth were PATF was a major success
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Holy hyperbole. The facial animation in Frozen was awesome with a lot of nuances. And of course the snow effects, and the entire let it go sequence, actually, all of the songs had some wonderful animation.
And they did a lot of playing around with making the two sisters having different personalities,
Disney's animation got stuck in a rut. They had a run of great movies in the early '90s, so they stuck to that formula... and it fell flat. Pixar came out of nowhere with brand new ideas, not just a brand new technique, and blew everything up.
Jorok Goldblade
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Yeah. Anime is usually drawn on fours (One drawing for every four frames of film, or 6 frames per second) while American animation is usually drawn on twos (12 fps) and some of the higher-budget stuff (Disney features, for example) is drawn on ones (24 fps).
A lot of productions will animate at multiple framerates (Say, twos for a dialogue scene and ones for an action scene) so these are generalities.
Indeed.
As I said earlier the clean-up stage of animation can ruin much of the work in my opinion.
Rhomega Beta
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I find statements like this to be strange. I hear similar statements about going back to practical visual effects. It's like saying "Black-and-white film will have a comeback once people eventually get tired of color."
BeatResetsTheWorld
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Are those suppose to be analogies? It's not like 2D is some antiquated method of animation that was moved past because CG was the way of the future. It's not like people are advocating going back to purely hand drawn 2d, but digital 2d animation is just as viable nowadays as CG
BeatResetsTheWorld
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When you say 1 drawing every 4 frames, do you actually mean 1 drawing (with duplicates in between), or 1 keyframe drawing?
Jawmuncher
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Honestly both cases were stacked agaisnt animation.
As you said about Winnie the Pooh not to mention it had a oddly short runtime from normal.
Aside from that Princess and the Frog had limited releases and then wide which hurt it's marketing.
Holy hyperbole. The facial animation in Frozen was awesome with a lot of nuances. And of course the snow effects, and the entire let it go sequence, actually, all of the songs had some wonderful animation.
And they did a lot of playing around with making the two sisters having different personalities,
Agreed. There needs to be way more CGI love in this thread.
Jorok Goldblade
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The drawing is held for 4 frames
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_MDprx3tOU
Turns out anime is on Threes, not fours. mis-remembered that.
Rhomega Beta
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It's more like people are saying that CGI is supposed to be a temporary thing, and that people should abandon it and move back to traditional methods.
http://i6.minus.com/i0j5XpMmQkvC4.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]
If a robot were to do art, this is probably what it'd come up with.
This dude would probably slap Alex Ross' shading over Mike Mignola's art, too.
[quote="Not The Droid You're Looking For, post: 147867134"]More Tangled gifs. I really like how the film looks, especially on Blu-Ray, but having it done in traditional animation would've been neat.
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manzoman96
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Out of their latest releases I think Wreck it Ralph was the only one that benefited from being in 3D.
From the look of those gifs Tangled would've looked a lot better in 2D.
From the look of those gifs Tangled would've looked a lot better in 2D.
PaperFlame
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Aaron Strife
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CG probably made the ice palace stuff in Frozen much easier so I can see a case for it there.
show me your skeleton
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i am pretty ignorant in this field but it always impresses me how the many animators that work on a film are able to work in a particular director's (or key artist's or whoever's) style. like don bluth films look like don bluth art, lilo & stitch looks like chris sanders' work etc.
zero shift
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As much as it sucks, everywhere but Japan just isn't that interested in 2D.
Princess and the Frog was the last shot 2D had and it performed mediocre. Disney tried again with Winnie the Pooh but it bombed horrendously. The last successful 2D film was The Simpsoms movie but the reasons why being 2D didn't hinder it are obvious.
That is an even worse comparison.
2D has a completely different look and feel than 3D. It is a completely different art style.
Princess and the Frog was the last shot 2D had and it performed mediocre. Disney tried again with Winnie the Pooh but it bombed horrendously. The last successful 2D film was The Simpsoms movie but the reasons why being 2D didn't hinder it are obvious.
That is an even worse comparison.
2D has a completely different look and feel than 3D. It is a completely different art style.
Acrylic7
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Aaron Strife
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I made a Don Bluth thread a while back but it only focused on his early four movies (Nimh, American Tail, Land Before Time, All Dogs) so I would love to see a thread that got more into his obscure stuff. His art is so beautiful and charismatic. I don't really know what he's up to now but it'd be great if someone was willing to produce another movie of his. Anastasia and Titan AE proved he still had it even after his flops.
Did you all hear about the Anastasia stage musical they're working on? I hope it pans out.
Did you all hear about the Anastasia stage musical they're working on? I hope it pans out.
RPGCrazied
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Yeah. I miss the days of Aladdin, Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, Little Mermaid. I know its not Disney, but Titan A.E was epic. I hope for another scifi type animated cartoon. CG is getting a little stale for me lately.
He's mainly been doing books and a website. It was rumored that he was working on a new film a couple of years ago.
No, that's hardly it. There's a lot more expressiveness in the faces, especially in the second gif, than I ever saw in Tangled.
Don't get me wrong, I love 3D animation and think it can look just as expressive as 2D. Unfortunately, Disney's non-Pizar 3D output has all suffered from very limited expressiveness; part of this is the laughably uncreative character design (Elsa and Anna are the main characters of Frozen, so why the hell do they have the same face?), but another part is that they're just not very good at capturing emotions besides a default one.
No, they're really not as expressive. And that makes me sad.The whole point of those tests is so that the animators would know what to go for and how the characters should be animated. And they captured it wonderfully. It's literally just the 2D style captured in 3D.
not psycho
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Not a fair comparison, there are tons of times where a sketch has more personality than the final project. It doesn't just happens with 3d, it happens with painting.
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