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Pachter: "The handheld market sucks", "PS Vita is a joke" and more.
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andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
like consoles above $400.
MS doesn't even need to enter the handheld market when it can't even make a successful business in the phone/tablet market. They've simply have no idea what they're doing in that space, and the fact that they're spreading their poisoned concepts to their actual successful products in an effort to justify them is more worrisome.
Holy fucking overrated, but there it is.
HolyBaikal
Banned
Microsoft lost their way because they had a lot of gamers on board?
I swear this guy hates games.
I swear this guy hates games.
exhibit A: NPD threads for the past 2 years. Microsoft is doing fine.
When comparing games on forums, Metacritic, like IGN reviews, are apparently of no value, until they are, until they aren't.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Generalizations about avatars always make you look like an idiot.
Anime chicks with pink hair in wedding dresses are lame.
Trent Strong
Banned
He said the Vita has wonderful, wonderful, wonderful hardware. He said wonderful three times. How many more times does he have to say it?
It will be using the Vita to mimic Wii U's feature of off-tv play (remote has been stated to be a key part - each game will have to have a control scheme for the Vita). I suspect the separate CPU may also be used for streaming too. They can't advertise those features if the product required to use them is discontinued. It's not the long-term strategy, it's clearly supplementation, it's fantastic that they are offering such support with their home console.
You certainly did. I downloaded that game a short bit ago and it was interesting, but as good as Fire Emblem?
Hell no and I don't even own a 3DS. I'm just surprised it was that well reviewed is all, people have very low standards for mobile gaming. It's just very difficult to be disappointed by a $2.99 purchase, I get it.
Vita is awesome, but he is right in that there's not much of a market for it. I'm okay with that; I just want it to continue selling enough to keep getting good games.
Oh I agree. If it instead had released on Vita or 3DS and never been an iOS game I would have no doubt it would have got average ratings. That's just the nature of it being reviewed primarily from mobile sites, where, as you said, the standards are lower.
Oh I agree. If it instead had released on Vita or 3DS and never been an iOS game I would have no doubt it would have got average ratings. That's just the nature of it being reviewed primarily from mobile sites, where, as you said, the standards are lower.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
you're still playing into it with the passive aggressiveness, I think
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Vita is awesome, but I do wonder why Sony released it when they didn't (until recently, and that's still not a full push) see any need to put in any effort at all.
Oh god, the Super Crate Box guy is involved in that Fishing one. I shouldn't download it, lest I disappear into a hole of addiction again.
Oh god, the Super Crate Box guy is involved in that Fishing one. I shouldn't download it, lest I disappear into a hole of addiction again.
The handheld gaming market doesn't suck it just changed.
It's all about iOS and Android. Tons of money to be made there.
Sony was in the perfect position to make a gaming phone that would cater to both markets.
I could have lived with the PSP Go shape and functionality with a touchscreen and Android built in. Dual analog sticks of course.
Had Sony released such a thing that would be my phone right now.
It's all about iOS and Android. Tons of money to be made there.
Sony was in the perfect position to make a gaming phone that would cater to both markets.
I could have lived with the PSP Go shape and functionality with a touchscreen and Android built in. Dual analog sticks of course.
Had Sony released such a thing that would be my phone right now.
Like the Xperia Play?
I'm sure that's the biggest problem, they'd sell a lot more Vitas to PS+ subscribers if they were cheaper which would in turn increase the user base and give the system some momentum.
Of course then the issue becomes how do you sell games to people that never need to actually buy a Vita game.
Or maybe he's right and the Vita is just too good.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Better to be passive aggressive than make a horrible argument with no backup.
So? He then went on to say the Vita sucks, when he meant it isn't selling well. What he said doesn't excuse him of his poor articulation.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Why?
Father_Brain
Banned
An accessory is an accessory. Vita can't be both supplementary and something that PS4 is designed around.
While Sony only talked about Vita streaming at the 2/20 conference, their "Remote Play" slide also included images of smartphones and tablets, which raises questions about how essential Vita really is for that purpose.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Isn't that really the case for all games involving any exclusivity whatsoever?
It sucks as a product, from a business perspective, which is what Patcher speaks from. While I think you're right that it's not a great way of saying it, context makes what he's saying not really that strong.
Yes but with Vita hardware so it can actually play Vita games. And dual analog sticks rather than the touchpad.
Well, I guess that makes sense. Just seems out of place for a "professional" to say that, though it is Pachter, but everything else he says is agreeable with me.
Because then they wouldn't be tied to decrepit platforms and outdated business models while having the potential to reach a significantly broader audience.
The Mana Legend
Banned
The handheld market doesn't suck, although it's on a decline. I agree with him that the Vita is a joke (even though I know he's talking about it in terms of sales), though. Seriously one of the worst first years I've ever experienced with a system, and I absolutely regret buying it, even though I got it for only $125. The future for it looks absolutely grim, which sucks since the hardware itself is so good.
Oh well, I have Ys to look forward to.
Oh well, I have Ys to look forward to.
Browser games suck so bad though.
Father_Brain
Banned
BTW, I see where Pachter is coming from on PS4/Durango. While there are far too many unknowns to make any real prediction, the "entertainment box" approach seems better suited for the 2013 market to me than Sony's seeming approach of focusing on core gaming with high-end graphics as the primary differentiator.
but you gotta admit it is a pretty slick device, and 125 that's pretty much a steal since PSPs still cost around that
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Games support the platform, not the other way round. If you want something on a particular platform, you buy said platform. It works that way for everything, on an exclusive basis moreso. Is the potential amount of sales on an iOS version of Animal Crossing enough to make Nintendo abandon the 3DS, or worse really, have a version that's 3 times more expensive on the 3DS competing with the iOS version? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever from a business point of view. More platforms doesn't always mean more sales.
It had one of the best first years I've ever experienced with a system.
GhostOfLawlight
Banned
So, why aren't western devs supporting the 3DS then?
PreyingShark
Member
While he said it weirdly, his overall point - that with the shrunken handheld market there's no room left for additional competitors - is spot-on.
See, the main issue they had was that they didn't really release any big system sellers in the West last year. The most profile title was NSMB2 and NSMB games are less system sellers and more of a staple that people get after they already own the system. Other than that they did release some good titles but nothing to actually sell consoles.
This year, however, they already have at least one huge holiday system seller - Pokemon - so that title alone makes this year's line-up 100x better from a business standpoint.
See, the main issue they had was that they didn't really release any big system sellers in the West last year. The most profile title was NSMB2 and NSMB games are less system sellers and more of a staple that people get after they already own the system. Other than that they did release some good titles but nothing to actually sell consoles.
This year, however, they already have at least one huge holiday system seller - Pokemon - so that title alone makes this year's line-up 100x better from a business standpoint.