Illithid Dude
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Remember the leap between Uncharted and Uncharted 2? The PS4 graphics are going to get exponentially better.
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Pachter was right about PS4 graphics
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When I think of the PS3 and Xbox360 I think of consoles that struggled to display games at an acceptable resolution. Image quality was extremely poor even with assets garbled and worlds often shrunken. It is hard to convey that visual jump through streams or internet videos.
Nothing impressed me as much as what was shown during the PS3 unveiling. Not a single game shown tonight had me going "Yeah, gotta get a PS4 to play that."
If you think people were jizzing over the graphics then you missed the point and should probably actually investigate to why people were excited over it.
If you think people were jizzing over the graphics then you missed the point and should probably actually investigate to why people were excited over it.
Phonomezer
Banned
PS3 games:
I just played through that horrible level yesterday. It isn't impressive.
Meanwhile, I'm surprised that people are saying what was shown today WASN'T impressive! I think the games look great, Killzone looked fantastic before everything turned grey and orange ;P
The jump in graphics was instantly recognizable last gen and before though. Even with pre-launch software
Moff
Member
apart from the capcom dragon engine demo, it was really disappointing and definitely not a big leap from the best looking curren gen games. especially considering that this was a very long generation, the actual playable demos from yesterday were not nearly as impressive as the last gen launch titles.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Not really somebody can throw up some killzone 3 gifs and GT5 and I can honestly say they did not blow anything out of the water.
That deep down dragon thing on the other hand that blew some shit out the water if its real.
Glorified G
Member
Funny, I remember plenty of "xbox 1.5" comments.
ThisWreckage
Banned
It is deeply foolish to compare late generation titles with launch titles that are likely still in their alpha stages.
The graphical leaps are pretty clear to me, and these are just early games. Games a couple years or more from now will be even more impressive.
As a side note, I just realized one positive side effect from today's footage is that I don't expect to see this overused X gif anymore.
Funny how people can be so far apart on graphical impressions. On one hand, you have people saying tonight's showings aren't impressive, and on the other hand you have people thinking the above gif shows how Wii U wipes the floor with current gen graphics.
The thing about the X gif IMO is having that mech in a Xenoblade style game is awesome rather than the graphics being amazing.
George Claw M.D.
Member
I understand why many are excited over it. It's the next evolution of an RPG that many people loved. Yet, there were some people who used it in defense of Wii U when people would blast it's graphical prowess. Never said everyone jizzed over it for the same reasons.
Baconsammy
Banned
Killzone, yes. Not sure why people think that. The Capcom crap though. Not sure who they thought they were fooling.
alexandros
Banned
Graphics were as expected, I was not surprised in the least. An improvement over current gen (it bloody well should be, after all this time) but nothing really groundbreaking. It was certainly a much smaller leap than previous generations.
So TES6 will look almost as good?
What people are you referring to? Are they in this thread?
Codeblew
Member
Plus no CG. Except for maybe that Capcom game.
I think media is pretty biased against car games.
Eight Diagram Bat Fighter
Banned
I don't think you or patcher understand leaps. The tech they showed was amazing and a huge upgrade from what the ps3 could do.
FallingSputnik
Member
Wow, I didn't think anyone would be undermining the graphics. Considering how amazing some of these launch/launch window titles will look, I can't wait to see what developers will be putting together in a few years.
Killzone looked incredible. Then they started playing and it was another fps. Nothing got me excited gameplay wise. Poor show for me. Hype lowered
Exactly! the gfx's looked great but then he started playing and it was regular old killzone again. If the character would've ran, jumped of the building gliding down to the massive city below and proceeded to run anywhere he could. chasing down enemies, then I would've been impressed.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Why all of the sudden is this now foolish? Past gens it wasnt. Next gen dont get special care. Just because of statement like these you truly know the jump was not so big.
StreetsAhead
Member
Was Killzone pre-recorded footage or was it live on-stage? (Yes, I know there was a guy holding a controller, that means jack).
iamshadowlark
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It looks in-engine to say the least. There are plenty of flaws you get from real time rendering.
I've always been impressed by Playstation graphics. Todays conference was no exception, always pushing consoles to the brim of graphical play.
I just want to see how the PS4 brings new gameplay features forward. I mean I saw none of that.
Did they use that touchpad? No. Whats it good for? We don't know.
Tech demos on graphics and social connecting, thats all I saw today. Don't get me wrong I loved the share button but next time around I want to see actual gameplay over these titles. That's what is lucrative to me, and will make me want to buy one of these new next gen hardware.
WiiU couldn't even get the reveal right so I will atleast give sony some props on building hype towards their event and their unveil. Though I was very dissapointed and I guess my standards were too high (all I wanted to see was gameplay of infamous and killzone).
If its only for graphics and gaikai streaming between PS4 and vita, I could just stay on the PS3, because the graphical leap isin't that significant as some of you mentioned. The main thing is gameplay.
No I don't want some shitty wiiU motion control/ touch screen bullshit. I would have bought a wiiU for that, but todays reveal showed nothing on new gimmicks besides the sheer power of the beast that is PS4.
For someone who has a gameplay first mentality it doesn't mean much.
I just want to see how the PS4 brings new gameplay features forward. I mean I saw none of that.
Did they use that touchpad? No. Whats it good for? We don't know.
Tech demos on graphics and social connecting, thats all I saw today. Don't get me wrong I loved the share button but next time around I want to see actual gameplay over these titles. That's what is lucrative to me, and will make me want to buy one of these new next gen hardware.
WiiU couldn't even get the reveal right so I will atleast give sony some props on building hype towards their event and their unveil. Though I was very dissapointed and I guess my standards were too high (all I wanted to see was gameplay of infamous and killzone).
If its only for graphics and gaikai streaming between PS4 and vita, I could just stay on the PS3, because the graphical leap isin't that significant as some of you mentioned. The main thing is gameplay.
No I don't want some shitty wiiU motion control/ touch screen bullshit. I would have bought a wiiU for that, but todays reveal showed nothing on new gimmicks besides the sheer power of the beast that is PS4.
For someone who has a gameplay first mentality it doesn't mean much.
speculawyer
Member
Well what did you expect to happen? We went from NTSC to ATSC HDTV with the PS2 to PS3 jump. But our screen resolution did not change this generation. It was a completely obvious observation of his.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Rose tinted goggles. Name one game shown at the 360 or PS3 actual launch partys that absolutely eclipsed what was available on the previous systems.
M_A_C
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alexandros
Banned
When I first saw Oblivion running, my jaw dropped.
Because it was sd to hd.
walking fiend
Member
I saw this in another thread, to... I'd wager the most humiliating tag possible, that those architecture in the KZ demo were not being rendered in real time; there's definitely a catch in what's begin shown, maybe a very intelligent design technique + high fidelity graphics*, but definitely not regular rendering of a city at that distance with an HD resolution.Yeah....no.
* What I think it is, if it is rendered in real time, that they have different models of the same game for different sections of the game; that is when you are on a set piece, what's near you have one model and what's in the distant another model.
Codeblew
Member
This is true. I want to see these videos in 1080p download files.
Baconsammy
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I recall distinctly one of the guys playing a game on stage saying he was moving the players view with his finger on the touchpad. This may have been Knack.
Duxxy3
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Kameo.
George Claw M.D.
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I don't know if anyone who fits my description is in this thread, because I don't mentally catalogue usernames of every post I read. Sometimes I'll remember a specific poster, but often times I don't. I can tell you a bunch of people vocally hated on MGS4 despite it being voted GAF's GOTY 2008, twice, but I couldn't cite a specific single name or post without going through the unnecessary effort to do so. Just take it as me referencing something from memory, and not calling any one out in particular.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Not at launch events
Not for me. It wasn't until I saw Oblivion that I thought we were getting a jump.
I still love Kameo though.
Kameo, COD2, Condemned, Resistance and King Kong were all visually well beyond what the PS2 or Xbox could have done. The leap shown by the new Killzone is similar. I think people may be missing the fact that if the launch games look like Killzone, the stuff two or three years down the road will be insane.
People are upset that the jump in detail isn't very pronounced. Somewhere there is some developer who did texture work who is raging, somewhere there is some fan of Sony raging.. but the devil isn't in the details.. it needs to be center stage, it shouldn't ever need to be discussed why/how the graphics are better and in what ways. We shouldn't need comparison screen shots.
All of that indicates there is, a tangible concern that the games shown today really don't look mind boggling better than whats possible already. Sure they are better, I don't think anyone is denying that. Its just, ... its your chance to show off your new console and thats all you got?
To be honest, I'm starting to suspect MS is going to do the same and ultimately what this next gen is going to be remembered most for isn't the games, or graphic leaps therein but the advancement of features, social media, digital consumption and all sorts of other non gaming related "stuff". People making arguments against todays PS4 graphics have justifiable reasoning to do so.
Many people expect more. If that bothers developers, or if that bothers other people.. tough luck. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.
Yes, yes, and more yes. This poster has it on the money. You may even hear those words a lot
PS3 games:
Honestly these still blow my mind. There's just not that much farther to go.
I was very impressed with some of the PS4 footage though. I would be fine if it were the last console, I just don't care if games look better after this.
I love these, but you have to remember that they're completely linear on extremely narrow paths and most of what you're seeing is a non-interactive background facade.
You guyses and your eyeses must be jacked in for some serious sensory overload, because I'm not feeling the stimulation. The graphics seem great, but even great is only just good enough. I need more feedback, I need more immersion, something. Maybe it's because I grew up playing Atari and c64 games.
Or is it more the people freaking about these graphics are the same who would freak out over super clear retina screens on the phones or something?
It's like, one can't "save" the other, graphics and gameplay are still an unmarried couple. Awesome visuals? I'm still waiting to be let down. I'm still expecting to be let down. So it hurts less when it happens.
Or is it more the people freaking about these graphics are the same who would freak out over super clear retina screens on the phones or something?
It's like, one can't "save" the other, graphics and gameplay are still an unmarried couple. Awesome visuals? I'm still waiting to be let down. I'm still expecting to be let down. So it hurts less when it happens.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Yeah I agree with that completely. I am saying the leap is very similar. This diminishing returns thing just doesn't add up.
Baconsammy
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I noticed a huge leap in graphics. Especially when you watch Watchdogs direct feed footage(the version shown during the show has issues). Granted that's not on a PS4 yet, just on a PC built to run like one.
I agree that the social features are going to be what separates them. Until MS announces anything, Sony stands as the leader. The ability to spectate another person's game and talk to them while they play either via voice or text is awesome.