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[styl3s]

auto-aim? you mean aim assist? HUGE difference between the 2.

 

[kokujin]

LOL

You really are a part of the master race. Let me bow down to you because when I think of gaming, I think of playing the game.

The way people act online, you wouldn't think so.When I used to play on Live, it was serious business, then I started playing PC shooters and I have think why I ever played on a console.I think it is just ignorance why people stay playing console shooters.

 

[abstract alien]

Of course, avid pc gamers would come into a console specific thread about console specific titles and start spewing bullshit, making the sane pc players look bad in the process lol

 

[TheExecutive]

MAG comes to mind first and foremost.

 

[Booshka]

Of course, avid pc gamers would come into a console specific thread about console specific titles and start spewing bullshit, making the sane pc players look bad in the process lol

The "PC Master Race" derail is the most logical and expected derail for this thread.

 

[TheExecutive]

auto-aim? you mean aim assist? HUGE difference between the 2.

Yes, you are correct. However, from reading the OP I am sure you can decifer what he/she means.

 

[TheExecutive]

There's still a small amount in there.

One thing I don't get is why are console shooters so popular.They have aim assist, inaccurate controls, and worse graphics and frame rate.I'd think if someone was serious about playing these games they would want the best experience available, but it's not the case.

There is a "couch edition" .gif around here someplace...

 

[kokujin]

Of course, avid pc gamers would come into a console specific thread about console specific titles and start spewing bullshit, making the sane pc players look bad in the process lol

I predominantly play console games, I paused my Genesis to type this, but I try to play games on platforms where they work best.

 

[CountAntonius]

I think it is just ignorance why people stay playing console shooters.

Really? Some people just never made the migration to PC gaming and some don't care to. Not that big a deal.

 

[abstract alien]

I predominantly play console games, I paused my Genesis to type this, but I try to play games on platforms where they work best.

Good luck with playing the OP in a few games of Socom 4 on your pc then. I'm out, since I don't actually have anything useful to contribute to the thread title and topic at hand lol

*bails out*

 

[Drkirby]

I don't think the PS2 version of Tribes had Auto Aim.

 

[Booshka]

I don't think the PS2 version of Tribes had Auto Aim.

it had a temporary Lock on function though, that was entirely necessary

 

[Kalnos]

Some people like to be able to put a disc into a system and have it play their game without hours of fiddling around with settings and editing ini files.

Assuming we're talking about a non-technical PC user:

Install Game.
Launch Game.
Settings: Set Resolution, Choose pre-set graphics option
Play

Really, it's not that hard, and it isn't that different from consoles with their updates and installation nowadays.

With that said, it's all preference which to use control-wise and it doesn't really matter as long as KB/M is segregated from controller users.

 

[thetrin]

KZ3 with move is pretty much the best aiming experience you can get in an online shooter without playing on PC.

 

[iirate]

There's still a small amount in there.

One thing I don't get is why are console shooters so popular.They have aim assist, inaccurate controls, and worse graphics and frame rate.I'd think if someone was serious about playing these games they would want the best experience available, but it's not the case.

Even if you don't care for dual analog, many people do. I know people that have played FPSs on PC, and still prefer them on consoles. Also, some people really aren't bothered by lower end graphics or frame rates.

Personally, I prefer shooter controls on PC, Wii/DS, and then the other consoles, but I certainly consider dual analog to be a playable scheme and I have had no problem enjoying dual analog shooters in the past. I only draw the line at N64-era shooters; I can't touch those.

As far as the graphics and framerate go, I'm not extremely picky. I certainly prefer a silky smooth and gorgeous experience, but most often, I'll have no problem playing something that compromises somewhere, as long as the game is built on a solid foundation.

EDIT: For the record, I don't necessarily see aim-assist, in all of its forms, as a bad thing. It can be implemented well or poorly, just like any other aspect of gameplay.

 

[boiled goose]

There is a "couch edition" .gif around here someplace...

derail aside, i never got this point...

my pc is hooked up to a 32'' monitor on my living room infront of my couch.
if for some crazy reason you like playing with a pad, u can use a pad with a pc.

also, u dont have to upgrade a pc every year. do it once a gen and u will still be far ahead of the console curve.

the only real argument against playing on PC is 'convenience', exclusives, or userbase.

 

[Noisepurge]

i always like to turn the aim assists off, but if the game has it on by default its annoying to know that the other players have this advantage.

MAG and BFBC2 are quite fandabbybabulous

 

[daffy]

I think it is just ignorance why people stay playing console shooters.

You're kidding..? FYI not all console games are available on PC honeybuns

 

[Ydahs]

Assuming we're talking about a non-technical PC user:

Install Game.
Launch Game.
Settings: Set Resolution, Choose pre-set graphics option
Play

Really, it's not that hard, and it isn't that different from consoles with their updates and installation nowadays.

With that said, it's all preference which to use control-wise and it doesn't really matter as long as KB/M is segregated from controller users.

Not when the games do not work because of some directx settings or because of a 64bit machine or driver issues. Your average gaming Joe will have no clue what to do in such situations and that's one of the few MAJOR advantages of console gaming.

 

[kokujin]

You're kidding..? FYI not all console games are available on PC honeybuns

I am not talking about all console games, just shooters.

 

[ArachosiA 78]

I can't play without some aim assist. Dual analog controls just aren't accurate enough (or maybe I just suck). Obviously a mouse is a lot more accurate, but I can't stand moving with a keyboard. So, overall I'd rather play with dual analog + aim assist.

 

[kokujin]

I can't play without some aim assist. Dual analog controls just aren't accurate enough (or maybe I just suck). Obviously a mouse is a lot more accurate, but I can't stand moving with a keyboard. So, overall I'd rather play with dual analog + aim assist.

If they could mix an analog stick for movement with a mouse for aiming it would be perfect.I hate moving with asdw, but I hate aiming with a stick even more.

 

[Joe White]

One thing I don't get is why are console shooters so popular.They have aim assist, inaccurate controls, and worse graphics and frame rate.I'd think if someone was serious about playing these games they would want the best experience available, but it's not the case.

I disagree, because I think that competitive play requires players having about same advantages and disadvantages in their gaming environment. And inaccurate controls with aim assist for all is a part of that.

 

[kokujin]

I disagree, because I think that competitive play requires players having about same advantages and disadvantages in their gaming environment. And inaccurate controls with aim assist for all is a part of that.

But it is very limiting.

 

[SneakyStephan]

Some people like to be able to put a disc into a system and have it play their game without hours of fiddling around with settings and editing ini files.

Yeah , no thats not how it works.

I don't even have to put a disc in my syste, I get from pressing my shortcut to playing about 4-5 times faster than going from putting in the disc to playing on a console too.
Loading times between maps are almost non existant and I don't have to stare at lobby countdowns for minutes on end between every match.
The latter especially does my head in when playing anything on a console, you barely get to frigging play.

Configs are options, optional, you CAN configure things to be more to your liking.
On consoles you are always stuck at the default settings wether you like it or not.


@FTH: You aren't goig to tell me the exlusives are a reason to play shooters on consoles right?
I get the couch argument (sort of), but pc has a way way wider array of exlusives to choose from when it comes to fps games.
Most of them are of much higher quality too.

Halo might have been the only fps type that you couldnt really find on pc , but that changed when section 8 was released 2 years ago, and now prejudice is out too.

 

[ArachosiA 78]

If they could mix an analog stick for movement with a mouse for aiming it would be perfect.I hate moving with asdw, but I hate aiming with a stick even more.

Yeah, that would be cool. Seems like it should be possible. I wonder if there's a way to use the Wii nunchuck attachment plus a mouse. There's gotta be a way to get that to work.

 

[Noisepurge]

If they could mix an analog stick for movement with a mouse for aiming it would be perfect.I hate moving with asdw, but I hate aiming with a stick even more.

i sometimes use a Frag FX:

edit: updated the pic for a more modern version

 

[kokujin]

i sometimes use a Frag FX:

edit: updated the pic for a more modern version

That's a sweet peripheral.

 

[ArachosiA 78]

Nice...I would totally get that Frag FX controller if I had a modern PC or if the PS3 had any shooters I cared for.

 

[kokujin]

Nice...I would totally get that Frag FX controller if I had a modern PC or if the PS3 had any shooters I cared for.

I thought it only worked for the PS3, if it works with the PC I am picking one up.

 

[Sarcasm]

Not when the games do not work because of some directx settings or because of a 64bit machine or driver issues. Your average gaming Joe will have no clue what to do in such situations and that's one of the few MAJOR advantages of console gaming.

More expected from an Indie game than a generic AAA title.

 

[Shambles]

Yeah , no thats not how it works.

I don't even have to put a disc in my syste, I get from pressing my shortcut to playing about 4-5 times faster than going from putting in the disc to playing on a console too.
Loading times between maps are almost non existant and I don't have to stare at lobby countdowns for minutes on end between every match.
The latter especially does my head in when playing anything on a console, you barely get to frigging play.

Configs are options, optional, you CAN configure things to be more to your liking.
On consoles you are always stuck at the default settings wether you like it or not.


@FTH: You aren't goig to tell me the exlusives are a reason to play shooters on consoles right?
I get the couch argument (sort of), but pc has a way way wider array of exlusives to choose from when it comes to fps games.
Most of them are of much higher quality too.

Halo might have been the only fps type that you couldnt really find on pc , but that changed when section 8 was released 2 years ago, and now prejudice is out too.

 

[ArachosiA 78]

I thought it only worked for the PS3, if it works with the PC I am picking one up.

I checked it out on Amazon. Apparently it works with PS3, PC and Mac. It's 90 bucks though.

 

[SneakyStephan]

I actually have halo CE pc , but the netcode was so awful that I blocked it out of my memory , that or it used p2p connections, can't really remember, I just remember that at the time it was unacceptable.

Tried to play some halo CE online on my xbox too before the pc version was released (you put it in lan with your pc, then run a prog on your pc that makes the xbox think it's in lan, and allows you to connect to other ip's) but the p2p lag made it awful. (all my friends with the game agreed on that too).

From our point of view the p2p standard today is just baffling, we didn't even want to deal with that shit when playing halo online was a wet dream for gamers.

 

[The_Player]

One thing I don't get is why are console shooters so popular.They have aim assist, inaccurate controls, and worse graphics and frame rate.I'd think if someone was serious about playing these games they would want the best experience available, but it's not the case.

I'm with you man. Can't understand this thing at all. If I want to play FPS or RTS - I play'em on PC. If I want play arcade games or fightings - consoles is my choice.

 

[SabinFigaro]

I... really had no idea many console shooters had auto-aim online. Why?

 

[kokujin]

I checked it out on Amazon. Apparently it works with PS3, PC and Mac. It's 90 bucks though.

Kind of steep I'll read up on it some.

I'm with you man. Can't understand this thing at all. If I want to play FPS or RTS - I play'em on PC. If I want play arcade games or fightings - consoles is my choice.

Same with me, awesome avatar, Contra HC is my 2nd favorite game of all time(1st is Alien Soldier)

 

[daffy]

I am not talking about all console games, just shooters.

Ok, not all console shooters are available on PC then.

 

[bangai-o]

Yeah , no thats not how it works.

stuff

yeah no, this is not what the discussion is about. It was supposed to be about auto aiming, until the pc gamers had to muck it up into gamebox warz.

 

[SneakyStephan]

I... really had no idea many console shooters had auto-aim online. Why?

Because aiming with a controller doesn't work well, halo CE on xbox was lauded for being the first console shooter to come up with an auto aim system that allowed you to hit stuff while still being a bit subtle (it was strong aim assist though) and without feeling like it took control away from you.

It still puts kz2's annoying aim assist to shame.


That was in a time when a gaming pc cost 1500 dollars and kids took what they could get.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDVcNj9HrgE
This is what happens when a pc game gets ported to consoles without mouse support and without auto aim.
It's not pretty.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ALM1GHTY360#p/u/27/USLnrSowwZo
This is a game with auto aim from the same guy, suddenly he can 'aim'.
Pretty huge difference.


This is the pc game without auto aim again on pc: (by a great player)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPfaQJuWGvU&t=4m30s

For some reason showing this comparison in an auto aim topic pisses people off, but I think it's very valid...

 

[The_Player]

Ok, not all console shooters are available on PC then.

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[kokujin]

Ok, not all console shooters are available on PC then.

Of course, but it's not a problem because most of them aren't that good.

 

[Joe White]

But it is very limiting.

Thats how I like it. I prefer competitive LAN-gaming in monitored environment where players have identical hardware and are allowed to configure controls, but not graphics. I've always hated how competitive players configure games look on their own PCs.

Console gaming at least provides similar hardware and graphics for every one.

 

[SabinFigaro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDVcNj9HrgE
This is what happens when a pc game gets ported to consoles without mouse support and without auto aim.
It's not pretty.

Point taken. I've never taken a console shooter online, so I didn't realize this.

 

[SneakyStephan]

Of course, but it's not a problem because most of them aren't that good.

I'll admit btw that uncharted 2 is pretty unique n well made online.
I couldn't get used to it though, the disconnect with the controls kept bugging me endlessly it wasn't worth it.

That's one game I'd like to see get ported to pc.

 

[daffy]

cant_tell_if_trolling.jpg

Wat

I can't play Gears 3 or Uncharted 3 on a PC. People stay playing console shooters because the experience isn't replicated on another platform. No PC game plays exactly like Killzone 3, that is why people play console shooters.

Of course, but it's not a problem because most of them aren't that good.

Ookay well, you live in your world I live in mine. I've played PC shooters and console shooters, and both platforms offer exclusively great experiences. When I can play Uncharted III on a PC then this will make any sense.

 

[kokujin]

Thats how I like it. I prefer competitive LAN-gaming in monitored environment where players have identical hardware and are allowed to configure controls, but not graphics. I've always hated how competitive players configure games look on their own PCs.

Console gaming at least provides similar hardware and graphics for every one.

I do agree with you about keeping everything even, but cutting off everyone at the knees is a bit too much.

 

[CountAntonius]

I'm with you man. Can't understand this thing at all. If I want to play FPS or RTS - I play'em on PC. If I want play arcade games or fightings - consoles is my choice.

People like playing where their friends are. Many people who play on consoles started playing fps shooters with Goldeneye so a dual analog stick is just fine with them. I know plenty of PC gamers who plug in a 360 remote on PC fps even. it's a matter of preference. Some people are just fine playing on a console. Some people like control pads. Millions in fact. It's not ignorance or lowered standards as has been stated already it's a simple preference.

 

[daffy]

@FTH: You aren't goig to tell me the exlusives are a reason to play shooters on consoles right?
I get the couch argument (sort of), but pc has a way way wider array of exlusives to choose from when it comes to fps games.
Most of them are of much higher quality too.

I'm not arguing which platform is better or has more exclusives, that's childish/pointless to me. kokujin stated that ignorance is the reason people play console shooters. I'm saying that having fun with a gaming experience that's only available on console is the reason people play console shooters.

Dedicated servers are PC gaming's single biggest advantage. If consoles had that standard, I'd doubt there would be as many naysayers.

 

[Grayman]

Thats how I like it. I prefer competitive LAN-gaming in monitored environment where players have identical hardware and are allowed to configure controls, but not graphics. I've always hated how competitive players configure games look on their own PCs.

Console gaming at least provides similar hardware and graphics for every one.

The graphics settings are about getting to the absolute peak of possible play in that game and in most of them where it is done it suits them perfectly.