Spacecowboy77
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Really disappointed he did not address leavers
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Overwatch Competitive Play Season 2 Changes
- Thread starter SmartWaffles
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Not necessarily. It's luck of the draw for if you get cooperative teammates or not. You definitely can't just rely on their raw skill with no communication. You just have to hope for cooperation, or the other team being really bad.
I play basically any hero, with 5-16 hours on heroes relevant to the meta. And yes I do ask if people can switch sometimes but you're just likely to be called a cunt.
What game is this that you get to play and how I get in on it? Doesn't sound anything like OW Ranked I know.
Why a team? Most people around this rank aren't doing more than a duo queue on average on PC. Not to mention completely sidesteps the solo queue issue.
Vegetable Lasagna
Member
Thank god the coin flip is gone. Lost so many games we should have won because we got the wrong flip and a minute to do something. ugh
You just need to string together consecutive wins. After about 5 wins you're earning half of a rank level for each win. If you keep losing or don't win at least half of your games you start getting hit really hard.
You just need to string together consecutive wins. After about 5 wins you're earning half of a rank level for each win. If you keep losing or don't win at least half of your games you start getting hit really hard.
SmartWaffles
Member
I thought you only have to play games consecutively, not having to win them.
all good changes imo. hit solo queue 50 hell. it's a nebulous black hole of suffering with just enough hope to keep you trying.
teams refusing to team up, finally get a good game and someone on your team leaves, only for someone to join after the damage has already been done. wanting to spawn kill the attacking team only to easily be thwarted by 1 reaper. now when next season starts and i do my placement matches as a team and get placed in gold-platinum i don't have to worry about falling into the lesser tiers.
teams refusing to team up, finally get a good game and someone on your team leaves, only for someone to join after the damage has already been done. wanting to spawn kill the attacking team only to easily be thwarted by 1 reaper. now when next season starts and i do my placement matches as a team and get placed in gold-platinum i don't have to worry about falling into the lesser tiers.
I don't know exactly how it all works but I have noticed that consecutive wins do give half a rank. Consecutive losses also take a lot. My advice is to take advantage of winning streaks and to stop playing if you get 3 losses in a row. The thing is, you are always playing with a certain pool of players at any one time (this is why the same names frequently pop up). If you have a crappy pool today, you should try again the next day.
It's all about the streaks. With enough consecutive wins/losses, you can gain or drop an entire rank with a single game.
Shake Appeal
Member
The system still remembers the three losses when you start it up next time.
On the other hand, it's probably a good idea to stop after two or three straight defeats anyway, just because you're likely on tilt.
I hope the increased rating scale spreads out the player base. Right now its basically ranks 25-85 and everything else isn't used. Its why losing ranks sucks so much because the pool of players opens up drastically the nearer 50 you go. Meaning you can get games where the team average is 50 but the skill levels vary drastically. Add in leavers and its a mess.
This. Blizz can make all the changes they want but if they can't address the issue of people leaving mid-match then it's all for naught.
Saucycarpdog
Member
I agree there should be a higher penalty for leaving but why is there a point problem? People would just abuse the crap out of a system that gave teams with leavers less penalty for losing.
chrominance
Member
Is this a real thing or are people just saying this because of the psychological headspace you get into when you're winning/losing? Because if you actually get more rank loss/gain per game with consecutive losses/wins, then FUCKING BULLSHIT WHY DO THEY NEVER FUCKING TELL YOU THIS WHAT THE HELL BLIZZARD. I would be so pissed if it turns out the reason I dropped rank so goddamned quickly is because I had to quit way earlier than I did.
Winning match with leaver gives you next to no XP, but losing side gets full penalty of loss currently. No matter if leaver was in winning or loosing side. How that is fair? If you don't give full rewards to winner maybe don't give full penalty to loser?
finalflame
Gold Member
Not true, I've still gotten plenty of XP for finishing a match with a leaver on the opposing team. I'm pretty sure it just re-weighs taking into account the new player distribution.
With that said, leaver penalty should be much harsher -- probably a 24 hour lockout, and after 3 strikes a season ban.
MyNameIsRye
Member
People say this is a thing, but I don't see it. I won 5 or 6 games in a row, and only went up 1 and half ranks. That doesn't seem like a lot for 6 wins.
Huh? I have gotten next to nothing from matches that had quitter. No matter how well or badly I personally performed.
finalflame
Gold Member
I've definitely won matches where the opposing team had a quitter, yet myself and my teammates either got close to a normal amount of rank or even a bit more than usual.
The general theory is that the game has an internal, invisible MMR for you based on a number of factors far more complex than what you see externally. If you are close to that number, then your ranking up/down will be relatively sluggish, as the game is trying to fully re-adjust you from the "center". If your internal MMR is far below or far above your rank, based on a host of factors that determine your skill, then a win will theoretically boost you up further and down less. It's like wherever your internal MMR is compared to your rank will have sort of a gravitational pull on your ranks/losses.
However, this isn't confirmed. What I suspect is that the game takes the 3rd (and beyond) consecutive win or loss and makes a big adjustment in either direction. I have definitely noticed that from my 3rd consecutive wins onwards, I tend to snowball in rank gain and move up really fast. I don't usually go on long enough losing streaks to see myself snowball down, but typically if I do go on a tilt and get 3 consecutive losses, the third loss is a much greater rank loss than the first two.
At least this has been my observation getting placed at 34 due to a terrible 6-man group in placement matches and then climbing my way up to 60 on PC.
Solo queue 50 isn't that bad. 30s and 40s are hell.
All of these changes are for the better.
Don't forget the people who play Reaper or Genji all the time regardless of the situation and regardless of whether they are good with the characters! I see a lot more of those than people picking the snipers, to be honest.
Their matchmaking engine or equation they use has been insane in terms of being hot and cold. The entire black hole of the 50s is just broken the game changes easily after getting past 58 and if you go below 53 it's over. This problem with their matchmaking was easily noticable in Quickmatch and is juiced up to crazy degree in comp.
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Deleted member 325805
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Or the people who think it's acceptable to play a hero they have an hour total playtime with in ranked.
Psychological headspace? I mean... you can see the bar move, I wasn't hallucinating.
If you win like five games in a row the game assumes you're probably not in the right spot and starts advancing you faster to get you to where you should be. Vice versa for losses.
It's definitely a thing. I was on a streak last night and was gaining a rank for every win, whereas before I'd go up a little and it would take 2-3 wins to go up a rank.
Hello? This is Hailun!
Member
If they'd just hand out xp that even some the at considers individual performance id be happier
It's not XP, you're not levelling up.
This new system is going to fix so many of the misunderstandings the Season 1 system is causing. Can't wait for it, seems better in almost every respect.
On console once you hit low 50's you start to get roped in with 40's and it just takes 1 bad match to drop you below. Playing with team I hit 54 and was on pace for 56 had it not been for a couple coin flips. Those dropped me down to 52, did solo queue a week ago and and it was hell. Low was 49 and I managed to salvage a 51... Stopped playing until season 2.
I'm on console too. Low 40s and 30s is much, much worse than what you experienced.
Clearly kicking ass on Anubis tied 2-2, 6:40 to take 1st point, and teammate leaves, we cap it but not enough time to take the second point. Finally get a 6th person in but not till enemy team caps 1st point 5v6 couldnt stall long enough. They won in OT. Devastated.
Another time, we had a mercy, mercy kept having bad positioning, kept dying, they switched to torb, on attack. We lost.
On attack on volskaya, I'm Zarya, we got a Genji, bastion, Hanzo, widow, and roadhog
If that's not Hell idk what is.
Hello? This is Hailun!
Member
It's not a semantics issue.
Honestly I'm not sure what you were saying in the first post (Seems to be typo or two in there), but I'm guessing you mean that you want them to take into account individual performance more.
It does in some respects, but at the end of the day this is a team game.
Hello? This is Hailun!
Member
Oh, yes, sorry. Auto correct I guess.
But yes, I meant to say that I'd appreciate it if they took individual performance into consideration I would be happy.
There's no incentive to play if you're going to be penalized for a bad team.
Terrordactyl
Member
I'm confused by these posts, a 30 minute suspension is pretty brutal as is, what else can you do besides that?
I've got about 200 comp games played and I don't know that I've experienced an actual rage quitter more than 3 or 4 times. I see people get DC'd and come back like two minutes later, but actual dudes that leave us out to hang, not very often. I usually queue as a party of 2-4 for reference, rarely play solo.
Yeah, realistically you can't really do much. Especially because some people leave due to internet dropouts and legitimate disconnects.
Anecdotal evidence says they do. See: https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/4sgx1w/how_mmrrank_is_calculated_should_individual/
The problem is, there's no way to actually consistently compute "did this player outperform at his level?" and they have to rely on heuristics. They can't make it transparent because it's clearly flawed, and if they show you how it works people will just try to game it. There's also questions of whether such a thing is good in the first place, because it will irrevocably favor a certain kind of player or a certain kind of hero/role over others. Support mains complain about the opposite happening for them, that they seem to get less rating than the fighters in their groups. This is the problem with going beyond pure win-loss. No one is ever happy with the result. You think you might be happy with it but the fact that it likely already exists and you don't even notice just goes to show that you wouldn't be happy with it in the end anyway.
Kayo Police
Member
That's probably why, You're always in a group so you normally get matched with other groups. Solo Q is a whole another animal. Especially once you reach the lower ranks like the Low 50s/40s/30s RQ are rampant.
30 Minutes is nothing to be honest, you can go alt tab and watch a show for 30 minutes. If you legitimately leave a game and don't come back the first offense should be 24 hours. Each occurring offense after that should be double until you are banned for the reminder of the season.
The other day my internet disconnected and I was unable to get back into the game not for lack of trying. Are you suggesting that I should have been hit for a 24 hour ban for that?
Kayo Police
Member
If it stops others from ragequitting yes.
Absolutely idiotic and exactly why such a system is not, and never will be, in place.
They said they have a lot more to announce. This is mostly just addressing main competetive changes, so I wouldnt be surprised if that just doesnt fit here.
Also, looks like they're going back to what they originally wanted to do with tiers. I'm a fan of that, so sick of dropping to a bunch of people who just don't care to even try to do better, I'd at least like to get stuck in a tier where people at least where capable of trying at one point to pay attention to what's going on to reach a specific tier even if they're not consistently good.
Spacecowboy77
Member
There are several solutions to that problem, the obvious being to increase the time you can reconnect to the game without penalty.
Another solution is to allow other players to join the match in the middle, just like in solo queue. Of course, those who join should not suffer for the fact that they quite possibly joined a losing match but there are ways to relieve that (late joiners can not suffer penalty on losing, etc)