It's an hypothetical scenario if Microsoft was to make an handheld to show there's no space for another player in the gaming handheld business.
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Pachter: "The handheld market sucks", "PS Vita is a joke" and more.
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It's an hypothetical scenario if Microsoft was to make an handheld to show there's no space for another player in the gaming handheld business.
It makes more sense if MS pushed a tablet with the xbox 3, especially if they are trying to be an entertainment hub.
Because 'reaching the moon' sounds totally serious
Because 'reaching the moon' sounds totally serious
Chaos Theory
Banned
since forever, this guy is an idiot.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
Analyst Journlisms
Pretty much. Don't get why people are blinded by this moron's speculation.
He doesn't do the Gametrailers show for a paycheck and his actual career is far more complicated than just throwing out predictions for fun.
He didn't get an MBA just to fuck with internet message board posters.
Duxxy3
Member
Pokemon along with another price drop could get the 3DS back on track in the west.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
This is the best thing that has happened to the Vita maybe ever.
Cut out some of the gimmicky stuff, switch it to microSD, lower the price and I'm in. Refuse to buy anything that uses proprietary memory in 2013.
I believe that anyone in that position should try to talk into a more professional way when getting this type of attention. You can still make a point but, in a polite manner. It seems that, talking like this is just an easier way to generate more negative talk.
I have no idea how the Vita sales are, right now. I can only say that I got one myself last week and with a (Euro) PS Plus subscription it's an amazing device. Perhaps the focus on portable gaming is more directed to Iphones and similar devices? Again, I'm not on par with the selling numbers on the market, just wondering.
I have no idea how the Vita sales are, right now. I can only say that I got one myself last week and with a (Euro) PS Plus subscription it's an amazing device. Perhaps the focus on portable gaming is more directed to Iphones and similar devices? Again, I'm not on par with the selling numbers on the market, just wondering.
The 3DS was released in 2011, and it's performance thus far has been:
Top-selling gaming system worldwide in 2011 (consoles included)
Top-selling gaming system worldwide in 2012 (consoles included)
It will certainly be the top-selling gaming system worldwide in 2013 (consoles included)
But it can't be thought of as a success...
Father_Brain
Banned
Glad to see he's becoming more realistic.
KingItachi
Member
It does not matter who he criticize he will be bashed anyway.
Exactly.
Saying Vita is a joke and nobody owns one is just junior member levels of trolling.
Quite serious, more provocative, showing I believed the situation would change significantly and that it had good potential. But yeah it's pretty clear it's not a floodgate situation, which is a shame.
Ditto with your predictions about Vita's imminent discontinuation
Well, not everyone is bound by GAF's civility guidelines ;P Plus he's doing an entertainment show, aimed at GT's audience.
Not to say I agree with him or his ways, but we at GAF shouldn't be this easy to get riled up when that is his very intent.
The new handheld have been looking better and better lately even if they're not doing as good as the previous gen. There's a lot of the way to 3DS and we've had some good games the past week according to the reviews...looks worse for the Vita though, not too excited about remakes or indie games I already played on PC but there are definitely people that are excited about that.
I would have been happy if the Vita was just a more powerful PSP without the touchy stuff, which I find totally unnecessary. They tried too hard to mimic mobile gaming and I bet that raised the cost of it a lot.
Pachter sounded a bit too harsh this time. Maybe he's just bad with words or w/e he said last time he made a weird statement.
I would have been happy if the Vita was just a more powerful PSP without the touchy stuff, which I find totally unnecessary. They tried too hard to mimic mobile gaming and I bet that raised the cost of it a lot.
Pachter sounded a bit too harsh this time. Maybe he's just bad with words or w/e he said last time he made a weird statement.
Father_Brain
Banned
Ditto with your predictions about Vita's imminent discontinuation
No, I haven't changed those recently.
That's puzzling. PS4 is designed around it quite a bit. The force must be strong if you still think otherwise.
...and they're all going to be FREE on EU PlayStation Plus!
I should consider getting a Vita when it becomes more affordable, I've already got quite the backlog for it
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Currently saving up for a second-hand 3DS
Most of that money is made through sales of Vita's comedy CD.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Another price drop is a little unlikely since they just started making a profit on the thing again.
Sentenza
Member
You can.
Deified Data
Banned
The worst thing about the Vita is that it's almost too good...
Probably, he's likely been reading about how he is a joke quite a lot around here, must have picked it up. Otherwise it's not really a joke, more like a possible worrying sign of things to come.
Well, he's right. The best games of 2013 so far are iOS exclusive while Vita and 3DS cling to scraps as farmed out ports of indie games done better on PC and Mac and B-tier Nintendo franchises such as Luigi's Mansion. I enjoy my 3DS, and less so my Vita, but they're looking increasingly marginalized in the West.
PaulExcellent
Member
But...
I like my 3DS...
I like my 3DS...
Admiral Bone to Pick
Banned
Sony shouldn't have tried to make the Vita a do-it-all premium gaming device. They should have just made it a cheaper ($150 or less) device which has high-end graphics and few other features.
What? This is the worst argument ever! It's competing against systems which have been out for anything from 5 to almost 10 years now. It's also outselling the Vita and Wii U, but those systems are considered abject failures with anemic sales.
What? This is the worst argument ever! It's competing against systems which have been out for anything from 5 to almost 10 years now. It's also outselling the Vita and Wii U, but those systems are considered abject failures with anemic sales.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
hypostatic
Member
That's nothing to complain about!
Pretty much. Amazing hardware, amazing launch period, and everything else has been awful since. It's a shame too, considering how great of a device it is.
The handheld market sucks so much that Nintendo posted their best ever Fire Emblem sales on it.
Snarkyness aside... He's actually pretty much right on all this stuff. The 3DS is a great product for hardcore gamers and playing Nintendo games but barring a surprise mainstream crossover success (Animal Crossing?) it's unlikely that'll achieve the sales of the DS. The Vita is a great product looking for a market. Many folks who bought a PSP for MP3/Video and pure gadget lust are going to be much better satisfied with the latest hot smartphone.
Snarkyness aside... He's actually pretty much right on all this stuff. The 3DS is a great product for hardcore gamers and playing Nintendo games but barring a surprise mainstream crossover success (Animal Crossing?) it's unlikely that'll achieve the sales of the DS. The Vita is a great product looking for a market. Many folks who bought a PSP for MP3/Video and pure gadget lust are going to be much better satisfied with the latest hot smartphone.
Father_Brain
Banned
Huh, I must have missed the part of the Feb. 20 event where Sony announced a free Vita bundled with every PS4.
Sarcasm aside, using Vita as a completely optional controller/streaming accessory does not equate to "design[ing PS4] around it quite a bit," and selling Vita as a $200 accessory to a $400 console is neither a short-term nor a long-term strategy; it seems more like flailing about for something vaguely resembling one.
Also: please, god, no List Warz.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Damn this just makes me more and more excited for April when Europe finally gets it.
dreamer3kx
Member
Im playing both my Vita and 3ds so much more then my ps3 and pc at the moment, really good shit.
I agree with Pachter regarding the Vita.
The problems with the Vita are:
1.) It's demographic doesn't exist. Cool 20-somethings aren't going to lug around a Vita and actually play them in public. Playing a handheld in college, on the bus, at the library isn't perceived as cool, therefore it isn't. Also, kids don't see anything on there they want to play, as all the games are aimed at older players.
2.) Expensive proprietary memory sticks. A decent amount of memory shouldn't be more than $20.
3.) Handheld players aren't looking for console sized games for their handhelds. Handheld players, for the most part, want a quick distraction while they get from point A to point B. If they wanted to play a big huge time consuming game, they'll play on their PS3.
I think Sony tried to cater too much to the GAF-styled gamer with this product, but GAF styled players are just a very small portion of the gaming community.
The problems with the Vita are:
1.) It's demographic doesn't exist. Cool 20-somethings aren't going to lug around a Vita and actually play them in public. Playing a handheld in college, on the bus, at the library isn't perceived as cool, therefore it isn't. Also, kids don't see anything on there they want to play, as all the games are aimed at older players.
2.) Expensive proprietary memory sticks. A decent amount of memory shouldn't be more than $20.
3.) Handheld players aren't looking for console sized games for their handhelds. Handheld players, for the most part, want a quick distraction while they get from point A to point B. If they wanted to play a big huge time consuming game, they'll play on their PS3.
I think Sony tried to cater too much to the GAF-styled gamer with this product, but GAF styled players are just a very small portion of the gaming community.
