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[XxHANNERxX]

Usually, piracy involves circumnavigating whatever anti-piracy measures are in place. If piracy is possible on the system, then there will be piracy on the system. Online-check DRM isn't going to stop piracy if the process is avoided in modded consoles.

The only people who are affected by this type of DRM are legitimate customers.

Some people are feverishly clawing at the bottom of the barrel to justify this stuff.

As for used games, if I can't sell it when I'm done with it, then I'm sorry developers but unless you're game is offering me a hell of a lot of replay value, then I'm probably not going to be buying it at all. Does that improve your sale figures?

I don't think that is is clawing at anything. Some people just have a different perspective than you do is all. I just see nothing wrong is all.

You will be able to sell it when you are done, based on current information. There has been nothing stating that you can't, except people jumping the gun and deciding because it is not how it has always been it is inherently evil.

 

[Like the hat?]

Used games are great for consumers. As a consumer, that's all I care about.

 

[Absinthe]

I agree with Ben there. If you are that low income that you don't have broadband, you should probably not be buying a console that is all about being connected to the internet. Priorities, get them straight.

And what if you live in an area that doesn't provide broadband? Fuck them right?

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Used games are great for consumers. As a consumer, that's all I care about.

Exactly. As a consumer it's essentially your responsibility to get the best value for your money, and businesses are built to do the opposite to get as much money for as little as possible.

They are diametric opposites, nobody should be on their side.

 

[Dreamgazer]

What's funny about this whole conversation is that I can, quite reasonably, wait 3-6 months after a game launches and buy the thing, NEW, for at least half the price. Sometimes more if it sells particularly bad.

There are very very very few games (mainly Nintendo franchises) that keep their price high for more than 3 months.

So yeah. Whatever. Hooray used games dying. It doesn't matter when I can "lag" three months behind and still get the deals for the games.

That's exactly my point. It is ludicrous to think that placing restrictions on used games will have any kind of major impact on a game console. See my earlier comments regarding Steam, and the numerous articles out there about how Steam essentially saved the concept of the PC as a place that publishers can make money on games.

XBone != Steam.
Steam has actual competition to selling games on its platform.
Steam does not have a heavy interest to woo publishers.

And if you think that DD on PC means the end all be all for low price gaming, then look at the prince for for Starcraft II and Diablo III.

Starcraft II:Wings of Liberty and D3 were consistently sold at FULL price for close to 1 year after their release.
When you have no other option and they have no competition - then there's little to no incentive for them to drop the price.

 

[Duxxy3]

Used games are not killing the industry, if the industry is indeed dying.

It's high prices across that board that are dragging it down.

Consoles are $250 and games are $60+DLC for consumers. That's after nearly 8 years being on the market. The PS2 was $129 at this point in its life, games were commonly priced at $39 or $49. That was a much healthier market.

The toxic AAA market has poisoned executives minds into thinking that "go big or go home" is the only approach in gaming. Every publisher wants those Call of Duty numbers without the work of building up a franchise. They think that if you throw enough money at development and marketing that you'll sell 15 million copies, but it's simply not true.
The cost of a game is no longer just in the development, the cost is nearly doubled by marketing. Now a 20 million dollar game is 40 million and the sales expectations sky rocket. Last generation if a game sold 2 or 3 million copies it was considered a success. Now there's no guarantee that the game is even profitable with that many sold. That... is just insane!

Nintendo may suck at hardware, but they have software down. Their development budgets aren't crazy and they don't advertise nearly as much as the other publishers. Because of that their expectations are lower. A game doesn't need to sell much for them to make a profit. Sega has managed to use the same strategy, to good effect, the past few years (up until aliens anyhow).

If the industry continues to move towards 100% boner inducing AAA/AAAA titles this industry will crash under the weight of executive expectations. Large companies will blink out of existence with one failure.

 

[BigJoeGrizzly]

Do any of you have problems with the PC model as it currently stands? It seems to me both Microsoft AND Sony will be implementing models that are almost exactly like those practiced on the PC. If both companies provide the same options for discounts, promotions, sales, etc. on their games and other media, would you be willing to give up some of that consumer freedom as PC gamers do now?

 

[XxHANNERxX]

And what if you live in an area that doesn't provide broadband? Fuck them right?

I'm sorry? What else do you want me to say. At some point tech moves on. People will be left behind, sometimes due to things beyond their own control. You can't please all the people all the time. Just the way it is. If you can't afford broadband internet, then this is not the hobby for you at this time. And that's fine. It is an expensive hobby. Some can afford it and some, not so much unfortunately. There are plenty of things that I would like to do but can't afford. If I ever get to the point that I can afford it, great. If not, oh well. I just live within my means until I can afford it is all. Thats pretty much how the world works.

 

[Pyramid head]

I don't think that is is clawing at anything. Some people just have a different perspective than you do is all. I just see nothing wrong is all.

You will be able to sell it when you are done, based on current information. There has been nothing stating that you can't, except people jumping the gun and deciding because it is not how it has always been it is inherently evil.

I wouldn't describe the stance as 'evil', just entirely motivated by greed. There is no reason for anybody to defend this from a consumer standpoint because, while I'm sure it's great business, none of this is being done to improve things for the consumer.

As for 'still being able to sell games'... I'll wait and see.

 

[unbias]

Do any of you have problems with the PC model as it currently stands? It seems to me both Microsoft AND Sony will be implementing models that are almost exactly like those practiced on the PC. If both companies provide the same options for discounts, promotions, sales, etc. on their games and other media, would you be willing to give up some of that consumer freedom as PC gamers do now?

The only reason the PC model works is because of what Steam started. Are you saying that Sony and MS will start having deep discounts as a counter to the potential loss of an entire market?

 

[XxHANNERxX]

The only reason the PC model works is because of what Steam started. Are you saying that Sony and MS will start having deep discounts as a counter to the potential loss of an entire market?

I would hope so. If not, then they are missing the point. We will just have to wait and see is all.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

How many bags of Doritos, bottles of rogaine, and promises of dental surgery did they send PA to get this POS posted?

 

[Metroidvania]

Do any of you have problems with the PC model as it currently stands? It seems to me both Microsoft AND Sony will be implementing models that are almost exactly like those practiced on the PC. If both companies provide the same options for discounts, promotions, sales, etc. on their games and other media, would you be willing to give up some of that consumer freedom as PC gamers do now?

Disregarding the hypothetical that MS (and maybe Sony) will be the sole controlling company in determining price points and availability as opposed to other digital retailers existing with Steam, that depends on if you believe they'll be 'generous' to consumers in slashing price points, offering Steam quality deals and services for an equivalent price point of the cost of steam to you as a consumer, i.e. free.

Personally, I doubt it.

 

[unbias]

I'm sorry? What else do you want me to say. At some point tech moves on. People will be left behind, sometimes due to things beyond their own control. You can't please all the people all the time. Just the way it is. If you can't afford broadband internet, then this is not the hobby for you at this time. And that's fine. It is an expensive hobby. Some can afford it and some, not so much unfortunately. There are plenty of things that I would like to do but can't afford. If I ever get to the point that I can afford it, great. If not, oh well. I just live within my means until I can afford it is all. Thats pretty much how the world works.

There is no reason that it NEEDS to be connected though... They could very easily set this all up, but not force an always needed internet connection. Not only for those in rural or poorer area's, but so those of use who have a summer cabin, so we can take our game console to the fucking cabin.

 

[Artorias]

Wow, no reasoning provided at all, just a simple "companies will have more money, so maybe they'll cut prices."

Yes, that's precisely how business works, especially in NA.

 

[unbias]

I would hope so. If not, then they are missing the point. We will just have to wait and see is all.

What are you basing this off of? What track record have you seen from them, as a company, that even remotely gives you confidence that they will handle the "new market" like steam?

 

[spookyfish]

But Gamestop would never accept that original trade if person 2 wasn't going to buy the used game. Why shouldn't Gamestop benefit? They are the middleman. You just want them to give people free money and throw the discs away?

No, here's the problem. Tomb Raider sold 3.4m units in the space of a month and it's a "failure" because it will fail to recoup its budget.

THREE POINT FOUR MILLION FUCKING UNITS FOR WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY A B-TIER FRANCHISE AND THAT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE ANY MONEY.

And killing used games would have solved this how? Would it have made the execs at Squenix who thought throwing $100m budget at a franchise that's been irrelevant since the turn of the century suddenly get a clue?

Oh, but no, they argue "GAMERS PUSH FOR HIGHER AND HIGHER BUDGETS AND WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT! THEIR ENTITLEMENT COMPLEX CAN'T BE SATIATED! WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO LET BUDGETS SPIRAL OUT OF CONTROL!" and that's lovely, but since when did they ever give a fuck about what we actually thought?

Are Microsoft going to turn around and backtrack on this DRM fiasco because "WE HAVE TO GIVE GAMERS WHAT THEY WANT!"? Are they fuck.

Are EA going to throw all their games up on Steam and patch Sim City to not need the stupid Origin authentication because "THAT'S WHAT THOSE ENTITLED GAMERS ARE SCREAMING FOR!"? Fuck no.

If you couldn't afford to give people what they wanted, then why didn't you just turn around and say no like you do with every other thing we complain about? Here's why; Every publisher big and small decided to get into a dick waving contest and it turns out that not everyone has a big dick. Squenix got its tiny little acorn cock out and went up against Mandingo Activision screaming "LOOK AT MY MASSIVE JUNK! YOU'LL WANT TO CARE FOR IT!" and everyone just turned around and shrugged and bought something else.

Not everyone has a big dick. Acting like you have a big dick when you don't have a big dick is going to make the reveal of your tiny little penis all the more humiliating. And that's what happened here. Squenix acted like Tomb Raider, a franchise that habitually sells less than 3m lifetime per entry was going to suddenly sell COD numbers just because they spent $100m on it and guess what happened? THE FUCKING INEVITABLE.

In terms of the franchise post-Core, the game is going to do really well, probably double what you'd expect from a Tomb Raider game post-PSone but it cost far, far too much.

But no, it's all used games that did this. Used games made Capcom make some horrible design decisions on DmC and piss off the entire fanbase. Used games made Activision and EA flood the market with guitar games and accessories long after people stopped caring. Used games made Microsoft make a fourth Gears of War game that nobody asked for from a developer nobody cares about. Used games made Sony pump out another God of War game after they spent the past few years flooding the market with HD remasters. Used games made Sony make a Smash Bros clone with no appealing characters to help sell it. Used games made Bizarre Creations make James Bond and racing games no-one wanted. Used games make publishers shutter studios the moment the game they were working on goes gold, before they've even had a chance to sell a single new copy, let alone a used one.

I could go on. And on. And on. You could write a book about every single executive level screw-up this gen and yet these same people with their million dollar salaries and their shill puppets still try to insult our intelligence and blame used games and awful, entitled consumers for companies shutting and talented people losing their jobs.

So please forgive our cynicism when we don't want to buy into the bullshit you're spouting.

If we ever meet, I'm SO covering your drinks for the night. Seriously.

 

[Casimir]

I'm sorry? What else do you want me to say. At some point tech moves on. People will be left behind, sometimes due to things beyond their own control. You can't please all the people all the time. Just the way it is. If you can't afford broadband internet, then this is not the hobby for you at this time. And that's fine. It is an expensive hobby. Some can afford it and some, not so much unfortunately. There are plenty of things that I would like to do but can't afford. If I ever get to the point that I can afford it, great. If not, oh well. I just live within my means until I can afford it is all. Thats pretty much how the world works.

Except that this isn't a case of tech moving on. You're entire argument is flawed. The online requirement/registration adds nothing of value to the experience. It's only mandated so that Microsoft can potentially squeeze more money out of the same userbase. If this was a case of Microsoft pushing tech boundaries (something they haven't done in decades) you would have a point, but this is simply greed.

 

[JDSN]

Do any of you have problems with the PC model as it currently stands? It seems to me both Microsoft AND Sony will be implementing models that are almost exactly like those practiced on the PC. If both companies provide the same options for discounts, promotions, sales, etc. on their games and other media, would you be willing to give up some of that consumer freedom as PC gamers do now?

Will One have Steam, Greenmangaming, Amazon, Origin and GOG aside from MS Store?
If the answer is No, then its not the same model.

 

[7threst]

But Gamestop would never accept that original trade if person 2 wasn't going to buy the used game. Why shouldn't Gamestop benefit? They are the middleman. You just want them to give people free money and throw the discs away?

No, here's the problem. Tomb Raider sold 3.4m units in the space of a month and it's a "failure" because it will fail to recoup its budget.

THREE POINT FOUR MILLION FUCKING UNITS FOR WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY A B-TIER FRANCHISE AND THAT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE ANY MONEY.

And killing used games would have solved this how? Would it have made the execs at Squenix who thought throwing $100m budget at a franchise that's been irrelevant since the turn of the century suddenly get a clue?

Oh, but no, they argue "GAMERS PUSH FOR HIGHER AND HIGHER BUDGETS AND WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT! THEIR ENTITLEMENT COMPLEX CAN'T BE SATIATED! WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO LET BUDGETS SPIRAL OUT OF CONTROL!" and that's lovely, but since when did they ever give a fuck about what we actually thought?

Are Microsoft going to turn around and backtrack on this DRM fiasco because "WE HAVE TO GIVE GAMERS WHAT THEY WANT!"? Are they fuck.

Are EA going to throw all their games up on Steam and patch Sim City to not need the stupid Origin authentication because "THAT'S WHAT THOSE ENTITLED GAMERS ARE SCREAMING FOR!"? Fuck no.

If you couldn't afford to give people what they wanted, then why didn't you just turn around and say no like you do with every other thing we complain about? Here's why; Every publisher big and small decided to get into a dick waving contest and it turns out that not everyone has a big dick. Squenix got its tiny little acorn cock out and went up against Mandingo Activision screaming "LOOK AT MY MASSIVE JUNK! YOU'LL WANT TO CARE FOR IT!" and everyone just turned around and shrugged and bought something else.

Not everyone has a big dick. Acting like you have a big dick when you don't have a big dick is going to make the reveal of your tiny little penis all the more humiliating. And that's what happened here. Squenix acted like Tomb Raider, a franchise that habitually sells less than 3m lifetime per entry was going to suddenly sell COD numbers just because they spent $100m on it and guess what happened? THE FUCKING INEVITABLE.

In terms of the franchise post-Core, the game is going to do really well, probably double what you'd expect from a Tomb Raider game post-PSone but it cost far, far too much.

But no, it's all used games that did this. Used games made Capcom make some horrible design decisions on DmC and piss off the entire fanbase. Used games made Activision and EA flood the market with guitar games and accessories long after people stopped caring. Used games made Microsoft make a fourth Gears of War game that nobody asked for from a developer nobody cares about. Used games made Sony pump out another God of War game after they spent the past few years flooding the market with HD remasters. Used games made Sony make a Smash Bros clone with no appealing characters to help sell it. Used games made Bizarre Creations make James Bond and racing games no-one wanted. Used games make publishers shutter studios the moment the game they were working on goes gold, before they've even had a chance to sell a single new copy, let alone a used one.

I could go on. And on. And on. You could write a book about every single executive level screw-up this gen and yet these same people with their million dollar salaries and their shill puppets still try to insult our intelligence and blame used games and awful, entitled consumers for companies shutting and talented people losing their jobs.

So please forgive our cynicism when we don't want to buy into the bullshit you're spouting.

There is so much truth in this great post, that I hope it gets picked up by gaming media. But who am I fooling

 

[Zabant]

Do any of you have problems with the PC model as it currently stands?

Yes, I believe every customer has the right to sell something they have purchased. Luckily, my country agrees with me, most probably the reason xbox are implementing this "sell your digital games" marketplace.

My issue with it is it's a marketplace they completely control.

 

[BigJoeGrizzly]

But Gamestop would never accept that original trade if person 2 wasn't going to buy the used game. Why shouldn't Gamestop benefit? They are the middleman. You just want them to give people free money and throw the discs away?

No, here's the problem. Tomb Raider sold 3.4m units in the space of a month and it's a "failure" because it will fail to recoup its budget.

THREE POINT FOUR MILLION FUCKING UNITS FOR WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY A B-TIER FRANCHISE AND THAT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE ANY MONEY.

And killing used games would have solved this how? Would it have made the execs at Squenix who thought throwing $100m budget at a franchise that's been irrelevant since the turn of the century suddenly get a clue?

Oh, but no, they argue "GAMERS PUSH FOR HIGHER AND HIGHER BUDGETS AND WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT! THEIR ENTITLEMENT COMPLEX CAN'T BE SATIATED! WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO LET BUDGETS SPIRAL OUT OF CONTROL!" and that's lovely, but since when did they ever give a fuck about what we actually thought?

Are Microsoft going to turn around and backtrack on this DRM fiasco because "WE HAVE TO GIVE GAMERS WHAT THEY WANT!"? Are they fuck.

Are EA going to throw all their games up on Steam and patch Sim City to not need the stupid Origin authentication because "THAT'S WHAT THOSE ENTITLED GAMERS ARE SCREAMING FOR!"? Fuck no.

If you couldn't afford to give people what they wanted, then why didn't you just turn around and say no like you do with every other thing we complain about? Here's why; Every publisher big and small decided to get into a dick waving contest and it turns out that not everyone has a big dick. Squenix got its tiny little acorn cock out and went up against Mandingo Activision screaming "LOOK AT MY MASSIVE JUNK! YOU'LL WANT TO CARE FOR IT!" and everyone just turned around and shrugged and bought something else.

Not everyone has a big dick. Acting like you have a big dick when you don't have a big dick is going to make the reveal of your tiny little penis all the more humiliating. And that's what happened here. Squenix acted like Tomb Raider, a franchise that habitually sells less than 3m lifetime per entry was going to suddenly sell COD numbers just because they spent $100m on it and guess what happened? THE FUCKING INEVITABLE.

In terms of the franchise post-Core, the game is going to do really well, probably double what you'd expect from a Tomb Raider game post-PSone but it cost far, far too much.

But no, it's all used games that did this. Used games made Capcom make some horrible design decisions on DmC and piss off the entire fanbase. Used games made Activision and EA flood the market with guitar games and accessories long after people stopped caring. Used games made Microsoft make a fourth Gears of War game that nobody asked for from a developer nobody cares about. Used games made Sony pump out another God of War game after they spent the past few years flooding the market with HD remasters. Used games made Sony make a Smash Bros clone with no appealing characters to help sell it. Used games made Bizarre Creations make James Bond and racing games no-one wanted. Used games make publishers shutter studios the moment the game they were working on goes gold, before they've even had a chance to sell a single new copy, let alone a used one.

I could go on. And on. And on. You could write a book about every single executive level screw-up this gen and yet these same people with their million dollar salaries and their shill puppets still try to insult our intelligence and blame used games and awful, entitled consumers for companies shutting and talented people losing their jobs.

So please forgive our cynicism when we don't want to buy into the bullshit you're spouting.

LOL, awesome.

 

[RedNumberFive]

I agree with Ben there. If you are that low income that you don't have broadband, you should probably not be buying a console that is all about being connected to the internet. Priorities, get them straight.

Agreed. We need to encourage GameStop to move out of poor neighborhoods.

 

[unbias]

Will One have Steam, Greenmangaming, Amazon, Origin and GOG aside from MS Store?
If the answer is No, then its not the same model.

Competition? PSH overrated. Just trust MS to do right by the consumer... Dont like it? Just deal with it and dont buy it, quit talking about it(unless you support the idiotic idea, of course).

 

[BigJoeGrizzly]

Yes, I believe every customer has the right to sell something they have purchased. Luckily, my country agrees with me, most probably the reason xbox are implementing this "sell your digital games" marketplace.

My issue with it is it's a marketplace they completely control.

To play devil's advocate, Apple completely controls their marketplace and nobody seems to give a shit. Why should Microsoft be any different?

 

[zkylon]

price drops rofl

ben kuchera, please

 

[LuchaShaq]

This fool kuchera and publishers are in for a rude awakening in terms of how low new and sales will be when people can't resell their old ones for shit.

 

[LuchaShaq]

To play devil's advocate, Apple completely controls their marketplace and nobody seems to give a shit. Why should Microsoft be any different?

Noone cares be sues iOS games are a fuckibg dollar

 

[Casimir]

To play devil's advocate, Apple completely controls their marketplace and nobody seems to give a shit. Why should Microsoft be any different?

Lower barrier to entry. Additionally it's on a platform that provides significant value outside of video games.

 

[unbias]

This fool kuchera and publishers are in for a rude awakening in terms of how low new and sales will be when people can't resell their old ones for shit.

Oh come on, trying to actively discourage an entire industry(second hand market) has no chance of having an adversely destructive effect the total economy of this industry! It will be business as usual, and all those people who buy used games, instead will just buy the new games at the exact same frequency!

 

[Minions]

To play devil's advocate, Apple completely controls their marketplace and nobody seems to give a shit. Why should Microsoft be any different?

Microsoft does not run a Cult last time I checked. Seriously though. If Apple made a console I think people would have just as much issue with it. The issue here is we are going from open to closed.... apple has always been closed.

 

[unbias]

To play devil's advocate, Apple completely controls their marketplace and nobody seems to give a shit. Why should Microsoft be any different?

Are you being serious right now? Apple has been loosing its market share since October, this isn't a debatable statement.

 

[jay]

To play devil's advocate, Apple completely controls their marketplace and nobody seems to give a shit. Why should Microsoft be any different?

To add to what's been said before, aren't most programs compatible with new devices? MS is now proud to not have BC because it's backwards.

On the other side of things, plenty of people do give a shit that Apple is controlling and advocate for more open systems. "Nobody" is an exaggeration.

 

[Var]

To play devil's advocate, Apple completely controls their marketplace and nobody seems to give a shit. Why should Microsoft be any different?

I have Steam on my Mac.

 

[mightynine]

To play devil's advocate, Apple completely controls their marketplace and nobody seems to give a shit. Why should Microsoft be any different?

I had to think about this because I've got a lot of money in iTunes and such, and there's just not the level of hoops to jump through: iTunes doesn't check back with home base to authenticate my music purchases (the main thing I've bought from there), and if I want a friend to check out an album, there's ways to do that.

Also when it comes to mobile games, you're dealing with two completely different price points. It's one thing when the game cost nothing or a couple of bucks to play, opposed to $60. "Loaning" a game isn't really needed in that scenario.

In the end, it's not about the delivery mechanism, it's the approach to it. MS's approach rubs me the wrong way, especially of the fact that buying a physical copy of the game means I'm not really buying the game.

 

[Hero]

Ben Kuchera doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about.

 

[Cromat]

The used game thing is basically turning games from a durable good (which you can resell) to a service (which you can't), while charging the same price. At this point we have no reason to expect Steam-like prices. I doubt that would happen unless the system runs into trouble.

 

[bro1]

Oh come on, trying to actively discourage an entire industry(second hand market) has no chance of having an adversely destructive effect the total economy of this industry! It will be business as usual, and all those people who buy used games, instead will just buy the new games at the exact same frequency!

If I couldn't sell my used car to buy a new one, I don't think I would buy a new car as frequent.

 

[jschreier]

But Gamestop would never accept that original trade if person 2 wasn't going to buy the used game. Why shouldn't Gamestop benefit? They are the middleman. You just want them to give people free money and throw the discs away?

No, here's the problem. Tomb Raider sold 3.4m units in the space of a month and it's a "failure" because it will fail to recoup its budget.

THREE POINT FOUR MILLION FUCKING UNITS FOR WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY A B-TIER FRANCHISE AND THAT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE ANY MONEY.

And killing used games would have solved this how? Would it have made the execs at Squenix who thought throwing $100m budget at a franchise that's been irrelevant since the turn of the century suddenly get a clue?

Oh, but no, they argue "GAMERS PUSH FOR HIGHER AND HIGHER BUDGETS AND WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT! THEIR ENTITLEMENT COMPLEX CAN'T BE SATIATED! WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO LET BUDGETS SPIRAL OUT OF CONTROL!" and that's lovely, but since when did they ever give a fuck about what we actually thought?

Are Microsoft going to turn around and backtrack on this DRM fiasco because "WE HAVE TO GIVE GAMERS WHAT THEY WANT!"? Are they fuck.

Are EA going to throw all their games up on Steam and patch Sim City to not need the stupid Origin authentication because "THAT'S WHAT THOSE ENTITLED GAMERS ARE SCREAMING FOR!"? Fuck no.

If you couldn't afford to give people what they wanted, then why didn't you just turn around and say no like you do with every other thing we complain about? Here's why; Every publisher big and small decided to get into a dick waving contest and it turns out that not everyone has a big dick. Squenix got its tiny little acorn cock out and went up against Mandingo Activision screaming "LOOK AT MY MASSIVE JUNK! YOU'LL WANT TO CARE FOR IT!" and everyone just turned around and shrugged and bought something else.

Not everyone has a big dick. Acting like you have a big dick when you don't have a big dick is going to make the reveal of your tiny little penis all the more humiliating. And that's what happened here. Squenix acted like Tomb Raider, a franchise that habitually sells less than 3m lifetime per entry was going to suddenly sell COD numbers just because they spent $100m on it and guess what happened? THE FUCKING INEVITABLE.

In terms of the franchise post-Core, the game is going to do really well, probably double what you'd expect from a Tomb Raider game post-PSone but it cost far, far too much.

But no, it's all used games that did this. Used games made Capcom make some horrible design decisions on DmC and piss off the entire fanbase. Used games made Activision and EA flood the market with guitar games and accessories long after people stopped caring. Used games made Microsoft make a fourth Gears of War game that nobody asked for from a developer nobody cares about. Used games made Sony pump out another God of War game after they spent the past few years flooding the market with HD remasters. Used games made Sony make a Smash Bros clone with no appealing characters to help sell it. Used games made Bizarre Creations make James Bond and racing games no-one wanted. Used games make publishers shutter studios the moment the game they were working on goes gold, before they've even had a chance to sell a single new copy, let alone a used one.

I could go on. And on. And on. You could write a book about every single executive level screw-up this gen and yet these same people with their million dollar salaries and their shill puppets still try to insult our intelligence and blame used games and awful, entitled consumers for companies shutting and talented people losing their jobs.

So please forgive our cynicism when we don't want to buy into the bullshit you're spouting.

Bravo.

 

[unbias]

If I couldn't sell my used car to buy a new one, I don't think I would buy a new car as frequent.

This is literally amazon used books all over again, only this industry is filled with fucking morons.

 

[Guevara]

This fool kuchera and publishers are in for a rude awakening in terms of how low new and sales will be when people can't resell their old ones for shit.

Yes, in fact the entire industry will shrink. Reducing readership on sites like Kuchera's.

Game industry publications, if they were smart, would be all about growing the industry.

 

[unbias]

Yes, in fact the entire industry will shrink. Reducing readership on sites like Kuchera's.

Game industry publications, if they were smart, would be all about growing the industry.

The second hand market doesn't grow an industry! Didn't you know this? GOSH!

 

[Mindwipe]

Ben Kuchera is a fucking terrible writer. This is nearly as offensively stupid as his censorship piece earlier this year.

I don't understand why Penny Arcade wants to take the reputation hit by associating with him.

 

[FlyFaster]

Well, consider me done with that fucking site for good.

 

[bro1]

The second hand market doesn't grow an industry! Didn't you know this? GOSH!

That's a pretty blanket statement. Cars, boats, and many other hobbies depend on people selling their old items before you buy a new one. Hell, when I used to have horses we would typically have to sell one before buying another.

 

[BigJoeGrizzly]

Noone cares be sues iOS games are a fuckibg dollar

And to utilize those benefits, you have to spend money on overpriced Apple products compared to their contemporaries. Price of entry is MUCH higher on average than other products, PLUS you're dealing with a much more closed Apple system.

Lower barrier to entry. Additionally it's on a platform that provides significant value outside of video games.

Apple products have on average the HIGHEST barriers of entry of any computer-based device in the industry. With Microsoft's current philosophy with Xbox One, don't you think they will ALSO provide significant value outside of just videogames?

Are you being serious right now? Apple has been loosing its market share since October, this isn't a debatable statement.

https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:AAPL

They seem to be doing just fine to me, better than most right now I'd say...

 

[unbias]

That's a pretty blanket statement. Cars, boats, and many other hobbies depend on people selling their old items before you buy a new one. Hell, when I used to have horses we would typically have to sell one before buying another.

I'm being very sarcastic right now. The second hand market in most circumstances is a massive boost to an industry, my 1st post in this topic is defending the 2dn hand market in a very detailed way.

 

[jay]

They seem to be doing just fine to me, better than most right now I'd say...

So now that the nobody cares thing is demonstrated as something you made up, what is your point here? That unless everyone cares about Apple's closed system no one should care about what MS is doing?

I'm being very sarcastic right now. The second hand market in most circumstances is a massive boost to an industry, my 1st post in this topic is defending the 2dn hand market in a very detailed way.

To be fair, in order to tell you were being sarcastic he would have had to read two posts up from the post he quoted.

 

[mightynine]

And to utilize those benefits, you have to spend money on overpriced Apple products compared to their contemporaries. Price of entry is MUCH higher on average than other products, PLUS you're dealing with a much more closed Apple system.

...

Apple products have on average the HIGHEST barriers of entry of any computer-based device in the industry.

So now the Xbox One ISN'T a high-end machine?

 

[Zabant]

To play devil's advocate, Apple completely controls their marketplace and nobody seems to give a shit.

Nothing is an issue until enough people care.

Why should Microsoft be any different?

Big box gaming's second hand market has always been huge, to the point where second hand games fund the consumer to buy new games, the store I work for (CeX) makes most of it's money through second hand games. There will be a torrent of people against Microsoft doing this sort of thing, that's the main difference, the public and corporate opposition.

As for apple, there has never been a market for second hand apps so people don't expect it, the secondhand music market has been irrelevant since the introduction of the .mp3 format. If people don't want to pay for music, they pirate it due to how incredibly easy it is.

Gaming will be the final frontier for the all digital future, it's the only large digital media market that still has a huge secondhand sector. If sony offer a platform where the old ways are still viable, people will flock to them and stores will have much larger shelf space dedicated to that platform. Nobody will see the xbox because nobody will be playing or supporting it outside of the few diehards.

How this plays out is just a matter of waiting. My money is on sony, the AAA industry cannot be supported on an all digital future that blocks second hand at this point in time. The casual gamer that cannot afford to buy new wont suddenly be able to afford it, they will move on to something else. The hardcore gamer that cant afford will find other methods to satiate their habit.