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PAL Charts - Week 47

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spwolf

Member
Nolan. said:
This is a pal charts thread though.
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you mean UK thread? :D
Because thats only place it is left... right?

In Ireland, Denmark, Netherlands, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Sweden, Finland, LBP has had better sales and better legs than Wii Music... in most of those countries, Wii Music did not chart at all, and if it charted, it dropped off right away.

So only where it increased sales was in UK (from 11th to 8th?) and only where it started good was Australia (2nd place)...

It is very definition of sucess.
 
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Opiate

Member
There are a lot of ridiculous riffs I've seen in internet forums, but I don't think it's been quite some time since I saw one as absurd as the LBP/Wii Music one.

The obvious delight both parties are taking in the suffering of their "enemy" is bizarre. The only defense of this behavior I've seen is that "the other side" had adopted sarcistic mannerisms, so they're simply returning the favor. Which is a nicer way of putting that old puerile adage: "He started it."
 
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spwolf

Member
p.s. LBP pack launched in many countries, and in some - like France, it is actuall packaged product inside PS3 as an bundle, and it wont counted under these charts. In other countries like Germany and UK, they give out copy of LBP together with standard PS3 as "pack" and in that case they are counted in charts.
 
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sensi97

Member
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Germany :
Week 47, 2008

01 (__) [PS3] Need For Speed: Undercover (Electronic Arts)
02 (__) [PS3] Tomb Raider: Underworld (Eidos)
03 (02) [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo)
04 (04) [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
05 (__) [360] Need For Speed: Undercover (Electronic Arts)
06 (__) [PS2] Need For Speed: Undercover (Electronic Arts)
07 (__) [PS2] Singstar: Abba (Sony Computer Ent.)
08 (01) [PS3] Call Of Duty: World At War (Activision Blizzard)
09 (07) [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
10 (08) [NDS] Dr. Kawashima’s Brain Training (Nintendo)
 
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Doc Evils

Member
sensi97 said:
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Germany :
Week 47, 2008

01 (__) [PS3] Need For Speed: Undercover (Electronic Arts)
02 (__) [PS3] Tomb Raider: Underworld (Eidos)
03 (02) [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo)
04 (04) [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
05 (__) [360] Need For Speed: Undercover (Electronic Arts)
06 (__) [PS2] Need For Speed: Undercover (Electronic Arts)
07 (__) [PS2] Singstar: Abba (Sony Computer Ent.)
08 (01) [PS3] Call Of Duty: World At War (Activision Blizzard)
09 (07) [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
10 (08) [NDS] Dr. Kawashima’s Brain Training (Nintendo)
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Exclusive DLC and demo doing wonders for the 360 version of Tomb Raider.

Germany has no love for LBP?
 
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gtj1092

Member
sensi97 said:
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Germany :
Week 47, 2008

01 (__) [PS3] Need For Speed: Undercover (Electronic Arts)
02 (__) [PS3] Tomb Raider: Underworld (Eidos)
03 (02) [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo)
04 (04) [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
05 (__) [360] Need For Speed: Undercover (Electronic Arts)
06 (__) [PS2] Need For Speed: Undercover (Electronic Arts)
07 (__) [PS2] Singstar: Abba (Sony Computer Ent.)
08 (01) [PS3] Call Of Duty: World At War (Activision Blizzard)
09 (07) [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
10 (08) [NDS] Dr. Kawashima’s Brain Training (Nintendo)
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Didn't MS say they lead in Germany? And are crushing throughout Europe.
 
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Psychotext

Member
Doc Evils said:
Germany has no love for LBP?
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Quite a lot of love actually... 1st on launch, then 5th, but obviously gone now. The first two weeks were its best performance in any country (in terms of charts).
 
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skulpt

Member
Bundled games should never be a part of unit sales like this. My guess is I know why MS has the highest attachment rate in the industry as well. If bundled games = games sold like this, that will be included in the high MS attachment rate. It seems like you can't buy a 360 without starting out with at least 2 games. Heck, 5 games for the Arcade and Core. ;)

Great looking week for the 360 though regardless. Not bad for the PS3 at all either.
 
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BishopLamont

Banned
gtj1092 said:
So people bought a console with no games?
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1 week of increased hardware sales is only a small piece of a much larger pie.

Sho_Nuff82 said:
Isn't the 360 bundled with several of its best games in Germany? There's also the small problem of Gears 2 being completely banned there.
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WTF? That shit ain't cool.
 
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BishopLamont

Banned
spwolf said:
when did 360 have better software sales in germany?
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Never? My answer is the same as Hellraizer's answer, If you're confused by what I'm saying.

Formatted:

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Italy
Week 46, 2008

01 (02) PS2 PES 2009 (Konami)
02 (__) PS3 Call Of Duty: World At War (Activision Blizzard)
03 (__) 360 Call Of Duty: World At War (Activision Blizzard)
04 (__) 360 Gears Of War 2 (Microsoft)
05 (01) PS3 PES 2009 (Konami)
06 (07) WII Wii Fit (Nintendo)
07 (08) WII Mario Kart (Nintendo)
08 (03) PS2 FIFA 09 (Electronic Arts)
09 (__) PSP PES 2009 (Konami)
10 (__) PS3 Little Big Planet (SCEE)
11 (10) WII Wii Play (Nintendo)
12 (09) DS Brain Training (Nintendo)
13 (05) 360 PES 2009 (Konami)
14 (__) PS2 Crash: Il Dominio Sui Mutanti (Vivendi Universal Games)
15 (__) PS3 Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm (Atari)
 
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gtj1092

Member
Hellraizer said:
No it means the PS3 userbase is still bigger than the 360 userbase.

Well it's not banned, technically it just doesn't exist for Germans. ;)
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Im pretty sure the PR stated that they were ahead in Germany LTD now.
 
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sensi97

Member
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Norway :
Week 46, 2008 - All Formatshttp://www.vg.no/spill/topp20konsoll.hbs?liste=2&uke=48&aar=2008

Consoles
01 (__) Call Of Duty: World at War (Activision)
02 (02) FIFA 09 (Electronic Arts)
03 (__) Singstar Abba (Sony)
04 (01) Gears of War 2 (Microsoft)
05 (03) LittleBigPlanet (Sony)
06 (04) Fallout 3 (Bethesda Softworks)
07 (__) Mirror's Edge (Electronic Arts)
08 (08) Quantum of Solace: The Game (Activision)
09 (06) Lego Batman: The Videogame (Warner Brothers Interactive)
10 (05) Far Cry 2 (Ubisoft)
11 (__) Shaun White Snowboarding (Ubisoft)
12 (09) Crash Bandicoot: Mind over Mutant (Activision)
13 (07) Saint Rows 2 (THQ)
14 (10) Fable 2 (Microsoft)
15 (11) Midnight Club: Los Angeles (Rockstar Games)
16 (12) Guitar Hero 3: Legends of Rock (Activision)
17 (18) Wii Fit (Nintendo)
18 (15) Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
19 (13) Guitar Hero: Aerosmith (Activision)
20 (16) Grand Theft Auto IV (Nintendo)
Handhelds
01 (01) Littlest Pet Shop (Electronic Arts)
02 (04) New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
03 (02) Crash Bandicoot: Mind over Mutant (Activision)
04 (05) Lego Batman: The Videogame (Warner Brothers Interactive)
05 (03) FIFA 09 (Electronic Arts)
06 (10) Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures (Lucasarts)
07 (07) Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
08 (08) High School Musical 3: Senior Year (Disney Interactive)
09 (__) Nintendogs (Nintendo)
10 (06) Pokémon Diamond/Pearl (Nintendo)
 
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Psychotext

Member
Might as well post this here... anyone able to help fill in the blanks?

LBP Chart Positions
Code: 
		wk45	wk46	wk47	wk48	| October
USA		N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	| 08th

Denmark		04th	11th	17th	?	| N/A
Finland		09th (45 & 46)	DNC (47 & 48)	| N/A		(Top 10 only)
France		07th	09th	?	?	| N/A 
Germany		01st	05th	DNC	?	| N/A		(Top 10 only)
Netherlands	04th	05th	DNC	DNC	| N/A		(Top 10 only)
Norway		03rd	05th	06th	?	| N/A
Ireland		09th	14th	19th	DNC	| N/A		(Top 20 only)
Italy		04th	10th	?	?	| N/A		
Spain		?	DNC	?	?	| N/A		(Top 10 only)
Sweden		02nd	08th	DNC	DNC	| N/A		(Top 20 only)
UK		02nd	12th	19th	28th	| N/A

Australia	08th	DNC	DNC	DNC	| N/A		(Top 10 only)
New Zealand	?	08th	DNC	DNC	| N/A 		(Top 10 only)

Japan		03rd	10th	22nd	DNC	| N/A
 
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Raist

Banned
Psychotext said:
Might as well post this here... anyone able to help fill in the blanks?

LBP Chart Positions
Code: 
		wk45	wk46	wk47	| October
USA		N/A	N/A	N/A	| 08th

Denmark		04th	11th	17th	| N/A
Finland		09th (45 & 46)	?	| N/A
France		07th	?	?	| N/A 
Germany		01st	05th	DNC	| N/A		(Top 10 only)
Netherlands	04th	?	DNC	| N/A		(Top 10 only)
Norway		03rd	05th	?	| N/A
Ireland		09th	14th	19th	| N/A
Italy		?	10th	?	| N/A		
Spain		?	DNC	?	| N/A		(Top 10 only)
Sweden		02nd	08th	?	| N/A
UK		02nd	12th	19th	| N/A

Australia	08th	DNC	?	| N/A		(Top 10 only)
New Zealand	?	?	?	| N/A

Japan		03rd	10th	22nd	| N/A
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5th in dutch charts for week 46
8th in NZ charts for week 46 (dunno for week 45, but it was better than that)
4th in Italy for week 45
 
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gtj1092

Member
Hellraizer said:
LTD? I thought they were ahead in the couple weeks after the price drop.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=341734&highlight=Microsoft+germany

Found it and it was over three weeks ago. Surely people don't buy a console and sit on it without buying games for so long especially since they manage to purchase them for a console as expensive as a Ps3 is in Europe. If MS would of said they were outselling them for the past couple weeks I could understand the lack of 360 software in the chart but if 360 is really ahead LTD the german chart really doesn't make sense.
 
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Dash Kappei

Not actually that important
Can't really turn the TV on without getting caught by the LBP "my own level-fiancee" and "my own level-fido" ads (the latter is hilariuos!) or the longer version with the bundle mentioned at the end (€399 for a PS3+LBP).

On the other end, I've never even seen ONE WiiMusic ad, though there are demo spots over few electronics-centered malls (MediaWorld and Euronics)... and I did catch a little kid happily playing the thing, folks shopping around didn't seem interested in the slightest though.

I wanted to have a go at it, didn't try the "game" yet, but I have to admit I was to embarassed to do it in public -_-

Btw, talkin' about Italy.
 
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Weisheit

Junior Member
Don't think I've ever seen Swiss numbers posted in these threads...


Q3 2008:

SwissQ308.jpg


Q3 2008:

Hardware Units:

NDS: 36,344
Wii: 20,236
PSP: 17,089
PS3: 14,942
360: 6,911
PS2: 6,096

Software Units:

NDS: 191,207
PC: 188,685
PS2: 118,947
Wii: 106,245
PS3: 103,016
PSP: 83,303
360: 58,155

2008 YTD:

Hardware Units:

NDS: 103,902
Wii: 62,549
PS3: 50,980
PSP: 46,435
PS2: 20,854
360: 19,075

Software Units:

NDS: 527,881
PC: 526,112
PS2: 404,451
PS3: 312,072
Wii: 309,929
PSP: 239,640
360: 181,539
 
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gtj1092

Member
Weisheit said:
Don't think I've ever seen Swiss numbers posted in these threads...


Q3 2008:

SwissQ308.jpg


Q3 2008:

Hardware Units:

NDS: 36,344
Wii: 20,236
PSP: 17,089
PS3: 14,942
360: 6,911
PS2: 6,096

Software Units:

NDS: 191,207
PC: 188,685
PS2: 118,947
Wii: 106,245
PS3: 103,016
PSP: 83,303
360: 58,155

2008 YTD:

Hardware Units:

NDS: 103,902
Wii: 62,549
PS3: 50,980
PSP: 46,435
PS2: 20,854
360: 19,075

Software Units:

NDS: 527,881
PC: 526,112
PS2: 404,451
PS3: 312,072
Wii: 309,929
PSP: 239,640
360: 181,539
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Thanks for the numbers.
 
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spwolf

Member
Weisheit said:
Don't think I've ever seen Swiss numbers posted in these threads...


Q3 2008:

SwissQ308.jpg


Q3 2008:

Wii: 106,245
PS3: 103,016
PSP: 83,303

Software Units: YTD

PS3: 312,072
Wii: 309,929
PSP: 239,640
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Was there ever an better example on how useless the charts positions are?

There is 1 PSP unit in fucking Top 30, yet PSP software sales are only 20% less than Wii and PS3 thta are chart leaders.

Not swinging this anyway, just saying that hard number are da shit, and everything else is wishful thinking.
 
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Moonstone

Member
BishopLamont said:
They said hardware sales more then the PS3 in Germany, that doesn't mean software sales will show it straight away.
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They just said sales, so that the press thinks they were referring to total sales, but it was obviously meant monthly sales (for the month directly after the price cut). Just public relations. In the german software charts the ps3 was alway stronger than the 360. Even when the total installbase of the 360 was bigger than the ps3's. When DMC4 was released, the normal and the collectors edition charted both higher than the normal 360 version. At that point both consoles had a compareble install base.

But with the recent price cut that may change, a lot of people buy a 360 now, even if they would like to have a ps3 more, but it's that huge price difference. The first MS price cut this year had nearly no impact here.
 
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Psychotext

Member
Those Swiss numbers give an interesting sense of scale... their 2008 YTD figures are about 2-3 weeks worth of sales in Japan.

Thanks for the info. :)
 
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gtj1092

Member
Moonstone said:
They just said sales, so that the press thinks they were referring to total sales, but it was obviously meant monthly sales (for the month directly after the price cut). Just public relations. In the german software charts the ps3 was alway stronger than the 360. Even when the total installbase of the 360 was bigger than the ps3's. When DMC4 was released, the normal and the collectors edition charted both higher than the normal 360 version. At that point both consoles had a compareble install base.

But with the recent price cut that may change, a lot of people buy a 360 now, even if they would like to have a ps3 more, but it's that huge price difference. The first MS price cut this year had nearly no impact here.
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No they meant LTD. See my post of above. There was a press release to trumpet them passing Ps3 in Germany.
 
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°°ToMmY°°

Member
Psychotext said:
Those Swiss numbers give an interesting sense of scale... their 2008 YTD figures are about 2-3 weeks worth of sales in Japan.

Thanks for the info. :)
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i live in northern italy and i've been to switzerland recently, looking at prices of videogames and consoles no wonder why they're selling so few of them (i think a not discounted videogame was selling for something like 70/80 euros). even if switz is a rather rich country i think those are really high prices.
 
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Psychotext

Member
gtj1092 said:
No they meant LTD. See my post of above. There was a press release to trumpet them passing Ps3 in Germany.
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That was an interview and quickly translated from German no less. All we have is "overtaken the PS3", it could mean overtaken in sales, LTD, YTD... or any number of PR crap options. :lol

It could possibly be LTD though... because the last stats we had (Up to Jan 2008) were:

Wii - 728,000
360 - 384,000
PS3 - 308,000

There may be more recent, but I haven't seen a post on them.
 
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Kenka

Member
°°ToMmY°° said:
i live in northern italy and i've been to switzerland recently, looking at prices of videogames and consoles no wonder why they're selling so few of them (i think a not discounted videogame was selling for something like 70/80 euros). even if switz is a rather rich country i think those are really high prices.
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Switzerland is a rich country, yes, BUT I live now in Sweden, a country said to be less rich, and I remark everyday that Swedes have a higher purchase power. And by quite a margin.

And a videogame for 80 euros ? 120 CHF ? WTF ???
 
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Moonstone

Member
Yes there was no hardware data for Germany since Januar 2007.

But in may Reeves claimed that the ps3 would overtake the 360 in europe till the end of this year, which didn't/won't happen, but he mentioned several countries where this has been the case. Germany was one of them. To overtake them they would need to sell about 20k more in a month. Pricecut was 5 month later, so the ps3 should have a 100k advantage until the second price cut. And you don't sell 100k 360s in just a month and turn the game.

There were certain rumors in may about the actual numbers which said that the ps3 is at 550.00-580.000 and the 360 under 500k.

But well it could be... but if you check all press releases and informations you won't find information where they explicitly say it. Which means it is not the case.

MS is finally doing good and that's deserved.
 
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spwolf

Member
Psychotext said:
Those Swiss numbers give an interesting sense of scale... their 2008 YTD figures are about 2-3 weeks worth of sales in Japan.

Thanks for the info. :)
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about a month for consoles though... and switzerland is small country actually.
 
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Hammerhai

Member
Sweden

(01) 01 PC World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King
(10) 02 PS2 Singstar Abba
(02) 03 PC Football Manager 2009
(__) 04 360 Guitar Hero: World Tour
(__) 05 PS3 Guitar Hero: World Tour
(05) 06 PC Call of Duty: World at War
(__) 07 PC Left 4 Dead
(03) 08 360 Call of Duty: World at War
(__) 09 Wii Guitar Hero: World Tour
(04) 10 PS3 Call of Duty: World at War
(__) 11 PS3 Need for Speed Undercover
(__) 12 PC The Sims 2 Herrgård & Trädgård: prylpaket
(__) 13 360 Need for Speed Undercover
(__) 14 PS3 Singstar Abba
(06) 15 360 Gears of War 2
(07) 16 360 Mirror's Edge
(__) 17 360 Lips
(__) 18 PS2 Guitar Hero 3: Legends of Rock
(__) 19 PS2 Singstar Svenska hits Schlager
(16) 20 PS2 Lego Batman
 
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Psychotext

Member
spwolf said:
about a month for consoles though... and switzerland is small country actually.
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We can be exact if you like!

2008 YTD - Hardware Units vs 11/10 - 11/16 in Japan:

NDS: 103,902 (1.17 x 1 week sales)
Wii: 62,549 (2.34 x 1 week sales)
PS3: 50,980 (2.92 x 1 week sales)
PSP: 46,435 (1.22 x 1 week sales)
PS2: 20,854 (3.85 x 1 week sales)
360: 19,075 (2.39 x 1 week sales)

NDS combines DSi / DS in Japan in this example.

Population:
Japan: 127.4m
Switzerland: 7.6m

It still doesn't really change what I was talking about in terms of scale because obviously scale involves the country sizes. :p
 
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gtj1092

Member
Psychotext said:
That was an interview and quickly translated from German no less. All we have is "overtaken the PS3", it could mean overtaken in sales, LTD, YTD... or any number of PR crap options. :lol

It could possibly be LTD though... because the last stats we had (Up to Jan 2008) were:

Wii - 728,000
360 - 384,000
PS3 - 308,000

There may be more recent, but I haven't seen a post on them.
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Yeah you are probably right. It could be interpreted either way.
your eyes did not deceive you someone on the internet has admitted to possibly not being right :O
 
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Weisheit

Junior Member
°°ToMmY°° said:
i live in northern italy and i've been to switzerland recently, looking at prices of videogames and consoles no wonder why they're selling so few of them (i think a not discounted videogame was selling for something like 70/80 euros). even if switz is a rather rich country i think those are really high prices.
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New games (Wii, PS3, X360) here usually go for 80~100 CHF, discounted and used games go for 30~80 CHF (at least in the German speaking part).

Psychotext said:
Those Swiss numbers give an interesting sense of scale... their 2008 YTD figures are about 2-3 weeks worth of sales in Japan.

Thanks for the info. :)
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Yeah, we're tiny.
 
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BishopLamont

Banned
Chart positions won't matter in the slightest when it comes to really small markets like Switzerland. Larger markets will show a big advantage for games charting in the top 10 consistently.
 
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Linkified

Member
I'm just wondering if these charts are any solidifying proof that people in Europe tend to play more wii games as its pick up and play and they have more lesiure time. Whereas people like myself from the UK like to play more of a mixture and thats why you tend to see more different games in the top 10 or even the top 40.
 
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Lightning

Banned
BishopLamont said:
Never? My answer is the same as Hellraizer's answer, If you're confused by what I'm saying.

Formatted:

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Italy
Week 46, 2008

01 (02) PS2 PES 2009 (Konami)
02 (__) PS3 Call Of Duty: World At War (Activision Blizzard)
03 (__) 360 Call Of Duty: World At War (Activision Blizzard)
04 (__) 360 Gears Of War 2 (Microsoft)
05 (01) PS3 PES 2009 (Konami)
06 (07) WII Wii Fit (Nintendo)
07 (08) WII Mario Kart (Nintendo)
08 (03) PS2 FIFA 09 (Electronic Arts)
09 (__) PSP PES 2009 (Konami)
10 (__) PS3 Little Big Planet (SCEE)
11 (10) WII Wii Play (Nintendo)
12 (09) DS Brain Training (Nintendo)
13 (05) 360 PES 2009 (Konami)
14 (__) PS2 Crash: Il Dominio Sui Mutanti (Vivendi Universal Games)
15 (__) PS3 Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm (Atari)
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Italy failed LBP.... Disappointing.
 
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spwolf

Member
BishopLamont said:
Chart positions won't matter in the slightest when it comes to really small markets like Switzerland. Larger markets will show a big advantage for games charting in the top 10 consistently.
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not really, what do you based your data on? If we check Italian numbers, where we have concrete data, difference between #1/#2 and #10 is Huge... and difference between 8-15 is minimal... Same goes with Japanese data as well. Top 2-3 games sell 3x-4x if not more from 10th game. There is no huge difference between 6th and 16th game (depends on the week of course).

Didnt we have japanese montly data per platform info which was very similar to what we saw in Swiss?

I think only conclusion when it comes to sales data is that without hard numbers, its all bullshit.
 
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spwolf

Member
Nolan. said:
Yeah noticed that, and motorstorm seems to be more expensive than lbp everywhere.
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no wonder it is #4th on amazon, thats great price... to bad continental europe never gets price reductions like UK... prices here are always the same.
 
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