The_Player
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Thank you for a polite answer. I can't quite realise it because consoles not very common where I live, so PC is only choice for the most of gamers, while consoles are just a good extra.ARXIN said:
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Online console shooters with no auto-aim
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SneakyStephan
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FTH said:
I don't think anyone is arguing that you shouldn't play uncharted 2-3 just because it's on consoles.
But people who are content with bad company or looking forward to battlefield 3 or who are playing any other dime a dozen fps on consoles and think their controller is a matter of preference and that 30 fps and the input lag that comes with it , p2p connections, poor quality dedicated servers,no server browsers, matchmaking lobbies, no admins to police servers, narrow field of view ,slow movement, small maps with only 12 players etc are all par for the course are clearly misinformed.
I don't really understand why people get so defensive when someone goes :"but that's not all there is to have, it gets a lot better than that".
There really is no incentive for the average pc gamer to point these things out other than to spread the love and inform some people.
If you enjoyed food and someone kept telling you that a cold big mac is as good as it gets and then snapped at you for suggesting they take a look at a menu in a proper restaurant then you'd start to feel tired too.
"But there's a hair in it" - "well that's your opinion,I know a lot of people who eat in a restaurant and order a big mac with a pube in it"
"Will you at least try the 5 star exotic foods ?" "NO"
LevityNYC said:
Wow. Haven't played a COD game since 4 on PC. Does COD on consoles have aim assist? As in it locks on if your cross-hair is over someone? Or does it snap when iron-sighted? Is this what's known as quick scoping? (scuse my ignorance).
It ruined UT3 on 360 for me, the most annoying aim assist I've experienced in multiplayer.
As far I can tell BFBC2, Crysis 2, and Killzone 3 have very little of this.
And what's up with the fucking platform wars going on here? Grow up Juniors.
I will plead ignorance for why I still play shooters on consoles. I started playing shooters with the first Red Faction on PS2 and then Halo 1. I stuck with Xbox and started playing Xbox Live with the wide array of shooters it had, most of them ports of PC shooters.
At the time PC gaming was far too expensive for me to get into, so I stuck with playing shooters on Xbox, none the wiser. The natural progression was to get a Xbox 360, and play with all my friends that I had gained from the years of gaming on the original Xbox and Live. I actually waited to buy a 360 until Oblivion came out, I loved Morrowind on the Xbox (more games that are inferior on consoles LOL).
It's really just the path I took, I could have saved up around 800-1000 dollars in early 2006 and got a decent PC, but that would have taken far longer than $400 for a 360. I would have also had to essentially abandon most of my online friends from Xbox Live and a few from real life that played and got me into XBL. I doubt very many of them gamed on PC either.
Now, I regret not getting into PC gaming earlier, since most of the shooters on console suck now, and the other genres I enjoy are better on PC anyway. So, now I am focusing on saving up for a gaming PC and play that. I won't be buying any of the new consoles for a long time to come, and I am going to skip a lot of the incoming console releases to save for a PC.
It really comes down to familiarity with console shooters, I am very good at them and have been playing them for over 10 years now. I've built up a friends list of like minded and cool people through playing these games, and only now am I starting to tire of the BS that is consoles. PC's are getting cheaper and cheaper, and consoles are stagnating with their 5 year old hardware.
Don't tell me I didn't have fun, or was wasting my time with all the online FPS' I played on console though, because I thoroughly enjoyed it for years.
At the time PC gaming was far too expensive for me to get into, so I stuck with playing shooters on Xbox, none the wiser. The natural progression was to get a Xbox 360, and play with all my friends that I had gained from the years of gaming on the original Xbox and Live. I actually waited to buy a 360 until Oblivion came out, I loved Morrowind on the Xbox (more games that are inferior on consoles LOL).
It's really just the path I took, I could have saved up around 800-1000 dollars in early 2006 and got a decent PC, but that would have taken far longer than $400 for a 360. I would have also had to essentially abandon most of my online friends from Xbox Live and a few from real life that played and got me into XBL. I doubt very many of them gamed on PC either.
Now, I regret not getting into PC gaming earlier, since most of the shooters on console suck now, and the other genres I enjoy are better on PC anyway. So, now I am focusing on saving up for a gaming PC and play that. I won't be buying any of the new consoles for a long time to come, and I am going to skip a lot of the incoming console releases to save for a PC.
It really comes down to familiarity with console shooters, I am very good at them and have been playing them for over 10 years now. I've built up a friends list of like minded and cool people through playing these games, and only now am I starting to tire of the BS that is consoles. PC's are getting cheaper and cheaper, and consoles are stagnating with their 5 year old hardware.
Don't tell me I didn't have fun, or was wasting my time with all the online FPS' I played on console though, because I thoroughly enjoyed it for years.
Leon S. Kennedy said:
Couldn't you have replied just before the other guy?
I mean it's a perfect 1rst reply for a /thread.
Seriously people who don't want aim assist and auto aim shouldn't be gaming on dual analog.
On the other hand they're very welcome any time I play an online shooter with a wiimote/move, I just love target practice.
les papillons sexuels
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chixdiggit said:
one does it for you, the other helps you adjust for it.
Auto aim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OQQOWkXxKk
aim assist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cav0XuoEc_Q
see how the xhair pulls a bit when the other player gets into the cross fire, that's the aim assist.
I didn't say anyone was, I said I wasn't arguing which system had better titles(just used Uncharted 3 as an example of a great console experience), which is where you seemed to be leading with this:SneakyStephan said:
Some posters here also seem to equate console shooters with sloppy mechanics compared to the great master PC.
I have played console shooters where the only complaint I've had was lag. So for me, dedis are the only area where console shooters lack. Most of the things you mentioned that do not pertain to connection speeds are simply preference. Some people are perfectly content with narrow fields of view and "slow movement".
I've played PC multiplayer games and the experience is not as big a deal as you may like to think. It is certainly not ignorant if you prefer a console shooter over a PC one. Its not spreading the love to the uniformed console gimps, its being unneccesarily condescending and even ignorant as to some of the great console multiplayer games out there.
OmegaDragon
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I think that the current system of aim assist/auto aim in console shooters is pretty good. It's so much better than what consoles used to have. I tried playing the Perfect Dark 360. The auto aim option is ridiculous, your gun auto targets enemies at random. I played it with my brother, I turned off the auto aim because it was so obnoxious while he kept it on. I couldn't aim accurately though and using the aim button didn't really help. Timesplitters 2 used a similar system. Either you were struggling to even hit enemies (manual aim) or you couldn't adjust where to hit enemies or which enemies to wanted to hit.
The Halo series is pretty good as far as aiming goes. Although the sticky aim is noticeable, it isn't obnoxious. Disabling auto aim/aim assist in console shooters just makes it frustrating.
The Halo series is pretty good as far as aiming goes. Although the sticky aim is noticeable, it isn't obnoxious. Disabling auto aim/aim assist in console shooters just makes it frustrating.
CountAntonius
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SneakyStephan said:
But they don't care. They are still enjoying their experience. They have every right too. Most of these people don't feel the need to play on better servers with 60 fps and mouse and kb. Because they are happy as is.
SneakyStephan
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYGuFsYDbQQRooMHM said:
Already working on it.
ARXIN said:
Way to pull things out of context.
Noone said you can't enjoy your xbox or ps3.
It's the delusional people who pretend that the controller is somehow even half as suited for fps or that p2p is as good a solution as good dedis.
I still have to meet anyone who is used to dedis for the last 15 years who can deal with p2p.
Being happy with it is just being blissfully unaware.
If console joe would up his standards a bit and stopped buying p2p mp games then he'd be getting dedis too.
The only haughty attitude you'll get from me is when I scoff at the hardcore halo or cod gamers acting like it's serious business.
Something pretending to be something it's not is in general pretty tragic and comical.
Appreciating something for what it is is not.
Again, I loved the heck of out halo CE on xbox when it was all I could afford (and I still like that game), I enjoyed uncharted 1 and 2 , I even enjoyed the first gears in coop.
That still doesn't mean I'm going to lower my standards and deal with all the disadvantages in online fps when I don't have to.
Anyhow this is all way too offtopic, let's stop provoking eachother.
CountAntonius
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Helps people without great dexterity to have more fun.RooMHM said:
I turn it off if I can. If it's too bad I just won't play the game. But I understand why it's there and it doesn't bother me much. I've been used to not being catered to for many years.
OmegaDragon
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Mael said:
Perfect Dark 360 might have been a bad example as it is originally a game made for the N64. But a lot of early PS2 era FPSs used a similar system (well, at least the ones I played), TS2 for example . Also I don't see why they couldnt have adjusted the aiming system of PD when they ported it.
CoffeeJanitor
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Consoles are more convenient to the average joe. That's pretty much all there is to say here.SneakyStephan said:
BloodySinner
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Oh?
Is that why the now defunct FASA Studios tried to gimp the mouse accuracy of PC players in Shadowrun so Xbox players would stand a chance?
They were still destroying the console players even after the patch.
I would still love a new cross-platform multiplayer shooter, regardless.
OmegaDragon said:
Because they might as well have made an original game, the whole game is designed around that.
In the same way that enemy placement in a twin stick shooter is more horizontal than in pretty much all motion controlled shooter, if they enhanced the gameplay they had to enhance everything.
TS2 was made by some of the people that worked at Rare, so yeah.
DeathIsTheEnd
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That video with aimbot in the title is from hacking. I hope your 'fucking pityful' comment was directed at that.RooMHM said:
NinjaBoiX
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You are quite clearly asking why people don't play shooters on PC. It may have something to do with, oh I don't know, affordability, ease of use, familiar control scheme (no matter how much more accurate a mouse may be for aiming, a keyboard is awful for everything else), friends lists, "plug and play" approach, need I go on? PC elitists seem to forget that although you do get a more visually appealing experience, a lot of other aspects are a major hurdle for most people. I can't be bothered with a PC, too much maintainance and shit, I wanna turn on a box, put one of those circular things in it and go!kokujin said:
Other than the Pick Up Weapon button mapping annoyance, which Black Ops fixed, I think Reflex did for pointer controls what Halo did for dual analogues.dwu8991 said:
It also offered a range of presets which were actually usable for all skill levels. The default is point-at-the-edge-of-the-screen style to ease people into the control method, but I can happily go with the second-most sensitive preset online without needing to do any tweaking to make it accurate and usable. Haring about, sprinting around corners and whipping around during combat just has that "right" feeling in Reflex/Black Ops, like the control method had finally arrived.
I just wish everyone would copy those controls - it's frustrating that we're still getting shooters which are Doing It Wrong in the controls department and offering terrible defaults and presets or no presets at all. The better the game, the more annoying it is - GoldenEye came really close after you tweaked the life out of the most sensitive preset (which was still terrible, especially for ADS), but it had this weird too-slow acceleration when moving out of the smallest possible deadzone, which made it awkward and inaccurate to make small adjustments.
CountAntonius
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Lack of what knowledge? That there is fps games on PC played on a mouse and KB? I'm pretty sure they know and would simply rather play on console.RooMHM said:
Danne-Danger
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That is bullshit too though. Steam has every game available just a few clicks away, you won't need a disc, you won't need to configure your shit, you click and play. A lot of graphics cards nowadays comes with HDMI built in so you won't need converters, and windows has gotten to be about as fool proof as it can be, if you still can't grasp it you can use some Apple crap. Add to that increasing gamepad support, cheaper and better hardware, better software etc etc. Ease-of-use is not an issue.CoffeeJanitor said:
The whole "it's to complicated to set up for the average joe! What's a config!?" is bullshit as well, a vast majority of gamer kids here in Sweden will have had CS running on their PC at some point in their lives, even to this day it serves as a rite of passage. There's some darwinistic thing there, if you can't get CS to run on your PC you're likely to get yourself killed while crossing the road or handling sharp objects, you just don't find people like that very often. The only way to fail at it is to not try at all. As SneakyStephan said before configs are there if you want to change shit, and you can if you want to, you can't on consoles, isn't that a better user experience?
I'd agree that lack of knowledge is the problem here, people just don't know how simple and convenient PC gaming can be.
But yeah, OT... MAG beta was pretty fun! Probably the best console shooter I've played, I hear they mucked it up though? What a shame.
CoffeeJanitor
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I'm not arguing with you that it can be easy, but not everyone has a capable PC/knows they have a capable PC. As someone else pointed out M/K controls are good for FPS/RTS and quite shit for everything else, especially in terms of comfort.Danne-Danger said:
My friends have consoles, they play a lot of games with each other on these consoles. A lot of the ports that the PC gets are lazy as hell, so that kind of screws up the multiplatform support.
So yeah, ease of use is an issue if you compare it to consoles. People have known how to set up consoles to play for what, 30 years? There's a reason consoles are the more mainstream choice: Plug n play, easy as hell, makes sense.
And yeah you can output to your home theatre system but a ton of people don't have that. A ton of people are younger kids who may not even have an HDTV that they play on.
I don't see the big deal here. Again, consoles are more convenient for the average joe. Computers may just work after a click or two for you or me, but for a lot of people it can be a major hassle. Especially compared to hooking up a console and hitting the ON button.
AlimNassor
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Or maybe people enjoy consoles? Shocking I know. Everythings better on PC, doesn't mean I'm gunna jump to it. I can't afford a PC, I can't even afford video games. I don't see how playing PC games makes one superior. It's just video games, and they are meant to be fun.
AlimNassor said:
yeah but you've got tournament and all that.
I mean it's fine to say that you can deal playing a fighting game with a gamepad but a dedicated pad is usually way better.
And that's a fucking bad example because the difference between that and for shooters is nothing like that but still
I used to PC game a lot more when I was a teenager but nowadays with a job and other stuff, I just don't have the time for installs, settings and all those errors that you have to put up with and solve.
With consoles I go buy the game and put the disc in and I'm able to play instantly. Not to mention playing with friends is easier on consoles.
With consoles I go buy the game and put the disc in and I'm able to play instantly. Not to mention playing with friends is easier on consoles.
Dubbedinenglish
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LiK said:
Bad company/ Bad Company 2.
Edit Also KZ2 had minimal auto-aim which was fantastic. KZ3 on the other hand brought in a lot more.
panama chief
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thats why i love this shit......
Danne-Danger
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I'll just move this to another thread. 
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=27948140&posted=1#post27948140
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=27948140&posted=1#post27948140
Grinchy said:
I get the ease of use argument and that in turns helps your friends get into gaming easier etc. That said this is a bit overdramatic. It doesn't take hours for any of that.
But the key for me about PC gaming for FPS's is DEDICATED SERVERS. I also value mouse keyboard, but dedicated servers need to become the standard on consoles. The sooner the better.
Old Gimlet Eyes
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Anytime someone wants to play Lead and Gold with me, I will use my controller and we will see how bad I get slaughtered. When a developers puts proper support for both KB/M and controller, it all comes down to personal preference. Many, many matches of Lead and Gold have me at the top of the leaderboard and that is playing against KB/M users.Ysiadmihi said:
Takamura-San
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kokujin said:
Seems like the vast majority of people have no problem with these.
The can make a FPS more enjoyable, with less frustration and time investment.
Not everyone derives joy from challenge.
More difficult/challenging doesn't always equal more fun for everyone.
abracadaver
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I absolutely hate auto-aim
this shit killed GTA IV online for me. I know you can turn it off but whats the point when everyone else still uses it. thank god they made lobbies in RDR that denied auto-aim.
Gears of War games dont have auto-aim
this shit killed GTA IV online for me. I know you can turn it off but whats the point when everyone else still uses it. thank god they made lobbies in RDR that denied auto-aim.
Gears of War games dont have auto-aim