TwEE-N-Toast
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RUINING MY MATURE ZELDA EXPERIENCE SINCE '93
Don't remember seeing any of that in a console Zelda.
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Don't remember seeing any of that in a console Zelda.
It saved Wii U in my heart <3
Too bad for it not selling but honestly I don't really care since I don't own Nintendo stocks. As long as the man makes games like that he can and should stay as far as I'm considered.
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
But elves and fairies kind of belong in an awesome fantasy world as opposed to those "cute" little birds whose every other word is "Kwi kwee kwee" whilst they beg you not to hurt them. Besides, there's cute (the Kokoks from Wind Waker, Deku Scrubs, Monkeys in Majora's Mask) and then there's annoying.
Yes, use the one Zelda game that by its very nature was an excuse to be silly to bolster your argument. But a talking animal wouldn't ruin the experience of any Zelda game for me provided the talking animal wasn't an annoying and terribly misguided attempt at being cute.
This is a bit like ridiculing all the Star Wars nerds who hate Ewoks and think they were a massive detriment to RoJ.
Formulaic is another way of saying "boring". If Nintendo's answer to making The Legend of Zelda interesting is "steam powered locomotives" count me out. "Zelda needs more elements that are at odds with its mythical fantasy theme!", said no sane person ever.
RUINING MY MATURE ZELDA EXPERIENCE SINCE '93
Its cute how you didn't even wait for a response to the animal question, but thanks for taking the time to make yourself look like an ass nonetheless.
Shikamaru Ninja
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Aqua, Fujibayashi was the director of Minish Cap. Not that friendly gentleman you listed.
Right now Daiki Iwamoto and Hidemaro Fujibayashi are the two main directors for the Zelda franchise under Aonuma as producer.
Iwamoto is directing Wind Waker HD, Fujibayashi most likely directly A Link Between Worlds.
Right now Daiki Iwamoto and Hidemaro Fujibayashi are the two main directors for the Zelda franchise under Aonuma as producer.
Iwamoto is directing Wind Waker HD, Fujibayashi most likely directly A Link Between Worlds.
Lord_Byron28
Member
Controversial opinion: I like and enjoy all the 3D Zeldas.
It honestly sounds like you just want LoZ to be another generic western adventure with elves, dragons, trolls, etc.
IrishNinja
Member
alright, you found the kwee kwee forest guys annoying, to each their own then
i'm saying i'm down for them to try out new ideas, specifically on said format, where if they work out they can be refined for the next proper chapter. ST is one of the few i haven't yet played so i can't rightly speak on it here, but even as much as i dug TP, at the time it did feel somewhat "safe" at times, as far as the OoT pattern went.
again, not to say it wasnt a fantastic game - the dungeons got crazy-good as you got further in - but i don't want Aonuma being fearful to try new ideas on smaller formats in particular.
it was more for the "straw that broke the camel's back" comment but i appreciate your candor!
i'm saying i'm down for them to try out new ideas, specifically on said format, where if they work out they can be refined for the next proper chapter. ST is one of the few i haven't yet played so i can't rightly speak on it here, but even as much as i dug TP, at the time it did feel somewhat "safe" at times, as far as the OoT pattern went.
again, not to say it wasnt a fantastic game - the dungeons got crazy-good as you got further in - but i don't want Aonuma being fearful to try new ideas on smaller formats in particular.
Its cute how you didn't even wait for a response to the animal question, but thanks for taking the time to make yourself look like an ass nonetheless.
it was more for the "straw that broke the camel's back" comment but i appreciate your candor!
Aquamarine
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RUINING MY MATURE ZELDA EXPERIENCE SINCE '93
1) The first picture is from the Photo Album added to the remake of Link's Awakening (Link's Awakening DX) in 1998
2) The second picture is the controversial "nude" hippo NPC in Link's Awakening (1993)
3) The third is concept art from Oracle of Ages (2001)
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
I don't know, is that what Zeldas 1-5 were to you?
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
In a way I'll be glad when Miyamoto retires. For a few reasons.
1. He deserves it.
2. Once he's gone, he'll be turned into an icon and revered for the weight of his history.
3. Fans will have someone new to complain is ruining Nintendo forever, and demand Miyamoto come back.
It's a good thing on the whole Miyamoto has stuck around this long. There's a few skills the man has which he did need to pass on to others, regardless what fans think of any one Nintendo game.
Aquamarine
Member
Oh yeah...sorry, I was looking at the wrong position when making that list.
IrishNinja
Member
you want i should go find cutesy stuff from prior console zeldas then? because you're sounding like one of the dudes who didn't want that Tingle game to come over, is the thing
ugh, know-it-all gamer grrls ruin everything
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
Could work, but I'd rather see the team faced with threat of series termination. That worked wonders for Fire Emblem.
It is still good.
Lord_Byron28
Member
No as they had cutesy moments and plenty of lighthearded humorous moments such as if you keep attacking cuccoo's. On top of that Zelda has always had more of a mix between japanese and western fairytales.
I'm not sure why the korok's are acceptable but the Kikwi's aren't just because one talks differently.
IrishNinja
Member
its (rightfully) a common complaint, has it been addressed yet though? i found it odd that i picked pro mode to turn off the HUD, but said messages - and Fi's barrage of hints - couldn't likewise be adjusted.
for as much flack as nintendo takes on hand-holding, i thought that hint-rock in Skyloft was a neat option, and likewise with Luigi taking over in NSMB2/U to show you the ropes (or let you skip it like a scrub, natch). i'm hoping for a similarly progressive approach next time around for zelda.
Every newly released Zelda game is simultaneously the best/worst of the series, and is leagues better/utterly atrocious compared to the previous installment.
Aquamarine
Member
It really, really depends on the game.
A lot of games with his name on it are just a rubber stamp.
But he was very involved in the development of Pikmin 3, working closely with long-time Pikmin director Shigefumi Hino and Pikmin programmer Yuki Kando to carefully craft the game from start-to-finish.
He also did a TON of play-testing for Skyward Sword...perfecting the gameplay controls and whatnot...but he wasn't with the game from day-one. Mr. Aonuma / Mr. Fujibayashi approached Miyamoto when Skyward Sword was at a certain point in development and asked for his feedback.
That's generally his role nowadays...to provide feedback. The point of Miyamoto being a "general producer" is that he can easily wander from title to title, giving his input here and there. If he wants, he can totally invest himself into a game (like Pikmin 3). But many times, he doesn't do that. A common criticism of Miyamoto today is that he meddles where he should just let the team do their own thing.
For example, it was Miyamoto who came in during the development of Paper Mario: Sticker Star and told them not to focus very much on story.
After Skyward Sword.... I hope he goes back to Miyamoto's school :-/
Needs to be a gif of this, preferably this one or any of the four below with miyamoto and Aonuma's faces on them. Third person represent the zelda fanbase or you can just put reggie's shocked face on there for the luls.
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1546001/table-flip-andy-samberg-o.gif
http://www.monkeyinthecage.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Table-Flip.gif
http://25.media.tumblr.com/4982f66a182801927abb708f9a7841c0/tumblr_mmggsiRwcR1spi2axo1_500.gif
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/4094533/rage-quit-o.gif
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
Such as? All I can come up with is that one monkey from Link to the Past who spoke in a cute monkey "dialect", and even that didn't seem as ridiculously out of place as the Kikwis.
I never said there was anything wrong with lightheartedness or humor.
There's a Japanese fairytale about a swordsman who saves disgustingly adorable fat penguins that pepper their speech with "Kwee"?
Because one cloyingly intercepted the flow of an otherwise serious story and the other didn't?
Were you under a rock during the Sticker Shit fiasco? He did more than suggest getting rid of unique characters. If you werent a fan of the paper series why bother comment anyway?
You know its bad when consumers support a New Super Mario Bros. formula on everything.
Aquamarine
Member
Spieler Eins
Member
One thing that makes Zelda good/stand out is that it doesn't follow some generic ass dungeons & dragons formula that all Western games rehash since decades.
It was always cartoony and shit, even the darker entries like Majoras Mask. It needs that unique perspective, we have more than enough crap on the market that's standard fantasy. Though yes, there's times when they might have went overboard (not with Tingle though :])
Gormless Noodle
Member
Interest in the series will go from low to low from here on I predict. So that might actually be the case sooner rather than later.
At any rate, this franchise is deceased as far as I'm concerned. I don't have even have a single shred of faith that the Wii U Zelda will be any good, but I'd be ecstatic to be proven wrong on that.
brandonh83
Banned
I think Zelda is in good hands. I have some minor problems with most of them, but they've all been some of the best games I've ever played. Even Wind Waker, which I used to not care for, is really blowing me away now that I'm revisiting it with the HD version (and not just because it's HD). Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword were amazing to me.
IrishNinja
Member
if you'd look past the hate in your heart to tell that story, i'd kickstart the book
just...just throwin' it out there
i know SS's sales were disappointing to some, but there were factors to that (like interest in the Wii drying up, etc)...no way do i buy this at all
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
I agree that Zelda always needs a bit of lightheartedness, but with Tingle and the Kikwis they went way too far.
And more Suetsugu too, if possible.
plagiarize
Banned
I also very much enjoyed Four Swords GBA and Phantom Hourglass. I know not everyone digged PHourglass (UNDERSTATEMENT) but I really did. Link's Magical Christmas Train left me completely cold.
Sushen
Member
That honor goes to twilight princess with 10 hour tutorial session. Either way, I guess he's ok at reproducing what's been accomplished. But the days of jumping from Zelda 2 to link to the past to Zelda 64 seems to be over.
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
Phantom Hourglass is the Star Wars: Episode III to to Link's Magical Christmas Train's Episode II. *raises flame shield*
brandonh83
Banned
I honestly didn't like either of the DS titles... which is bizarre because you'd think that we would have had better output from Zelda on that excellent device where nearly everything else, especially Castlevania, was firing on all pistons. Not that my opinion of either is "right," but like you said I was left cold with them. I think A Link Between Worlds will be a lot better. Hopefully.
Aquamarine
Member
I don't mind Mr. Fujibayashi as much.
He's lost some luster with Skyward Sword (Oracle of Ages / Seasons and Minish Cap were fantastic), but I had some really, really fun moments playing it.
For all of the backtracking, to Fi's endless rambling, to the frustrating flying controls...
I still enjoyed the game quite a bit.
He's lost some luster with Skyward Sword (Oracle of Ages / Seasons and Minish Cap were fantastic), but I had some really, really fun moments playing it.
For all of the backtracking, to Fi's endless rambling, to the frustrating flying controls...
I still enjoyed the game quite a bit.
I learned in this thread that I absolutely need to build a shrine to Tezuka - Hallowed be His name - on the ashes of the third Miyamoto temple.
All jokes aside, which of you loveable idiots added that Pikmin to his wiki picture?
The man would not be out of place in a secret underground government facility researching the future of videogames and funshaders.
All jokes aside, which of you loveable idiots added that Pikmin to his wiki picture?
It's the other way around, the Pikmin was shopped out... The more you know!
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The man would not be out of place in a secret underground government facility researching the future of videogames and funshaders.
They still need Miyamoto for new IP's. Aonuma needs to work on something else, give Zelda to someone new.
IrishNinja
Member
heh...i doubt you'll take much heat for that. i enjoyed PH for what it was (stylus boomerang & bow was cool, for one) but man there were definitely parts later in the ocean temple that made me wanna quit. not a bad title, but not one i'd revisit...ive seen plenty on here say far worse for the controls alone.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
.nvm
brandonh83
Banned
I don't get this. Yeah, you spend a bit of time in the village at the beginning, but it's not that long until things get going. It takes a while to get to the first dungeon, but I don't see how content before a dungeon is automatically a tutorial.
The Horror the horror
Banned
Bingo.
On one hand, Aonuma and Shiggy want to create as much of a direct and seamless connection between player and Link, to put the master sword in the hands of Wii owners and give them more than a game but an experience. On the other hand, you have the immersion breaking tutorials, the suffocating game manual disguised as a sidekick (Pi), and the numerous text boxes that all but remind players that the game is just that -- a game. They can't have it both ways.
Spieler Eins
Member
Fujibayashi needs to direct another Oracles/MC with the ALttP2 engine.
brandonh83
Banned
Yeah, I'd agree with this completely. I also hated how it tells you what you're getting and then goes into the menu to show you that it's adding it to your collection.
Shikamaru Ninja
任天å ã® å¿è
But they aren't the new line of directors. Not even the new line of producers. They've all been group manager and producers for about 10 years. The actual new line of directors are younger. Koichi Hayashida. Hidemaro Fujibayashi. Takayuki Shimamira. Shigefumi Hino. Kosuke Yabuki, Daiki Iwamoto, Etc.
Gormless Noodle
Member
Then watch the sales for WW HD and A Link Between Worlds. The first comes to a console desperately in need of good games and the latter to a console in its absolute prime. If those don't sell well, I think we can confirm that interest in the franchise is at an all time low?
The new Wii U Zelda will be the final nail in the coffin, I will make that prediction right here. And I'd gladly eat crow for that, I'd make a goddamn crow stew if it means seeing the series go back to the greatness it once had.
Succinct Verbosity
Member
Whoever is responsible for two hour tutorials is the worse partner in this relationship.